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StuJones · Jul 3rd, 2007, 12:49 PM

OK heres the cold facts for all the dreamers amoung us...

Car wiil be $85k (sorry not ADR or road registerable!!). Franchise will be $30k outright. Fees for eight rounds will be around $45k. Event will definately be pigeon holed onto Carrera Cup taking advantage of the increased TV coverage CupCar purchased this year.

Cars will have a model lifecycle of 5 years (i.e. no change in model) this was one of the CAMS criteria, a long lifecycle for cost effective one make racing. Current expectations is that will cost $130k per year to run a car with event seats going for $15-$20k (not sure who said Carrera Cup was a $20k run, more like $50!!)

Interest to date has been very high, yearly team running costs are similar or less than high level formula ford so a good pool of interested drivers.

Personally dont think I will drive a car but am interested in putting a car in with some solid young talent. Think this could be an even better exposed and covered series than Cup Car if current sponsor interest to go by.

Only time will tell............

brett · Jul 3rd, 2007, 12:57 PM

I'm young, solid ( read fat) and my mum says I'm talented!!! AM I IN????

Blacky · Jul 3rd, 2007, 01:11 PM

Interesting figures, out of my league

$20K per round for a buy a drive, I am no expert but I think that is steep for a mini.
If I had that sort of money, maybe I would look at this;

My105.com :: F430 Challenge For Lease

GOod luck to those who are in

dsakko · Jul 3rd, 2007, 11:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by StuJones (original)

Personally dont think I will drive a car but am interested in putting a car in with some solid young talent. Think this could be an even better exposed and covered series than Cup Car if current sponsor interest to go by.

Only time will tell............

Well I'm putting my hand up first to be the coffee boy for you.

Hell, I'm old (read:30), bald, and at the moment driving a 1990's BMW with woodgrain trim. I think I need a new blanket to keep my knees warm.

I know I can drive the wheels off one (evident by my broken Mini stuck in the yard awaiting a gearbox), but I can't justify grabbing the spotlight of being a driver. I'm keen to be involved, and would love a drive, but that's unlikely to happen.

doona · Jul 8th, 2007, 06:40 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by StuJones (original)

OK heres the cold facts for all the dreamers amoung us...

Car wiil be $85k (sorry not ADR or road registerable!!). Franchise will be $30k outright. Fees for eight rounds will be around $45k. Event will definately be pigeon holed onto Carrera Cup taking advantage of the increased TV coverage CupCar purchased this year.

Cars will have a model lifecycle of 5 years (i.e. no change in model) this was one of the CAMS criteria, a long lifecycle for cost effective one make racing. Current expectations is that will cost $130k per year to run a car with event seats going for $15-$20k (not sure who said Carrera Cup was a $20k run, more like $50!!)

Interest to date has been very high, yearly team running costs are similar or less than high level formula ford so a good pool of interested drivers.

Personally dont think I will drive a car but am interested in putting a car in with some solid young talent. Think this could be an even better exposed and covered series than Cup Car if current sponsor interest to go by.

Only time will tell............

Does not sound that steep when you compare it to Formula Ford.... I know which I would rather watch.

Bring on 2008

Blacky · Jul 9th, 2007, 07:12 AM

From the horses mouth, well from a friend how races in the Carrera Cup series.
An arrive and drive is $30,000 - $40,000.00 per round.
This is from a top 3 finishing team, who I believe has just leased a drive for Sandown @ $35,000.00.

If you put that into perspective I think the minis are a little high.
Each to their own I guess.

Anyhow will be great to watch.

robbo mcs · Jul 9th, 2007, 10:57 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Blacky (original)

From the horses mouth, well from a friend how races in the Carrera Cup series.
An arrive and drive is $30,000 - $40,000.00 per round.
This is from a top 3 finishing team, who I believe has just leased a drive for Sandown @ $35,000.00.

If you put that into perspective I think the minis are a little high.
Each to their own I guess.

Anyhow will be great to watch.

Hi,

Good luck to the people selling a carrera cup arrive and drive seat for that price. The driver must be really something special, either in driver ability or sponsorship potential

If I turned up tomorrow would they sell me the seat for the same price? I don't think so

Average Joe cannot turn up and buy a carrera cup seat for $35k per round, especially for somewhere like sandown.

At $35k per drive that would be $300k for a 9 event carrera cup season

Can you please put me in touch with the top 3 team offering these deals, as I will be joining the line to sign up along with dozens of others bright eyed hopefuls

You may think the minis are priced a little high. I personally think the costs amortised over 5 years are pretty reasonable, including ownership of the car, compared to other comparable series with similar TV exposure. I can assure you if you do the same sums for carrera cup (ie actually owning the car, including maintenence, franchise, entrance costs, transport etc etc) the costs are much, much higher by a frightening order of magnitude

It is worthile remembering that the TV coverage is a major factor, which is probably worth $50k+ in sponsorship to serious contenders.

Ultimately market forces will come into play, and people will decide where they want to spend their money to get best value. The mini series may be a great success or may crash and burn, only time will tell

Either way, I agree it will be fun to watch

Cheers

Robbo

Blacky · Jul 9th, 2007, 12:47 PM

robbo mcs · Jul 9th, 2007, 10:44 PM

Hi,

There is an article in motorsport news today announcing that sydney based "M3 motorsport" has confirmed it will be entering a 4 car team in the mini challenge

Cheers

Robbo

minigolf · Jul 12th, 2007, 12:14 AM

*This post no longer has a purpose as the spam that was before it has been removed*

Cheers Liam

GOGADGET · Jul 12th, 2007, 12:20 AM

Ditto

Guran · Jul 12th, 2007, 01:25 AM

Robbo or Stu - any idea which channel will be broadcasting the MINI Challenge?

StuJones · Jul 13th, 2007, 10:45 AM

From tonights mail here are the hard facts

Entry
Purchase of car $89k ex GST (5yr life)
Teams Agreement. $30k ex GST (once off)
Annula entry fee. $45k ex GST

Estimated Annual
Tyres, Fuel, Staff, Accom, Transport, Airfares, Transfers/Car HIre, Depreciation, Entry Fees
$130-$150k ** not including damage.....

So now is the time to upset potential sponsors.....

minigolf · Jul 13th, 2007, 01:32 PM

I might run two cars I think.

dsakko · Jul 16th, 2007, 12:04 AM

Oh mighty Oracle, what are this Saturday's Lotto numbers......

Blacky · Aug 1st, 2007, 12:11 PM

To bad there going to race R56s

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-111422546.htm

swgn · Aug 1st, 2007, 12:29 PM

Regarding the 4 car "M3 Motorsport" entry , here's a link to the Motorsport News article, Issue #12, page 16

Blacky · Aug 1st, 2007, 12:35 PM

Linky no worky

swgn · Aug 1st, 2007, 12:55 PM

Due to the fact that that was only my second post around here, I'm not yet worthy enough to post *real* links, hence the bum URI. Copy & paste! all fixed now, nothing to see here...

Blacky · Aug 1st, 2007, 11:33 PM

Mmmmmm, that is how I do the links

Cut and Paste
Maybe it does something automatic

Jul 3rd, 2007, 12:49 PM	#41
StuJones my second passion, a tin! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Cronulla, NSW Local Time: 04:42 PM Posts: 733 Offline	OK heres the cold facts for all the dreamers amoung us... Car wiil be $85k (sorry not ADR or road registerable!!). Franchise will be $30k outright. Fees for eight rounds will be around $45k. Event will definately be pigeon holed onto Carrera Cup taking advantage of the increased TV coverage CupCar purchased this year. Cars will have a model lifecycle of 5 years (i.e. no change in model) this was one of the CAMS criteria, a long lifecycle for cost effective one make racing. Current expectations is that will cost $130k per year to run a car with event seats going for $15-$20k (not sure who said Carrera Cup was a $20k run, more like $50!!) Interest to date has been very high, yearly team running costs are similar or less than high level formula ford so a good pool of interested drivers. Personally dont think I will drive a car but am interested in putting a car in with some solid young talent. Think this could be an even better exposed and covered series than Cup Car if current sponsor interest to go by. Only time will tell............ 2002 BRG MCS with more mods than can remember The thieves choice in race cars 2005 BEP MCS stock standard and staying that way

Jul 3rd, 2007, 11:49 PM	#44 (permalink)
dsakko MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Adelaide, S.A. Local Time: 05:12 PM Posts: 734 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by StuJones (original) Personally dont think I will drive a car but am interested in putting a car in with some solid young talent. Think this could be an even better exposed and covered series than Cup Car if current sponsor interest to go by. Only time will tell............ Well I'm putting my hand up first to be the coffee boy for you. Hell, I'm old (read:30), bald, and at the moment driving a 1990's BMW with woodgrain trim. I think I need a new blanket to keep my knees warm. I know I can drive the wheels off one (evident by my broken Mini stuck in the yard awaiting a gearbox), but I can't justify grabbing the spotlight of being a driver. I'm keen to be involved, and would love a drive, but that's unlikely to happen. Feb 02 R50

Jul 9th, 2007, 10:57 AM	#47 (permalink)
robbo mcs Track Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Local Time: 05:42 PM Posts: 2,620 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Blacky (original) From the horses mouth, well from a friend how races in the Carrera Cup series. An arrive and drive is $30,000 - $40,000.00 per round. This is from a top 3 finishing team, who I believe has just leased a drive for Sandown @ $35,000.00. If you put that into perspective I think the minis are a little high. Each to their own I guess. Anyhow will be great to watch. Hi, Good luck to the people selling a carrera cup arrive and drive seat for that price. The driver must be really something special, either in driver ability or sponsorship potential If I turned up tomorrow would they sell me the seat for the same price? I don't think so Average Joe cannot turn up and buy a carrera cup seat for $35k per round, especially for somewhere like sandown. At $35k per drive that would be $300k for a 9 event carrera cup season Can you please put me in touch with the top 3 team offering these deals, as I will be joining the line to sign up along with dozens of others bright eyed hopefuls You may think the minis are priced a little high. I personally think the costs amortised over 5 years are pretty reasonable, including ownership of the car, compared to other comparable series with similar TV exposure. I can assure you if you do the same sums for carrera cup (ie actually owning the car, including maintenence, franchise, entrance costs, transport etc etc) the costs are much, much higher by a frightening order of magnitude It is worthile remembering that the TV coverage is a major factor, which is probably worth $50k+ in sponsorship to serious contenders. Ultimately market forces will come into play, and people will decide where they want to spend their money to get best value. The mini series may be a great success or may crash and burn, only time will tell Either way, I agree it will be fun to watch Cheers Robbo Mods: GO MADDIE and SPARKY!

Jul 9th, 2007, 12:47 PM	#48 (permalink)
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Jul 9th, 2007, 10:44 PM	#49 (permalink)
robbo mcs Track Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Local Time: 05:42 PM Posts: 2,620 Offline	Hi, There is an article in motorsport news today announcing that sydney based "M3 motorsport" has confirmed it will be entering a 4 car team in the mini challenge Cheers Robbo Mods: GO MADDIE and SPARKY!

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Jul 3rd, 2007, 12:57 PM	#42 (permalink)
brett 1st MINI Owner in QLD !!! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St George Local Time: 04:42 PM Posts: 2,391 Offline	I'm young, solid ( read fat) and my mum says I'm talented!!! AM I IN????

Jul 3rd, 2007, 01:11 PM	#43 (permalink)
Blacky MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 05:42 PM Posts: 239 Offline	Interesting figures, out of my league $20K per round for a buy a drive, I am no expert but I think that is steep for a mini. If I had that sort of money, maybe I would look at this; My105.com :: F430 Challenge For Lease GOod luck to those who are in

Jul 8th, 2007, 06:40 AM	#45 (permalink)
doona ......... Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia Local Time: 04:42 PM Posts: 2,802 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by StuJones (original) OK heres the cold facts for all the dreamers amoung us... Car wiil be $85k (sorry not ADR or road registerable!!). Franchise will be $30k outright. Fees for eight rounds will be around $45k. Event will definately be pigeon holed onto Carrera Cup taking advantage of the increased TV coverage CupCar purchased this year. Cars will have a model lifecycle of 5 years (i.e. no change in model) this was one of the CAMS criteria, a long lifecycle for cost effective one make racing. Current expectations is that will cost $130k per year to run a car with event seats going for $15-$20k (not sure who said Carrera Cup was a $20k run, more like $50!!) Interest to date has been very high, yearly team running costs are similar or less than high level formula ford so a good pool of interested drivers. Personally dont think I will drive a car but am interested in putting a car in with some solid young talent. Think this could be an even better exposed and covered series than Cup Car if current sponsor interest to go by. Only time will tell............ Does not sound that steep when you compare it to Formula Ford.... I know which I would rather watch. Bring on 2008

Jul 9th, 2007, 07:12 AM	#46 (permalink)
Blacky MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 05:42 PM Posts: 239 Offline	From the horses mouth, well from a friend how races in the Carrera Cup series. An arrive and drive is $30,000 - $40,000.00 per round. This is from a top 3 finishing team, who I believe has just leased a drive for Sandown @ $35,000.00. If you put that into perspective I think the minis are a little high. Each to their own I guess. Anyhow will be great to watch.

Jul 12th, 2007, 12:14 AM	#50 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 05:42 PM Posts: 13,858 Offline	This post no longer has a purpose as the spam that was before it has been removed Cheers Liam Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

Jul 12th, 2007, 12:20 AM	#51 (permalink)
GOGADGET All Worked Up Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Location: Location Local Time: 05:42 PM Posts: 2,669 Offline	Ditto GETTING ALL RALLYED UP and a little bit sideways

Jul 12th, 2007, 01:25 AM	#52 (permalink)
Guran MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wollongong Local Time: 05:42 PM Posts: 205 Offline	Robbo or Stu - any idea which channel will be broadcasting the MINI Challenge?

Jul 13th, 2007, 10:45 AM	#53 (permalink)
StuJones my second passion, a tin! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Cronulla, NSW Local Time: 04:42 PM Posts: 733 Offline	From tonights mail here are the hard facts Entry Purchase of car $89k ex GST (5yr life) Teams Agreement. $30k ex GST (once off) Annula entry fee. $45k ex GST Estimated Annual Tyres, Fuel, Staff, Accom, Transport, Airfares, Transfers/Car HIre, Depreciation, Entry Fees $130-$150k ** not including damage..... So now is the time to upset potential sponsors..... 2002 BRG MCS with more mods than can remember The thieves choice in race cars 2005 BEP MCS stock standard and staying that way

Jul 13th, 2007, 01:32 PM	#54 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 05:42 PM Posts: 13,858 Offline	I might run two cars I think. Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

Jul 16th, 2007, 12:04 AM	#55 (permalink)
dsakko MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Adelaide, S.A. Local Time: 05:12 PM Posts: 734 Offline	Oh mighty Oracle, what are this Saturday's Lotto numbers...... Feb 02 R50

Aug 1st, 2007, 12:11 PM	#56 (permalink)
Blacky MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 05:42 PM Posts: 239 Offline	To bad there going to race R56s http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-111422546.htm

Aug 1st, 2007, 12:29 PM	#57 (permalink)
swgn MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Local Time: 05:42 PM Posts: 56 Offline	Regarding the 4 car "M3 Motorsport" entry , here's a link to the Motorsport News article, Issue #12, page 16 Last edited by swgn : Oct 12th, 2007 at 05:17 AM. Reason: fixing the url..

Aug 1st, 2007, 12:35 PM	#58 (permalink)
Blacky MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 05:42 PM Posts: 239 Offline	Linky no worky

Aug 1st, 2007, 12:55 PM	#59 (permalink)
swgn MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Local Time: 05:42 PM Posts: 56 Offline	Due to the fact that that was only my second post around here, I'm not yet worthy enough to post real links, hence the bum URI. Copy & paste! all fixed now, nothing to see here... Last edited by swgn : Oct 12th, 2007 at 05:17 AM.

Aug 1st, 2007, 11:33 PM	#60 (permalink)
Blacky MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 05:42 PM Posts: 239 Offline	Mmmmmm, that is how I do the links Cut and Paste Maybe it does something automatic

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