Hi people,


After reading about this 7 bhp gain in the MCS I was wondering if this would be available for people with current MCS's to upgrade to. As I understand it the 7 bhp is achievable by changing the ECU so do you think this would be available from dealers ?

Badboyz

Will have to see - bet there will be a high price to pay knowing Mini even if it is only 7bhp - think you'd gain more than this with an air filter and a miltek exhaust - nice to see the only thing that appears to have changed is the lighting on the exterior of the S

It would be good if we could get it with v38 or rhatever they are up to now :D

It's an ECU upgrade and improved breathing (alont with one other thing I think). It will be interesting to see what can be done. The new 'S' will also (so I've heard) have new gear ratios.

:)

It's an ECU upgrade and improved breathing (alont with one other thing I think). It will be interesting to see what can be done. The new 'S' will also (so I've heard) have new gear ratios.

:)


That would be good if older MCS's can get the upgrade, do you think there would be a charge involved ?

I think its a good idea to lower the gear ratios, imo BMW really missed a trick there. They should lower all ratios and use the 6th gear as a proper part of the ratios and not just a cruising gear.

I imagine BMW would do their best to make it very hard to "upgrade" an older S, but I'm sure it would be "possible".

I imagine BMW would do their best to make it very hard to "upgrade" an older S, but I'm sure it would be "possible".
Will the Works be 207bhp then?

I dont see why it wouldnt work like that - especially if its only a chip/ECU upgrade. Should be no different to the aftermarket upgrades. :D

Will the Works be 207bhp then?

Thats a good question - you would assume that because the base power is higher, the Works kit will be too - but as the base upgrade is only a ecu upper, it may not effect the upgrade John Cooper do - interesting to see other opinions on this?

Thats a good question - you would assume that because the base power is higher, the Works kit will be too - but as the base upgrade is only a ecu upper, it may not effect the upgrade John Cooper do - interesting to see other opinions on this?


If JCW kit does not bump its HP/TQ figures, I think it will be harder for people (at least for me) to justify spending ~$6,000 for an additional 30 horses (don't know TQ numbers).

Just a thought.

I have just placed an order for a new MCS with JCW kit !! I asked the exact same question. The sales chap seems to think that the works kit will still be 200 bhp as that is what the soft ware dictates apparently. However maybe it is time for JCW to adapt it to allow for the standard increase 7bhp and perhaps 210 may be a nice round figure ??

looking at Sept delivery------ looking forward to it!

dos 7bhp really make that much of a difference?

for a normal driver, NOT AT ALL.

Yep, JCW have just lost 20% of the gain you get when you upgrade, hence the pack is 20% less attractive possibly? ;)

I think JCW must keep the gap to make the kit attractive.........

It seems that the 05 has an different supercharger and revised exhaust system.

quote: "The Mini cooper S has a 5th generation supercharger..."

http://www.mini.com/COM/en/themini/model_refreshing/index.jsp

It seems that the 05 has an different supercharger and revised exhaust system.

quote: "The Mini cooper S has a 5th generation supercharger..."

http://www.mini.com/COM/en/themini/model_refreshing/index.jsp
The current Eaton is a 5th generation supercharger.

The current Eaton is a 5th generation supercharger.

OK, so what's the 'uprated' bit about?

and

Have they altered the exhaust manifold/system?

from the MINI site: ..."and particularly the MINI Cooper S with its next-generation supercharger, revised exhaust system, increase power, and torque..."

Dang I kinda want to wait for the 05s now...I'm torn! But waiting for an 05 means waiting extra 2 months and paying a price hike. I'm really curious about that "new" supercharger though...can't wait to see how different it is.

It seems that the power increase is due to more than just an ECU re-map.

There is an actual change of hardware involved.

The shorter gear ratios should also improve acceleration.

Yeah the new ratios is an another point I forgot to mention. Is it a 5 speed or a 6 speed?

6, definitely...........;)

Yes, but! Do they offer an LSD as a factory option? If they did it would make it race legal, if installed as original equipment.

We need to start a letter writing campaign similar to the successful USA rear fog light campaign.

What do you say folks?

Bilbo, there will be a LSD soon.........perhaps in January............;)

Bilbo, there will be a LSD soon.........perhaps in January............;)

Are you being serious?? Crap there is no way to WIN!! :( :( :(
Crap I'm in a hard position since my car is scheduled for production in June...so basically if I wait one more month and pay however much is the increase I can get the 05 model....but is it worth it? ARGGGGG

Yep, JCW have just lost 20% of the gain you get when you upgrade, hence the pack is 20% less attractive possibly? ;)

I think JCW must keep the gap to make the kit attractive.........

Definately.

Much less of a gain now for the dearest kit package available :confused:

It would surprise me if BMW would step all over JCW like that - surely JCW have to up it to at least 210? :D

Thats a good question - you would assume that because the base power is higher, the Works kit will be too - but as the base upgrade is only a ecu upper, it may not effect the upgrade John Cooper do - interesting to see other opinions on this?
That's true, if this 7hp bump is simply a boost on the supercharger (pulley + ECU) which is the simplest, then that gain won't be seen by adding JCW......which means those of us who have recently purchased it are getting less for our money! :(

I'm hoping that by adding a new intake and exhaust system, I'll be getting something in the region of 176-186bhp outa my 05 M.C.S.

Thats of course if the stuff is gonna work in the new MCS, I'm thinking it will (fingers crossed), I'm gonna wait about 2-3monthes after picking it up to see if any new products become available.

I doubt it u cud jst upgrade.....

As I've jst been told that the new 2005 spec mini will have a different engine.....

Same engine with some modifications (Cooper & Cooper S). The new engines wont arrive for some time.