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Bisch
Nov 7th, 2004, 04:29 PM
Go to: beatmyspeedingticket.com

For $29.00, you will win. Trust me. I just used it in Waltham Dist. court, which is where you will most likely go.
Don't waste your breath with the magestrate...he just wants the money. He will always find you guilty. APPEAL. You must appeal his ruling. Go before the judge.

I cannot tell you how easy it is to beat the "money machine". It is not the ticket cost that will kill you, it is your insurance rates.

Fight it!


.....oh, and don't speed! :D

Aqualung
Nov 7th, 2004, 05:05 PM
Go to: beatmyspeedingticket.com

For $29.00, you will win. Trust me. I just used it in Waltham Dist. court, which is where you will most likely go.
Don't waste your breath with the magestrate...he just wants the money. He will always find you guilty. APPEAL. You must appeal his ruling. Go before the judge.

I cannot tell you how easy it is to beat the "money machine". It is not the ticket cost that will kill you, it is your insurance rates.

Fight it!


.....oh, and don't speed! :D
will do, thanks!

snek
Nov 7th, 2004, 05:47 PM
Go to: beatmyspeedingticket.com

For $29.00, you will win. Trust me. I just used it in Waltham Dist. court, which is where you will most likely go.
Don't waste your breath with the magestrate...he just wants the money. He will always find you guilty. APPEAL. You must appeal his ruling. Go before the judge.

I cannot tell you how easy it is to beat the "money machine". It is not the ticket cost that will kill you, it is your insurance rates.

Fight it!


.....oh, and don't speed! :D

hm...

Do they give you unlimited, personalized advice tailored to your specific case?

Do they give advice specific for your State?

Do they offer to pay back the cost of the ticket if you don't succeed?

Do they have a monthly newsletter?

Do they represent you at state legislative hearings?

hm... I wonder....

BTW, "do not speed" is about as possible as losing weight. Maybe buying a book may help you once, but it does nothing to change a hypocritical system deliberately designed to make money off of average and otherwise law abiding citizens.

jwardell
Nov 8th, 2004, 01:00 PM
Do they offer to pay back the cost of the ticket if you don't succeed?

And the NMA does this??

BTW I got my insurance renewal the other week. Ticket was on there, step went from 9 to 10, insurance went from $1400 to 1600. I called and asked why such the large increase, as one step should only be 7%. Turns out they give an additional 4% for being at step 9. Hah, more hidden gotchas.

snek
Nov 8th, 2004, 01:06 PM
And the NMA does this??



Yes (http://www.motorists.org/join/membership_benefits.html)

Bisch
Nov 8th, 2004, 02:08 PM
.hm...

Do they give you unlimited, personalized advice tailored to your specific case?

Didn't need it.

Do they give advice specific for your State?

Didn't need it.

Do they offer to pay back the cost of the ticket if you don't succeed?

hm. I don't think so...

Do they have a monthly newsletter?

e-mails.

Do they represent you at state legislative hearings?

nope.

hm... I wonder....

BTW, "do not speed" is about as possible as losing weight. I hear you on this one!

Maybe buying a book may help you once, but it does nothing to change a hypocritical system deliberately designed to make money off of average and otherwise law abiding citizens.
True. Has the NMA actually changed any laws?

snek
Nov 8th, 2004, 02:51 PM
Maybe buying a book may help you once, but it does nothing to change a hypocritical system deliberately designed to make money off of average and otherwise law abiding citizens.
True. Has the NMA actually changed any laws?


Yes. Thanks to NMA lobbying, in 1995 the National Maximum Speed Limit was repealed, allowing each state to establish its own speed limits. All the other organizations involved including AAA, the auto manufacturers and oil companies opposed this. While the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) warned in 1995 that raising limits would kill 6400 more people each year, the national fatality rate has dropped to all-time record lows in each subsequent year.

jwardell
Nov 10th, 2004, 02:07 PM
There is a similar thread on NAM (http://northamericanmotoring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32709) that may be of interest.

I found this link on the controversial radartest.com comparing laser jammers (http://www.radartest.com/chart.asp?articleid=8503). The Blinder basically did not work with two models of guns. Snek which Blinder model do you have? Note currently Blinder models are now M20 and M40 x-tremes, no easy way to tell they've been improved over the problems of the M10.

I'm glad I found this stuff this morning, cuz I'd still be interested in getting a system I just wish they were a bit more affordable.

snek
Nov 10th, 2004, 02:31 PM
There is a similar thread on NAM (http://northamericanmotoring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32709) that may be of interest.

I found this link on the controversial radartest.com comparing laser jammers (http://www.radartest.com/chart.asp?articleid=8503). The Blinder basically did not work with two models of guns. Snek which Blinder model do you have? Note currently Blinder models are now M20 and M40 x-tremes, no easy way to tell they've been improved over the problems of the M10.

I'm glad I found this stuff this morning, cuz I'd still be interested in getting a system I just wish they were a bit more affordable.

I bought the original M10-Twin, based on these guys review: (http://www.speedzones.com)
"...all Blinders blanked all speed readings of all laser guns each time in the ninety runs attempted at the various laser guns. The performance of the Laser Blinder should be titled....Blinding Speed!"

jwardell
Nov 10th, 2004, 06:29 PM
Well I've been looking at this stuff all morning, and been kicking myself for not checking up on it earlier and assuming everything was at the $400 level.

Blinder's site specifically lists that the M20 works with the brand that it failed, so if that was even a real problem I can assume it was resolved. The Bel and the Escort systems along with the blinder, in pretty much every review I've read, always work.

Bel saves me in the same way I was able to get their top of the line detector for cheap, they don't price fix. You can find the Bel 905 system for $244. Now we're talkin.

The previous 904 was replaced as they made it interface with their newest detectors, which doesn't matter to me. I have one site that lists it at $150! I have to contact them first to see if it is BS or really still in stock, but it looks like I may have something soon.

Note the Bel and Escort systems also come with a rear jammer, which I think is also important.

mr bones
Nov 19th, 2004, 10:47 PM
For a second time. just this evening i was on 95n in newburyport when a state trooper was positioned high on the shoulder next to the hale street overpass when he lazed the guy in front of me. i was traveling at a very high rate of speed in the right hand lane and again was able to avoid a ticket. my valentine is mounted high on the visor to the right of my rearview. i think ill use it whenever i am able. i had to brake quite a bit but i think ill stick with it. :dark:

snek
Nov 19th, 2004, 11:09 PM
For a second time. just this evening i was on 95n in newburyport when a state trooper was positioned high on the shoulder next to the hale street overpass when he lazed the guy in front of me. i was traveling at a very high rate of speed in the right hand lane and again was able to avoid a ticket. my valentine is mounted high on the visor to the right of my rearview. i think ill use it whenever i am able. i had to brake quite a bit but i think ill stick with it. :dark:

And how bout the $150 jammers? ;)

Cape Cod MINI
Nov 19th, 2004, 11:12 PM
And how bout the $150 jammers? ;)
Ivan, Do the jammers also detect radar/lidar? Seems to me that even if the jammer does its job, when you fly past LE at mach speed they are going to be able to visually determine that you are speeding.

mr bones
Nov 19th, 2004, 11:18 PM
dont know nuthin about no jammers :D

snek
Nov 19th, 2004, 11:24 PM
Ivan, Do the jammers also detect radar/lidar? Seems to me that even if the jammer does its job, when you fly past LE at mach speed they are going to be able to visually determine that you are speeding.

- Radar jammers are illegal.
- Lidar jammers are legal and they do work.
- If the alarm goes off, you're supposed to slow down while the officer is trying to get a reading on you. Not fly past him at mach speed, see? ;) :D

mr bones
Nov 20th, 2004, 12:25 AM
If you eventually do get pulled over there is always the jedi mind trick i heard from a family friend who had a doctorate in psychiatry. ive been pulled over sixteen times in the past ten years. ive received only one ticket and fifteen warnings<no exaggeration.
I'll share it with you:
cop pulls you over:
do not roll down window<make him knock on window.
Do not turn music off<make him instruct you
Do not turn car off or put it in neutral<make him instruct you
do not volunteer liscense or registration<wait until instructed.
when asked if you know the reason for being pulled over<one word answer=no
when asked if you were aware of your speed,<one word answer=no
When asked if you know the posted speed limit<one word answer=no
Answer all question with the shortest possible answer
Prime directive= Make the trooper instruct you at every opportunity and subconciously he will think your a model citizen for allowing him to control you at every opportunity
and issue a warning only.
the one ticket i did get i was traveling at 100 mph route one south at 4 am.
he got to me a mile down the road
i did all that i wrote previously. when asked what i would i do if a deer jumped in front of me? i replied: " i would hit it" he wrote me up for 55+ and i drove away laughing
not rolling the window down is the hardest part.
the first time you do this trick youll drive away laughing too and youll be convinced.
I dont need no stinkin jammer. THIS REALLY WORKS TRY IT AND GET BACK TO ME
with a female trooper expect to be ticketed

:D :dark:

snid
Nov 20th, 2004, 12:34 AM
when asked if you were aware of your speed,<one word answer=no
When asked if you know the posted speed limit<one word answer=no

In my personal opinion, those two answers should be met with you immediately losing you license. I'm not saying that your "trick" won't work, though.

mr bones
Nov 20th, 2004, 12:40 AM
In my personal opinion, those two answers should be met with you immediately losing you license.

Whatever! :D

snek
Nov 20th, 2004, 01:54 AM
If you eventually do get pulled over there is always the jedi mind trick i heard from a family friend who had a doctorate in psychiatry.

Whatever :D

jwardell
Nov 20th, 2004, 04:38 AM
In my personal opinion, those two answers should be met with you immediately losing you license. I'm not saying that your "trick" won't work, though.

What? Of everything he said, those are the two key lines. If you say yes, you WILL, by LAW receive a ticket that you cannot defend in court as you admitted guilty to a crime.

Never admit any numerical speed over the limit.

snid
Nov 20th, 2004, 12:54 PM
What? Of everything he said, those are the two key lines. If you say yes, you WILL, by LAW receive a ticket that you cannot defend in court as you admitted guilty to a crime.

Never admit any numerical speed over the limit.

Isn't there some law about "observe and obey all posted signs"? So, you say you don't know what the posted speed limit is, and you should be signing yourself up for a ticket for that. If I were an officer, and someone admitted that not only did they not know what the speed limit is on the road their on (not aware of their surroundings), but they also admitted that they didn't even know how fast they were going (not in control of their car) - I wouldn't be about to let them off the hook. Not that I've never missed a sign on the road, or looked down at my speedometer and saw it reading higher than I expected.

I've always been honest when I get pulled over by the police (4 times so far). 2 tickets. both greatly reduced in fines and points. Neither has raised my insurance rate.

My best one was in downtown Burlington... I was making a left at an unprotected light. I was in the intersection, the light was changing, it was clear, so I went. A few lights later, I got pulled over. The officer asked if I knew why he pulled me over. I said "excessive speed in a 25mph zone?" as I was going over 30, like everyone else, in a 25. The officer said "well, that too." :) Turns out he just wanted to tell me that I wasn't blocking traffic where I was sitting to make that left, so when the light changed, I should have just stayed put. And no, he didn't give me a ticket for excessive speed.

I just think people should take responsibility for their actions. If you're speeding and you get caught, you should lose. My opinion, and I know not that of many of you.

What does "fighting" a ticket in court (when you know the ticket is legitimate) cost taxpayers for "frivolous" court time? It's got to be non-zero.

snek
Nov 20th, 2004, 01:13 PM
Isn't there some law about "observe and obey all posted signs"? So, you say you don't know what the posted speed limit is, and you should be signing yourself up for a ticket for that. If I were an officer, and someone admitted that not only did they not know what the speed limit is on the road their on (not aware of their surroundings), but they also admitted that they didn't even know how fast they were going (not in control of their car) - I wouldn't be about to let them off the hook. Not that I've never missed a sign on the road, or looked down at my speedometer and saw it reading higher than I expected.

I've always been honest when I get pulled over by the police (4 times so far). 2 tickets. both greatly reduced in fines and points. Neither has raised my insurance rate.

My best one was in downtown Burlington... I was making a left at an unprotected light. I was in the intersection, the light was changing, it was clear, so I went. A few lights later, I got pulled over. The officer asked if I knew why he pulled me over. I said "excessive speed in a 25mph zone?" as I was going over 30, like everyone else, in a 25. The officer said "well, that too." :) Turns out he just wanted to tell me that I wasn't blocking traffic where I was sitting to make that left, so when the light changed, I should have just stayed put. And no, he didn't give me a ticket for excessive speed.

I just think people should take responsibility for their actions. If you're speeding and you get caught, you should lose. My opinion, and I know not that of many of you.

What does "fighting" a ticket in court (when you know the ticket is legitimate) cost taxpayers for "frivolous" court time? It's got to be non-zero.


- If speed limits were set by traffic engineers and not politicians and
- If the politicians and police observed and obeyed all posted signs themselves and
- If you insurance rates didn't go up automatically like they do in MA and
- if the American system of justice didn't provide you with a right to defend yourself when accused of violation a law,
then this would be a great way to punish careless drivers.

Until then, its only about money. And some people don't appreciate getting mugged - even by fellow "taxpayers" - while being lied to that it is for their own safety.

mr bones
Nov 20th, 2004, 01:36 PM
someone admitted that not only did they not know what the speed limit is on the road their on (not aware of their surroundings), but they also admitted that they didn't even know how fast they were going (not in control of their car) - .

Im not sure youre right , and if your honest and look at it objectively i think youll agree
a good driver actually doesnt look at his or her speedometer that frequently actually rather keeping your eyes on the road and troopers know this.
as far as observing all posted signs is concerned i think theyre are a number of situations where you ,the honest driver, doesnt actually know the speed limit,especially at night on unfamilair roads . i think its merely a matter of simply not offering information . i think if you do
" excessive speed in a 25 mph zone" it only increases your chances of getting a ticket from a trooper who might otherwise cut you some slack. sorry snid, to suggest that one is not fully in control of ones car merely because you dont know your given speed at any given time is just a tad hypercritical dont you think? i like to think that i am a responsible driver fully aware of my surroundings and of the penalties for speeding and fully willing to take responsibilities for my actions. i find your lack of faith disturbing :D :dark:

snek
Nov 20th, 2004, 01:46 PM
Im not sure youre right , and if your honest and look at it objectively i think youll agree
a good driver actually doesnt look at his or her speedometer that frequently actually rather keeping your eyes on the road and troopers know this.
as far as observing all posted signs is concerned i think theyre are a number of situations where you ,the honest driver, doesnt actually know the speed limit,especially at night on unfamilair roads . i think its merely a matter of simply not offering information . i think if you do
" doing 30 in a 25 mph zone" it only increases your chances of getting a ticket from a trooper who might otherwise cut you some slack. sorry snid, to suggest that one is not fully in control of ones car merely because you dont know your given speed at any given time is just a tad hypercritical dont you think? i like to think that i am a responsible driver fully aware of the penalties for speeding and fully willing to take responsibilities for my actions. :D :dark:

Speeding tickets account for 98.5% of all tickets, but not one person or agency I've every seen claims that speeding is a cause in anywhere close to 98.5% of all accidents.

So why is speeding so grossly over-represented relative to other traffic offences? Because electronic gadgetry used to enforce unrealistic speed limits provides an easy source of revenue.

LordWinslow
Nov 20th, 2004, 02:28 PM
Im not sure youre right , and if your honest and look at it objectively i think youll agree
a good driver actually doesnt look at his or her speedometer that frequently actually rather keeping your eyes on the road and troopers know this.
as far as observing all posted signs is concerned i think theyre are a number of situations where you ,the honest driver, doesnt actually know the speed limit,especially at night on unfamilair roads . i think its merely a matter of simply not offering information . i think if you do
" excessive speed in a 25 mph zone" it only increases your chances of getting a ticket from a trooper who might otherwise cut you some slack. sorry snid, to suggest that one is not fully in control of ones car merely because you dont know your given speed at any given time is just a tad hypercritical dont you think? i like to think that i am a responsible driver fully aware of my surroundings and of the penalties for speeding and fully willing to take responsibilities for my actions. i find your lack of faith disturbing :D :dark:

I think you missed Snid's point all together, he wasn't saying that you are out of control for not knowing your speed. The point I think he is trying to make is if you are not sure of your speed relative to your surroundings the officer may give you a ticket as he thinks your being reckless and not paying attention to driving. (Before you go on about revinew, I want to point out there are cops out there that do enforce the law not to just generate money but do want to make it safe for others too.) I have got off a number of times due to coming clean with the officer, and he just gives me a verbal warning and we are off on our ways.

The 3 times I did get a ticket in the past 6 years, was due to my stupidity, Once for not paying attention to the speed and I passed into a 40 zone (just came out of a 50, in Littleton, CO), doing 56, cop gave me a ticket with the minimum amount of fine he could. Next was on RT. 2 I was in a pack of cars doing 75 towards 495 (coming from Acton), he pulled me over and was nice about it when I told him I was speeding. I knew it was 55 and I decided to speed, so he knocked it down to 65mph. Last was on 93, I was doing 86 in a 65, I wasn't feeling well (if I would of just been sick on the officer that might of got me off) and I wanted to get home before I got sick all over my car. Came clean again, officer knocked it down to a 75 in a 65, minimum fine and let me on my way. I paid them all, as I was wrong and deserved the tickets. Yes I might of been driving safely and faster than the limit, but I was going faster than the limit. Law says if you speed watch out...if your not prepaired to get caught then don't speed.

Winslow
:eb:

snek
Nov 20th, 2004, 03:31 PM
The 3 times I did get a ticket in the past 6 years, was due to my stupidity, Once for not paying attention to the speed and I passed into a 40 zone (just came out of a 50, in Littleton, CO), doing 56, cop gave me a ticket with the minimum amount of fine he could. Next was on RT. 2 I was in a pack of cars doing 75 towards 495 (coming from Acton), he pulled me over and was nice about it when I told him I was speeding. I knew it was 55 and I decided to speed, so he knocked it down to 65mph. Last was on 93, I was doing 86 in a 65, I wasn't feeling well (if I would of just been sick on the officer that might of got me off) and I wanted to get home before I got sick all over my car. Came clean again, officer knocked it down to a 75 in a 65, minimum fine and let me on my way. I paid them all, as I was wrong and deserved the tickets. Yes I might of been driving safely and faster than the limit, but I was going faster than the limit. Law says if you speed watch out...if your not prepaired to get caught then don't speed.

Winslow
:eb:


Late one night just about two years ago, a very nice police officer was following me around. I know I wasn't speeding, because I watched him behind me the whole time.

Finally he pulled me over. He made me get out of my car, called a tow truck, and ordered me to walk 2 miles home. He said there was nothing he could do - the registry suspended my registration. Next day I paid $150 and got my car back.

Turns out there was nothing wrong with my registration and three month later, the court magistrate dismissed the criminal charges the nice police officer filed against me.

True story.

LordWinslow
Nov 20th, 2004, 03:49 PM
Late one night just about two years ago, a very nice police officer was following me around. I know I wasn't speeding, because I watched him behind me the whole time.

Finally he pulled me over. He made me get out of my car, called a tow truck, and ordered me to walk 2 miles home. He said there was nothing he could do - the registry suspended my registration. Next day I paid $150 and got my car back.

Turns out there was nothing wrong with my registration and three month later, the court magistrate dismissed the criminal charges the nice police officer filed against me.

True story.

So all cops are crooks? Is that your point, they are only out there to generate revenue and **** all over people?

Winslow
:eb:

snek
Nov 20th, 2004, 03:56 PM
So all cops are crooks? Is that your point, they are only out there to generate revenue and **** all over people?

Winslow
:eb:

Not at all, there are good cops and there are bad cops. Just like there are good drivers and there are bad drivers.

I guess the point was the system is rigged: it's not the motorist who drives at 60 when the sign said 55, who is bad. Exceeding an arbitrary speed limit doesn't make you automatically wrong.

snid
Nov 20th, 2004, 06:51 PM
Exceeding an arbitrary speed limit doesn't make you automatically wrong.

I know we are never going to change each other's minds on this issue, but...

huh?

I'm pretty sure the law would prove you wrong on that one, assuming we are equating "wrong" with "law-breaking". Who cares if the rules suck. They're the rules. Who cares if the legal speed limit is set arbitrarily, it's the legal speed limit. Exceed it, and you're breaking the law / wrong.

I've often wanted to put in some O.J. reference in one of my replies to you, but could never come up with the right way to do it.

I'd support you much more, Ivan, if you focused on what NMA has done / is doing to change the rules, instead of what NMA does to help people break the law without all the consequences. No matter how much you dissagree with the law (not the officers, the written law), it is still the law.

And, that's the last I'll write on the issue, to avoid people taking things personally.

snek
Nov 20th, 2004, 07:49 PM
I know we are never going to change each other's minds on this issue, but...

huh?

I'm pretty sure the law would prove you wrong on that one, assuming we are equating "wrong" with "law-breaking". Who cares if the rules suck. They're the rules. Who cares if the legal speed limit is set arbitrarily, it's the legal speed limit. Exceed it, and you're breaking the law / wrong.

I've often wanted to put in some O.J. reference in one of my replies to you, but could never come up with the right way to do it.

I'd support you much more, Ivan, if you focused on what NMA has done / is doing to change the rules, instead of what NMA does to help people break the law without all the consequences. No matter how much you dissagree with the law (not the officers, the written law), it is still the law.

And, that's the last I'll write on the issue, to avoid people taking things personally.

Jason, I'm glad we are discussing the issue without getting personal.

Anywho: NMA does not "help people break the law," NMA encourages people to pursue their constitutional right to a fair trial when accused of violating a law.

Just because it is a law, that doesn't make it "good" or something you can't do anything about. At one point in time, the law of the land was blacks had to sit in the back of a bus.

So who cares if the rules suck? I do.