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Old Feb 14th, 2014, 09:49 AM
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2007 Cooper S "Timing Chain Tensioner Defect"

Hi Everyone,

I had some problems with a recent BMW pre-purchase inspection, in case anyone is thinking of getting one they are not worth the money. BMW will cover up any known faults, at least an independant check will give you the truth.

The letter I sent them is below, will post the reply when I get it.

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Please pass this email onto BMW complaints division at head office.
I would like to ask for BMW’s assistance in claiming some compensation for the matter outlined below.

Summary –
• Mini Cooper S Chilli 2007 model R56 – Rego XXX-XXX – Vehicle has only done 38,000 kms
• Purchased second hand privately
• Paid over $550 to BMW Canterbury (where car was bought from) for pre-purchase inspection one month ago
• BMW Canterbury noted a timing chain rattle was result of little low on oil which they topped up
• Purchased car based on report
• Timing chain rattle persisted - asked BMW Sylvania to identify if rattle was something that could be fixed under recall
• BMW Sylvania charged $221+ to confirm rattle was a known issue but not covered by a recall
• Disputed $221+ charge with BMW Sylvania service manager, was told they spent time and this will be charged full stop. BMW Sylvania quoted $980 to re-tension chain without fixing root cause – I declined to proceed with the work

As I am sure you are aware, it seems the chain tensioner is a well-known Mini Cooper S issue.
Timing chain work is a major service and every 30,000kms is obviously a design fault BMW are aware of. Even the cheapest brand cars recommend this type of work every 100,000kms.
I have read BMW in other countries have distributed a service manual on the parts to replace to ensure the root cause of this issue is resolved permanently and performing the work at no cost to the owner.

I have the following concerns -
1. Why did I not receive a competent pre-purchase inspection by BMW Canterbury, this is the same inspection you perform on your own used cars to give owners manufacturer piece of mind before purchasing from your lot.
2. When was BMW Canterbury not forthcoming with what they are well aware of is an expensive and re-occurring issue? (perhaps they are not allowed to due to poor PR for BMW?)
3. Why did Sylvania BMW insist on inspecting the car rather than give me a quotation over the phone as asked to resolve the well-known issue AND THEN charge $221 for confirming what they already knew?
4. Why am I $700+ out of pocket and no progress due to BMW’s service agents inability to be honest with me about well-known issues?
5. Why is a major fault on a $50,000+ purchase price car that will easily destroy an engine at low kms not a recall campaign?
6. Is it true that BMW only pay for parts rather than labour to resolve? - if this is the case from what I have read the part is less than 2% of the cost of the rectification repair which is unacceptable given fault lies with BMW.

The dealers informed me they would not be out of pocket, I would need to pay them and take it up with BMW directly.
I am asking if someone at BMW can please look at my case and at a minimum refund the pre-purchase inspection and charge by BMW Sylvania.

I am then still left with a minimum $980 charge to temporarily tighten the timing chain due to BMW’s faulty design.
I expect many thousands to either fix permanently or to perform the above $980 fix multiple times each 30,000kms as many others have needed to do.

Attached are extracts from a class action document outlining the exact "Timing Chain Tensioner Defect" issues I have experienced –
“The Class Vehicles are uniformly and inherently defective in materials, design, or
workmanship, and prematurely fail under ordinary driving conditions and far in advance of their
expected useful life. The Timing Chain Tensioner Defect exists regardless of the driving conditions
at which the Class Vehicles are driven and regardless of compliance with Defendants' recommended
maintenance schedule.”
“Defendants have sold thousands of Class Vehicles without disclosing to Class
Members the existence of the Timing Chain Tensioner Defect. Where the Timing Chain Tensioner
Defect manifests after 48 months or 50,000 miles, the Defendants contend that the warranty period
has expired and that Class Members bear the cost of the repair, which can be thousands of dollars”
“Defendants have purposefully concealed, and continue to conceal, their knowledge of
the Timing Chain Tensioner Defect so as to be able to take the position with their customers that the
written warranty period "expired" before the defect manifests itself. Despite the safety risk to Class
Vehicle occupants, Defendants failed to disclose material information regarding the defect in an
attempt to avoid the cost of repair and, instead, unfairly shift the cost of repair to Class Member”s
“The Timing Chain Tensioner Defect presents a substantial safety risk because the
defect can cause sudden engine failure and complete loss of vehicle power at any time and without
warning.”
Look forward to hearing from you and your advice in how to move forward to rectify this issue mechanically and financially.
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Old Feb 14th, 2014, 09:50 AM
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BMW response - 2007 Cooper S "Timing Chain Tensioner Defect"

BMW head office finally sent me a response, they said they comply with laws in Australia and therefore will not refund my costs or issue a recall even though they have done so in other countries.

They also will not refund the BMW used car inspection cost even though they covered up the timing chain issue.

With the new Mini Marketing Campaign about to launch I wonder what would be more economical......

A) refund the man's $500 inspection where we missed the major fault
Or
B) see a MINI parked out the front of the highway/mini dealer with the giant words BMW LEMON on the side week after week
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Hi All,

I have have the same issue with my mini cooper chili S 2008, it only runs for 42k, brought it to bmw Rushcutters Bay for inspection and they confirmed it is the timing chain issue, we tried to get them to fix, however, due to out of warranty, they declined to do it at their cost, maybe we should start grouping people to start class action law suit, like the one in USA, or at least set up facebook page to make people aware of this issue.
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All very frustrating and annoying and it happens time and time again, same thing.
However its very poor service if youve had an inspection and they just dont tell you its no good so they arent lumbered with fixing it in the price.
I bet if you trace the previous owner, its highly likely they were told it was going to need doing and thats part of the reason they got rid of it?
I know if my chain starts making noises I will do the whole job myself, engine out strip and repair, seems taking it to a garage is more hassle than its worth.
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Timing Chain Tensioner

There might be more than one Mini parked out the front of BMW with LEMON written on it. The timing chain tensioner on my Mini JCW broke back in November 2013, causing a major breakdown and I'm STILL waiting for it to be fixed. Putting it in the hands of the lawyers now - it's way beyond reasonable.
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If anyone wants this repair done I've replaced countless timing chains and many other things mini

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Quote: Originally Posted by EfficientDynamics (original)
If anyone wants this repair done I've replaced countless timing chains and many other things mini

I'm looking at buying a MCS and it will probably be a 2007 model.

I've changed timing belts on other cars and was thinking that its going to be an eventuality to change the chain and tensioner on an MCS

Is it something that effects all the N14 engines? Or only some? Is there a way to tell if the tensioner has been changed before?
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Quote: Originally Posted by igooba (original)
BMW head office finally sent me a response, they said they comply with laws in Australia and therefore will not refund my costs or issue a recall even though they have done so in other countries.

They also will not refund the BMW used car inspection cost even though they covered up the timing chain issue.

With the new Mini Marketing Campaign about to launch I wonder what would be more economical......

A) refund the man's $500 inspection where we missed the major fault
Or
B) see a MINI parked out the front of the highway/mini dealer with the giant words BMW LEMON on the side week after week

Fairly sure they will gice you two options.

1) remove the car yourself
2) they will have your car removed for you at your cost

To BMW you're nothing, second hand purchases have minimal if any value to them, only to the dealer network.
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Quote: Originally Posted by pipster11 (original)
I'm looking at buying a MCS and it will probably be a 2007 model.

I've changed timing belts on other cars and was thinking that its going to be an eventuality to change the chain and tensioner on an MCS

Is it something that effects all the N14 engines? Or only some? Is there a way to tell if the tensioner has been changed before?

Hey Pipster I'm looking to sell my 07 MCS, interested? Just got timing chain replaced
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it's not that bad a job but you need the engine locking tools and to take a lot of care especially with the crankshaft bolt, the chain sprocket at the crankshaft is on a floating hub piece with no key way if you don't get that chain sprocket and hub together 'true' it will slip, lose valve-timing and bend valves.
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