QLD MINI Owners [The Usual Suspects]

[scolburn79]

Quote: Originally Posted by D-MAN (original)

I have had the stock IC, forge IC, GP IC and now the DFIC and I have done data logging with everyone as well as before and after dynos.
I found there are no discernable differences between them.
I tend to base what I post on the internet with facts from data I have collected myself....but in the end people will believe what they want.
However it is people like you that makes me think twice about posting things on forums....

Finally if you think your boyfriend Jan is the only person in the world who can tune a mini you are a bigger moron than I thought

Post your actual logged data and I might start believing. Who else is getting the tuning results of what jan does???? Jan doesn't just tune minis anymore either he's branched out so this means he isn't just fluking it on these cars. For someone that listens to things like Stock IC is best you sure seem to waste alot of money on trying different parts out. What's the point in that. I have found stuff that actually works and that is what I will stick with and if this stuff produces, which is what it does, hell yeah I'm going to promote that product for the guy.

Just go back to your sydney community and blow your stupid remarks up their a$%e. You sydney siders are all the same...

[Putsy]

Quote: Originally Posted by D-MAN (original)

I have had the stock IC, forge IC, GP IC and now the DFIC and I have done data logging with everyone as well as before and after dynos.
I found there are no discernable differences between them.
I tend to base what I post on the internet with facts from data I have collected myself....but in the end people will believe what they want.
However it is people like you that makes me think twice about posting things on forums....

Finally if you think your boyfriend Jan is the only person in the world who can tune a mini you are a bigger moron than I thought

1. You probly wont see mega differences on a dyno with a different intercooler, you will see the difference after running around on a track ect. after a longer period of running time after you get the full effects of heat soak and when a better IC comes into play.

2. The re-set through the cluster IS the same as using a DIS/GT1 (now ISID) system used as dealerships, what do you think the techs do there when they cant get on a mechanie in the workshop? If you look at what the adaption values of a DME befor you clear them there are lots and lots of numbers, then when you clear using the GT1/DIS machine OR through the cluster all you see is zeros. How can this be different then?

After running a Mini only for a few minutes the adaption values change, what people do when they tune a DME is change the base stttings and creat different profiles within the DME.

As I have staited in previous posts, dyno reports are quite unreliable due to so many variables that are in play with them. Jan may not be the only one but he is the most relaiable, knowledgeable and easy to get along with tuner we have access to.

[Minipnut]

Ow because clearly compressed air at 80c and 140c.... Learn Physics .... have the same air density. also i noticed when city driving with the 15% on a stock I/C with all the stop start it bogged down ALOT in the bottom end due to heatsoak, as soon as i got moving again and attained some decent airflow it became perky, now with the much bigger intercooler its perky 24/7

Ow and i will bring the Jam for the Scones!

[n5290066]

Quote: Originally Posted by D-MAN (original)

I have had the stock IC, forge IC, GP IC and now the DFIC and I have done data logging with everyone as well as before and after dynos.
I found there are no discernable differences between them.
I tend to base what I post on the internet with facts from data I have collected myself....but in the end people will believe what they want.
However it is people like you that makes me think twice about posting things on forums....

Finally if you think your boyfriend Jan is the only person in the world who can tune a mini you are a bigger moron than I thought

Everybody calm down. I hope that these post are in jest because you know each other. I have been amused by the difference in opinion but (even though Scoulburn may have started it) the name-calling is not what i want to see. Everyone is entitled to their opinion which is usually formed from experience and expense.

So in order to divert your attention i will say something stupid that should be howled down.

He it is

Well its serve you both right for wasting money on a supercharged MCS.

That ought to do it

[Quickbrick]

I think this can easily be settled with a race!

D-man and Scoulburn bring their cars out for a series of tests to prove who has the goods and who is full of Sh*t. Perhaps some track work; drag strip runs and maybe a dyno session. The winner takes the glory and the looser has both of their hands amputated so they can't make false statements on internet forums ever again.

Let us all know when and where boys

[n5290066]

Good idea. It could be performed in a neutral zone like at Morgan Park. We can make sure that they each have the same fuel and just so that ability doesn't affect the testing. I, the owners and two others should be the ones to put the car through their paces in each test. Gregg and I both have Performance boxes which can measure HP, 0-100 times and back, lap times etc...
Excellent idea.

[Minipnut]

Quote: Originally Posted by n5290066 (original)

Well its serve you both right for wasting money on a supercharged MCS.

Dont be jealous steve

[D-MAN]

Quote: Originally Posted by n5290066 (original)

Everybody calm down. I hope that these post are in jest because you know each other. I have been amused by the difference in opinion but (even though Scoulburn may have started it) the name-calling is not what i want to see. Everyone is entitled to their opinion which is usually formed from experience and expense.

Well said, and I am sorry as I should have kept things civil

But I will make this one last post and then run along

Quote: Originally Posted by Putsy (original)

1. You probly wont see mega differences on a dyno with a different intercooler, you will see the difference after running around on a track ect. after a longer period of running time after you get the full effects of heat soak and when a better IC comes into play.

Yes I agree and I only ever datalogged and monitored temps on the road. As I don't track or race my car I didn't see the need, but there would probably be a difference.

Quote: Originally Posted by Putsy (original)

2. The re-set through the cluster IS the same as using a DIS/GT1 (now ISID) system used as dealerships, what do you think the techs do there when they cant get on a mechanie in the workshop? If you look at what the adaption values of a DME befor you clear them there are lots and lots of numbers, then when you clear using the GT1/DIS machine OR through the cluster all you see is zeros. How can this be different then?

I have been told a couple of times by the guys at the Sydney mini garage that the only way to reset the adaptations is with the factory BMW equipment, not by unhooking the battery or by via the speedo buttons as this does nothing to the ECU.
I had the car in last month and asked a different tech the same question and he just laughed and told me the same thing.
Just repeating what I was told by a "reputable" source and it seems to be the case with my car as reseting the ECU did nothing when I added parts....

Quote: Originally Posted by Putsy (original)

As I have staited in previous posts, dyno reports are quite unreliable due to so many variables that are in play with them. Jan may not be the only one but he is the most relaiable, knowledgeable and easy to get along with tuner we have access to.

I also agree that dynos can be unreliable, and there is no point comparing runs on different dynos. However when the same dyno is used they can be useful at measuring the deltas.

Never said Jan at RMW can't tune a mini the results he gets overseas are impressive and speak for themselves

Quote: Originally Posted by Minipnut (original)

Ow because clearly compressed air at 80c and 140c.... Learn Physics .... have the same air density. also i noticed when city driving with the 15% on a stock I/C with all the stop start it bogged down ALOT in the bottom end due to heatsoak, as soon as i got moving again and attained some decent airflow it became perky, now with the much bigger intercooler its perky 24/7

Thanks for the physics lesson
As I said I have datalogged and monitored temps with the different intercoolers I wasted money on and while there were some differences the stock, performed well enough.
All I said was that you don't need an upgraded intercooler to run a 17% pulley.
All intercoolers will heatsoak and bigger is not always better. The bigger they are the longer it usually takes to recover.

I will now leave you Queenslanders alone and go and hang out with the other evil Sydneysiders

[scolburn79]

Quote: Originally Posted by n5290066 (original)

Everybody calm down. I hope that these post are in jest because you know each other. I have been amused by the difference in opinion but (even though Scoulburn may have started it) the name-calling is not what i want to see. Everyone is entitled to their opinion which is usually formed from experience and expense.

So in order to divert your attention i will say something stupid that should be howled down.

He it is

Well its serve you both right for wasting money on a supercharged MCS.

That ought to do it

I didn't start the name calling.....This was started on another forum a while ago. Look now he is trying to tell a BMW tech how his own machines work. Anyway that's it, i'm over it. As for wasting money on the S/C minis, from what I've heard they seem to leave the turbo ones eating dust

[Putsy]

All im going to say is lets settle this on the track/dyno/where ever else .... I will also bring a BBQ and rum to this evet. who is bringing scones?
Anyway someone one here has a nice little pully on now.... I will let them tell you more.

[07BPB]

Quote: Originally Posted by Putsy (original)

All im going to say is lets settle this on the track/dyno/where ever else .... I will also bring a BBQ and rum to this evet. who is bringing scones?
Anyway someone one here has a nice little pully on now.... I will let them tell you more.

I can bring the sausages and steak for the BBQ. If its a dyno I want to see what I am making Track, Ill watch and do flags

[Minipnut]

Id also like to go for a dyno day to show up the turbo boys its ok 07BPB you can ride shotgun =)

[07BPB]

I reckon I am around maybe 120 hp. . . Thanks for the offer Minipnut, ill bring a bucket, just kidding I got nauseous when I was in my friends HSV after 25 laps of skidpan drifting haha.

[Quickbrick]

Quote: Originally Posted by Minipnut (original)

Id also like to go for a dyno day to show up the turbo boys its ok 07BPB you can ride shotgun =)

I'd be up for a dyno day ... can I bring the Lotus To be honest I would probably bring both cars and see what they pull.

Of course HP figures are a double edged sword. It's nice to have the best figures, but it's nicer to get beaten on the dyno and then beat the same person on the track. So to be fair, we should back up the dyno day with a session at QR or Morgan Park.

It's one thing to have lots of HPs or Torques (as Clarckson would say), but its how (and if) you can get the power to the ground that really counts. After all, isn't that why we try and make our cars put more power out?

I think the R56s will have both bases covered

[07BPB]

Quote: Originally Posted by Quickbrick (original)

I'd be up for a dyno day ... can I bring the Lotus To be honest I would probably bring both cars and see what they pull.

I think the R56s will have both bases covered

R50 for the win

So, who knows of a dyno we can hire out; presuming no one on here actually has their own?