Has anyone noticed that the S' exhaust does not come straight out the center? take a look at ONLYS4ME's gallery picture. Don't get me wrong, it looks cool, but is it truly functional?

In all the pictures I've seen the S tailpipes look centered in the middle of the car. I've looked but can't find the picture you are referencing. Can you show it or provide a link to it please?

Here we go, I think this should do it. Look closely at the right of the exhaust tips, they both hook a 90 degree turn as they exit the vehicle. Sneaky :mad:

http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/OnlyS@Essen1/EPSN0029.jpg (www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/OnlyS@Essen1/EPSN0029.jpg)

Ahhhh.... okay, now I understand what you are saying!

Unlike the aftermarket exhausts for a classic Mini that run right down the center of the car in a straight line from the engine to the exhaust tip, the new S exhaust seems to take a much longer route. To me, it looks like the muffler (silencer) might be fitted in the same place as a regular MINI, but rather than exit the car on the right rear side like regular MINI's, it is plumbed over to the center of the car where it makes a sharp, 90 degree, turn before finishing with the twin "beer can" tail pipes. (Had to flip OnlySforMe's photo over to get the proper perspective. :))

I think I know the reason for the strange routing. Well, there are two reasons:

1. Styling - they wanted the S to look different

2. Routing - no easy way to get there. If you look at the picture below, I think you'll see the under-boot battery box unique to the S model. The S's battery doesn’t live under the bonnet like with other MINIs (in this way it is more like a classic Mini :) ).

The weird part is that in some of the offical S photos, the car appears to have two large mufflers (silencers) - one on either side of the body - feeding into each of the two exhaust pipes. Can anyone explain that?

What appears to be a second muffler on the S may only be for appearance - symmetry. I hope I'm wrong, but I saw one of the spy shots of a S type rear in winter and only the right rear muffler appeared to have steam comming off of it, and the steel was a little discoloured, rainbowed, whereas the right rear was still dry gleaming steel.

This is not fact, just a guess.

Originally posted by me

The weird part is that in some of the offical S photos, the car appears to have two large mufflers (silencers) - one on either side of the body - feeding into each of the two exhaust pipes. Can anyone explain that?
If you look closely at this image, you'll see what I'm talking about. There appears to be a muffler on either side under the car as with a typical twin exhaust system.

http://www.mini2.com/images/coopers/B_1027-Grey-rear-static.jpg

Isn't the car cool enough without all of these faux add-ons? First we discovered that the lower intake inlet in the bumper appears larger that it really is. Then we see that the gas-cap is not as it seems. Now we find out that the exhaust, does not come truly from the center of the vehicle. :(

Originally posted by Spoolin'
Isn't the car cool enough without all of these faux add-ons? First we discovered that the lower intake inlet in the bumper appears larger that it really is. Then we see that the gas-cap is not as it seems. Now we find out that the exhaust, does not come truly from the center of the vehicle. :(

Bar Humbug;)

As long as the car handles as good as the Cooper I will be happy. I think it looks superb, no complaints at all.

Merry Christmas Ho Ho Ho

LMB;) :D

Sorry, wasn't my intention to bring the room down. Happy Holidays all! :cool:

The Cooper S exhaust does exit via the two centre tailpipes. As the system passes the fuel tank on a Cooper S, it bends towards the rear LH muffler (I think) from here it shoots across the car to the opposite muffler and then eventually routed towards the centre of the rear bumper and turns 90 degrees to the chrome finishers. The Cooper S therefore has 3 mufflers in the system - 1 intermediate just after the manifold joint and two rear muyfflers either side of the battery (which is in the boot/trunk floor).

Originally posted by BruceK

If you look closely at this image, you'll see what I'm talking about. There appears to be a muffler on either side under the car as with a typical twin exhaust system.

http://www.mini2.com/images/coopers/B_1027-Grey-rear-static.jpg

It was this very picture that made me part with my $1000 deposit. The twin mufflers to each side of the rear twin pipes are the biz.

If they're not mufflers what are they ?. I hope the "S" still has some integrity left by the time we all get ours!

Originally posted by Basil


It was this very picture that made me part with my $1000 deposit. The twin mufflers to each side of the rear twin pipes are the biz.

If they're not mufflers what are they ?. I hope the "S" still has some integrity left by the time we all get ours!
As I understand InsiderMINI's explanation, there are 3 mufflers on the Cooper S, but the final two mufflers mounted on each side of the car are NOT separate and equal (like with a V8), instead they are plumbed in sequence so that all the exhaust gases flow through the 1st muffler, then the 2nd muffler, and finally all the exhaust gases flow through the 3rd muffler before exiting the twin exhaust tips.

Look at OnlySforMe's picture below which shows the 90-degree bend the gases must follow before exiting through the twin tips. In this picture the LH side muffler seems to be the 3rd and final one for the Cooper S. It also seems clear that both tips are functional - one is not decorative as was speculated earlier in this thread.
http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/OnlyS@Essen1/EPSN0007.jpg

So... Can anyone explain the setup? The twin tips are to look cool, because the diameter of the feeder pipe is no larger than the tail pipe. Essentially the Cooper S has three smaller cans and the Cooper has one large one.

I suspect that the the three shapes are as follows: A resonator to give the Cooper S it's described more distinctive tone and to engineer the backpressure. Then two sequential low-restriction mufflers for good flow, and between the two of them, adequate noise reduction. There's not really much point in splitting the exhaust in two for an inline engine.

There is another less cool reason of course. A single muffler didn't fit around the battery box. At any rate, it seems like a lot of plumbing to replace when it goes.

I for one don't let these things get me down of course. It seems a wonderful car. I always expected a car that would ellicit such emotion would be something unattainable, like a Porsche or a Ferrari. I'm just so pleased that I'm going to have a Cooper S with only a little financial stretch, that everything else just gets the volume turned down to me. Bring it on in whatever form the designers can dream of. I'm sure we'll all applaude when we first fire one up.

Originally posted by noahe
So... Can anyone explain the setup? The twin tips are to look cool, because the diameter of the feeder pipe is no larger than the tail pipe. Essentially the Cooper S has three smaller cans and the Cooper has one large one.

I suspect that the the three shapes are as follows: A resonator to give the Cooper S it's described more distinctive tone and to engineer the backpressure. Then two sequential low-restriction mufflers for good flow, and between the two of them, adequate noise reduction. There's not really much point in splitting the exhaust in two for an inline engine.

There is another less cool reason of course. A single muffler didn't fit around the battery box. At any rate, it seems like a lot of plumbing to replace when it goes.

I for one don't let these things get me down of course. It seems a wonderful car. I always expected a car that would ellicit such emotion would be something unattainable, like a Porsche or a Ferrari. I'm just so pleased that I'm going to have a Cooper S with only a little financial stretch, that everything else just gets the volume turned down to me. Bring it on in whatever form the designers can dream of. I'm sure we'll all applaude when we first fire one up.

Ahh..... an excellent voice of reason.....yes I was just winging before. Must be the pome in me.....my apologise. Roll on mid 2002.....

And thanks also to BruceK, with the help once again of OnlyS4me picture......

I went out in my mate's Cooper the other day, and it sounded quite meaty inside the cabin (especially at low-speed), when he was parking at low revs and we had the windows open, it sounded even better outside the car, so I can only imagine the Cooper S being better sounding/more distinctive than this, which will be excellent!

Andy

This is all good news. If the exhaust has four restrictors in it, (2 mufflers, 1 resinator, and a catalyst), it should allow the aftermarket some impressive gains in Torque and Horsepower, respectively with a better flowing exhaust set-up. Grrr...Power is a good thing :cool:

Early Ford Mondeo's have a similar exhaust set up to the Cooper S :) :)

This is the way the exhaust is run on a cooper.

The exhaust on the S should be routed basically the same way. I would expect the exhaust to split at the rear and go to 2 independent mufflers that come together in the center at the tips.


http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/simontay//P0003146.jpg

Originally posted by 94SwiftGT
This is the way the exhaust is run on a cooper.

The exhaust on the S should be routed basically the same way. I would expect the exhaust to split at the rear and go to 2 independent mufflers that come together in the center at the tips.


http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/simontay//P0003146.jpg

Blimey, this pulling left problem is a lot more serious than I thought.......

I hate to think what happened a few seconds after this shot was taken.......good grief.

Originally posted by 94SwiftGT
This is the way the exhaust is run on a cooper.

The exhaust on the S should be routed basically the same way. I would expect the exhaust to split at the rear and go to 2 independent mufflers that come together in the center at the tips.


Well, you might expect it that way, but it is clear that's not the way it is on the S. Both exhaust tips are fed from the same muffler if you look at OnlySforMe's photos earlier in this thread. :)

Nice pic, though... Mr. R. Swift I presume?

Quite a feat to show off an exhaust! Congrats! He gets the prize for "most dedication to a MINI2 Forum thread" :D

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Blimey, this pulling left problem is a lot more serious than I thought.......
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Actually, unless I'm mistaken, the car is leaning slightly to the right - Perhaps it has had the mythical suspension mod to correct left-pull carried out by BMW

As a result, I think some fine adjustment of the cup holder yaw angle may also be necessary to achieve optimum driver comfort:eek:

I theorize that by the time the MINI makes it to the US the suspension faults will be all fixed, and then the NASCAR boys will make it pull to the left anyway! :D

Originally posted by rich
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Blimey, this pulling left problem is a lot more serious than I thought.......
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Actually, unless I'm mistaken, the car is leaning slightly to the right - Perhaps it has had the mythical suspension mod to correct left-pull carried out by BMW

As a result, I think some fine adjustment of the cup holder yaw angle may also be necessary to achieve optimum driver comfort:eek:

Actually Rich, having just had another look at the picture, you might be right.... It's definately one approach to fixing this particular problem........;)

Because of the S's battery box location, this type of dual tipped, separate pipe exhaust is not possible except on the ONE or the COOPER. Still, it's very nice to look at....

http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/OnlyS@Essen3/EPSN0058.jpg

Again, thanks to OnlySforMe for another great photo from the Essen show.

Hmmm....,how hard do you think it is to move that battery box?! I saw that picture before. That exhaust is a work of art, very nice! :cool:

Originally posted by Spoolin'
Hmmm....,how hard do you think it is to move that battery box?! I saw that picture before. That exhaust is a work of art, very nice! :cool:

I assume that's some sort of joke.......

It was funnier when it was in my head, I guess. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Spoolin'
It was funnier when it was in my head, I guess. :rolleyes:


Ha ha ha, Sorry Spoolin !!, I couldn't help myself......you know how it is, Once a ****** always a ******.....;)

PS. Was a stupid idea though......... o geez there I go again !!:D