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asinn · Jan 5th, 2006, 12:59 AM

Hi guys,

anyone here have any good or bad experience with QSZ down at melbourne? thinking of giving them my MCS to dyno tune......

IML337 · Jan 5th, 2006, 01:28 AM

oh right

and what ECU do you have that's custom programmable?

Todd! · Jan 5th, 2006, 01:29 AM

There are plenty of other places to dyno your car!! Why would you send it from Sydney to Melbourne to get it dyno'ed? You are in Sydney still yeah? You have one-click too yeah? Cant you send it back to the manufacturer likeothers on here have?

asinn · Jan 5th, 2006, 02:16 AM

yeah i have the oneclick unit

i was goin to send it off to AMD in UK to get the unit retune...... however..... QSZ told me that they might be coming up to syd next month..... and after my dyno run last month, i found out my car is only making just above 110kw on dyno..... that is horrible.... as i have added, 15%pulley, intake, header, catback exhaust, ignition coil, wire and plugs..... and the oneclick ECU (however the oneclick was tuned in USA and is only for intake and pulley upgrade) .......

thats why i am considering tuning the oneclick on dyno, and at the moment only QSZ can do that in Aus.....

if anyone have any other sugesstion on what should i do.....feel free to drop me a msg.......

IML337 · Jan 5th, 2006, 02:23 AM

keen to know more about this 110kW dyno run before commenting... What kind of dyno? When and where? Can you show us the graph? My car made 121kW on a dyno dynamics dyno in shootout mode with just a pulley and oneclick, though that was high. I don't think your car is actually that bad - I'd be more suspicious of the dyno!

The UK oneclick maps seem quite good for the aus cars, from the few I've been involved with. Unless something is drastically wrong, a re-map is not going to buy you heaps.

Tit · Jan 5th, 2006, 02:35 AM

AndrewH's car dyno'd with 118 at the wheels with NO mods.....I'd be suspicious of the dyno too....

It was also a dyno dynamics in shootout mode....

Todd! · Jan 5th, 2006, 02:35 AM

Maybe try the VGA mod too... anything could help - with specs like that, youa re in the ball park with 110kw at the wheels - probably 10-15 down, but it depends on what time of the day it was tested, ambient air etc.

Tit · Jan 5th, 2006, 02:36 AM

It has been blardy hot lately...that wouldn't help...

asinn · Jan 5th, 2006, 03:44 AM

here is the dyno maps
http://www.mini2.com/forum/engine-drivetrain-tuning/106539-my-mini-one-diesel-mini-cooper-s-only-show-110kw-dyno.html

here is the thing...... the dyno was a 2wheel dyno.... and i think it was suppost to be fore RWD car...... it was elevated and the fan was on the floor, therefore it was only blowing on the bottom of the raditor....... there wasn't much air blowing into the intake and intercooler........

the 1st map was done on the first run..... when the car was quite cool...... the 2nd map was done 30 sec after the 1st run...... it was running very rich...... they guy told me that the ECU was dumping fuel to cool down the engine....

I don't know does the fan issue have anything to do with the lack of power.....

asinn · Jan 5th, 2006, 03:47 AM

ops forgot to say......

i did the dyno run in the morning..... the temp was in the mid 20s....... wasn't that hot at all..... and i added a full tank of Optimax Extreme 100 ron fuel 2days b4 i did the dyno....

enzothemaddog · Jan 5th, 2006, 03:55 AM

110kw with all that stuff?......

I'd be sharpening my knives!

IML337 · Jan 5th, 2006, 03:59 AM

mmm that is low for one of those dynos. your a/f ratio is stuffed, but fixing it is only gonna give you 1 or 2 kw max. My a/f went up to about 12.5 when I installed my oneclick - when stock, they are all that rich

A friend got an UK oneclick ages before me, and his was really rich, so we sent it back to the UK and it came back with a new map that leaned it out a little

With all those mods though, it's possible you could have lost power with them - particularly the exhaust, intake, and headers... especially if the airflow on the dyno was poor/non existant. I would say the lack of a good fan wouldn't have helped.

Moral of the story - DO A DYNO RUN AFTER EACH MOD TO QUANTIFY THE GAINS!

Todd! · Jan 5th, 2006, 04:32 AM

What brand of things do you have?

Todd! · Jan 5th, 2006, 05:06 AM

Are you still using acetone fuel additive!?!

Maybe you have damaged something....

IML337 · Jan 5th, 2006, 05:15 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Todd!

What brand of things do you have?

read this

Quote: Originally Posted by Todd!

Are you still using acetone fuel additive!?!

Maybe you have damaged something....

read this

Todd! · Jan 5th, 2006, 05:24 AM

I found that link

Interesting... all those itemson the car have always seemed *suspect* in adding the power they claim anyway... i'm not surprised.

enzothemaddog · Jan 5th, 2006, 05:40 AM

Ive heard the OBX header is actually quite good for the price. Id say ditch the Plasma booster and change to MTH programming or even a UniChip. Also have someone check for pressure losses for the hoses as you could have a leak somewhere.

Todd! · Jan 5th, 2006, 05:48 AM

Unichip are a bit so so for the price too I hear - they are only going to flash for a standert MINI anyway... I still think the acetone has damaged something... maybe a rebuild is on order?

n00b · Jan 5th, 2006, 06:58 AM

I've done some calling around...that dyno he used is known to be a bit optimistic. Anyway, dyno is nothing but a tuning tool - to help tuning and to show percentage of improvement after bolting in new parts. Ever seen a 77kw at the wheels WRX before? Hell, it left my old GTR for dead.

IML337 · Jan 5th, 2006, 07:03 AM

nah I think poor air flow and some bad mods have lost him a few kw

would be interesting to compare his on road performance to a car like mine or wes's

Jan 5th, 2006, 12:59 AM	#1
asinn MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2004 Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 152 Offline	anyone have any experience with QSZ tunning MCS? Hi guys, anyone here have any good or bad experience with QSZ down at melbourne? thinking of giving them my MCS to dyno tune......

Jan 5th, 2006, 01:29 AM	#3 (permalink)
Todd! Boy who made the wolf cry Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Geelong, Vic, Aus Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 10,450 Offline	There are plenty of other places to dyno your car!! Why would you send it from Sydney to Melbourne to get it dyno'ed? You are in Sydney still yeah? You have one-click too yeah? Cant you send it back to the manufacturer likeothers on here have? PROJECT POLARIS - Die Wiedergeburt eines kultautos

Jan 5th, 2006, 02:35 AM	#7 (permalink)
Todd! Boy who made the wolf cry Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Geelong, Vic, Aus Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 10,450 Offline	Maybe try the VGA mod too... anything could help - with specs like that, youa re in the ball park with 110kw at the wheels - probably 10-15 down, but it depends on what time of the day it was tested, ambient air etc. PROJECT POLARIS - Die Wiedergeburt eines kultautos

Jan 5th, 2006, 04:32 AM	#13 (permalink)
Todd! Boy who made the wolf cry Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Geelong, Vic, Aus Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 10,450 Offline	What brand of things do you have? PROJECT POLARIS - Die Wiedergeburt eines kultautos

Jan 5th, 2006, 05:06 AM	#14 (permalink)
Todd! Boy who made the wolf cry Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Geelong, Vic, Aus Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 10,450 Offline	Are you still using acetone fuel additive!?! Maybe you have damaged something.... PROJECT POLARIS - Die Wiedergeburt eines kultautos

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Jan 5th, 2006, 01:28 AM	#2 (permalink)
IML337 saving the world Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 2,931 Offline	oh right and what ECU do you have that's custom programmable?

Jan 5th, 2006, 02:16 AM	#4 (permalink)
asinn MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2004 Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 152 Offline	yeah i have the oneclick unit i was goin to send it off to AMD in UK to get the unit retune...... however..... QSZ told me that they might be coming up to syd next month..... and after my dyno run last month, i found out my car is only making just above 110kw on dyno..... that is horrible.... as i have added, 15%pulley, intake, header, catback exhaust, ignition coil, wire and plugs..... and the oneclick ECU (however the oneclick was tuned in USA and is only for intake and pulley upgrade) ....... thats why i am considering tuning the oneclick on dyno, and at the moment only QSZ can do that in Aus..... if anyone have any other sugesstion on what should i do.....feel free to drop me a msg.......

Jan 5th, 2006, 02:23 AM	#5 (permalink)
IML337 saving the world Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 2,931 Offline	keen to know more about this 110kW dyno run before commenting... What kind of dyno? When and where? Can you show us the graph? My car made 121kW on a dyno dynamics dyno in shootout mode with just a pulley and oneclick, though that was high. I don't think your car is actually that bad - I'd be more suspicious of the dyno! The UK oneclick maps seem quite good for the aus cars, from the few I've been involved with. Unless something is drastically wrong, a re-map is not going to buy you heaps.

Jan 5th, 2006, 02:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
Tit Still kickin' along Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 06:57 AM Posts: 3,087 Offline	AndrewH's car dyno'd with 118 at the wheels with NO mods.....I'd be suspicious of the dyno too.... It was also a dyno dynamics in shootout mode....

Jan 5th, 2006, 02:36 AM	#8 (permalink)
Tit Still kickin' along Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 06:57 AM Posts: 3,087 Offline	It has been blardy hot lately...that wouldn't help...

Jan 5th, 2006, 03:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
asinn MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2004 Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 152 Offline	here is the dyno maps http://www.mini2.com/forum/engine-drivetrain-tuning/106539-my-mini-one-diesel-mini-cooper-s-only-show-110kw-dyno.html here is the thing...... the dyno was a 2wheel dyno.... and i think it was suppost to be fore RWD car...... it was elevated and the fan was on the floor, therefore it was only blowing on the bottom of the raditor....... there wasn't much air blowing into the intake and intercooler........ the 1st map was done on the first run..... when the car was quite cool...... the 2nd map was done 30 sec after the 1st run...... it was running very rich...... they guy told me that the ECU was dumping fuel to cool down the engine.... I don't know does the fan issue have anything to do with the lack of power.....

Jan 5th, 2006, 03:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
asinn MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2004 Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 152 Offline	ops forgot to say...... i did the dyno run in the morning..... the temp was in the mid 20s....... wasn't that hot at all..... and i added a full tank of Optimax Extreme 100 ron fuel 2days b4 i did the dyno....

Jan 5th, 2006, 03:55 AM	#11 (permalink)
enzothemaddog Un-Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Train Station Toilet Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 2,067 Offline	110kw with all that stuff?...... I'd be sharpening my knives!

Jan 5th, 2006, 03:59 AM	#12 (permalink)
IML337 saving the world Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 2,931 Offline	mmm that is low for one of those dynos. your a/f ratio is stuffed, but fixing it is only gonna give you 1 or 2 kw max. My a/f went up to about 12.5 when I installed my oneclick - when stock, they are all that rich A friend got an UK oneclick ages before me, and his was really rich, so we sent it back to the UK and it came back with a new map that leaned it out a little With all those mods though, it's possible you could have lost power with them - particularly the exhaust, intake, and headers... especially if the airflow on the dyno was poor/non existant. I would say the lack of a good fan wouldn't have helped. Moral of the story - DO A DYNO RUN AFTER EACH MOD TO QUANTIFY THE GAINS!

Jan 5th, 2006, 05:15 AM	#15 (permalink)
IML337 saving the world Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 2,931 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Todd! What brand of things do you have? read this Quote: Originally Posted by Todd! Are you still using acetone fuel additive!?! Maybe you have damaged something.... read this

Jan 5th, 2006, 05:24 AM	#16 (permalink)
Todd! Boy who made the wolf cry Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Geelong, Vic, Aus Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 10,450 Offline	I found that link Interesting... all those itemson the car have always seemed suspect in adding the power they claim anyway... i'm not surprised. PROJECT POLARIS - Die Wiedergeburt eines kultautos

Jan 5th, 2006, 05:40 AM	#17 (permalink)
enzothemaddog Un-Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Train Station Toilet Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 2,067 Offline	Ive heard the OBX header is actually quite good for the price. Id say ditch the Plasma booster and change to MTH programming or even a UniChip. Also have someone check for pressure losses for the hoses as you could have a leak somewhere.

Jan 5th, 2006, 05:48 AM	#18 (permalink)
Todd! Boy who made the wolf cry Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Geelong, Vic, Aus Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 10,450 Offline	Unichip are a bit so so for the price too I hear - they are only going to flash for a standert MINI anyway... I still think the acetone has damaged something... maybe a rebuild is on order? PROJECT POLARIS - Die Wiedergeburt eines kultautos

Jan 5th, 2006, 06:58 AM	#19 (permalink)
n00b Twincharge??? My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2004 Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 2,283 Offline	I've done some calling around...that dyno he used is known to be a bit optimistic. Anyway, dyno is nothing but a tuning tool - to help tuning and to show percentage of improvement after bolting in new parts. Ever seen a 77kw at the wheels WRX before? Hell, it left my old GTR for dead.

Jan 5th, 2006, 07:03 AM	#20 (permalink)
IML337 saving the world Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Local Time: 05:57 AM Posts: 2,931 Offline	nah I think poor air flow and some bad mods have lost him a few kw would be interesting to compare his on road performance to a car like mine or wes's

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