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swamos · Apr 27th, 2003, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by IML337
it's the EBC pads that were the worst offenders on Audi's when it came to warping OEM discs

Just a word of warning

Thanks Tim, I'll do some more investigation. I've got the things pretty hot in the past, and it hasn't been a problem, but that doesn't mean it won't be a problem in the future

I think it's REALLY important to allow brakes and engines to cool down after a really good workout before you stop.

I also have them on my Lotus, and I got them pretty hot the other day. They seemed to work pretty well on it. I didn't get much of a cool down on it, but then it's got solid discs all round.

robbo mcs · Apr 27th, 2003, 02:36 PM

Hi,

Swamos is correct, most "warping" problems can be avoided by correct cool down procedures.

Actually it is exceedingly rare to truly warp rotors. More commonly it is a build up of pad deposits on the surface of the rotor. The symptoms are the same, a pulsating feeling or "thrumming" noise when applying brakes, often felt through the steering wheel.

Usually these problems occur on cars that are tracked.

To avoid deposits you need to

1)Bed in new pads properly. Go out somewhere with the car with no traffic. Do 10-20 brake applications at approximately 50% of the force of usual track braking, applying the brakes for 3-4 seconds each time.

2) Cool down the brakes properly. On the track this means doing a full cool down lap at coasting speeds with NO brakes applied at all. On shorter tracks I often do extra cooling down out the back. This also allows the engine to cool down.

3) Never apply the handbrake when brakes are hot.

If you do get deposits they can often settle down after a while as the deposits even out.

Robbo

Darryl · Apr 28th, 2003, 08:02 AM

Out of lurk mode....

FWIW I used to get Nick from Peak Performance to do some work on my BMW when I had it. He's pretty knowledgable about the things and does a fair amount of work on various BMW race cars. So if he's recommending a pad it should be ok. Good advice on cooling down after some track use though.

Hey Swamos, you went to Lotus 2003, you would have seen/heard my mates Hyabusa powered PRB. Now that is going to be a fast road car!!

swamos · Apr 28th, 2003, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darryl
Out of lurk mode....

Hey Swamos, you went to Lotus 2003, you would have seen/heard my mates Hyabusa powered PRB. Now that is going to be a fast road car!!

I sure did. What a weapon. I can't remember if it was fastest, but if it wasn't it was like second or something.

If I had that car as a road car my licence would last about 2 minutes!!!

Darryl · Apr 28th, 2003, 06:41 PM

Dave got FTD even though he was having the rev limiter cut in a couple of thousand revs too early.

If anyones interested heres a pic

JugMan · Apr 28th, 2003, 08:13 PM

Hyabusa???

Isn't that a motorbike??

I like those seats too. They have a good blend of sporty comfort

Jug

swamos · Apr 28th, 2003, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JugMan
Hyabusa???

Isn't that a motorbike??

I like those seats too. They have a good blend of sporty comfort

Jug

Yes, that's right, a motorcycle engined 7

Boo · Apr 28th, 2003, 09:12 PM

Where can i get me one of them

What sized engine is it?? and what does it rev to??

JugMan · Apr 28th, 2003, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Boo
Where can i get me one of them

What sized engine is it?? and what does it rev to??

Exactly the questions I want answered

Jug

swamos · Apr 29th, 2003, 05:13 AM

Ok you two, go knock yourselves out....

PRB
Birkin Clubman

Now all you need is 30k+ and a few spanners

Darryl · Apr 29th, 2003, 06:54 AM

um Daves Hyabusa revs to 13000rpm does 0-100km/h in probably 3.6 seconds, because its a bike engine has 6 speed sequencial gearbox with a separate reversing box (flick a lever and its 6 speeds reverse) weights like 430kg, traction control, launch control, Motec ADL dash with data logging etc etc. still has emissions testing before it for rego so you can't get one yet....... Cost - $60-65k all up

Don't get me wrong guys but if your spending $10k on your S for a works kit have you considered leaving it standard and getting a second hand 7?? I paid mid $20k for my PRB and even with a 88kw Toyota engine, on the track I'm doing a 1.08's at Wakefield. On the road 600cc sports bikes aren't a problem either in corners or till about 120km/h from the lights. Add a little carbon fibre and aero screen and they don't look like the old guys cars most associate with the marque.

Something to consider....

Boo · Apr 29th, 2003, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by swamos
Ok you two, go knock yourselves out....

PRB
Birkin Clubman

Now all you need is 30k+ and a few spanners

Don't let me look at that site again, i may be divorced before i get married

How much would you love one of those composites with 200hp

Did you see the PRB for sale on the website??
http://www.prbaustralia.com.au/for_sale.html

Boo · Apr 29th, 2003, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darryl

Don't get me wrong guys but if your spending $10k on your S for a works kit have you considered leaving it standard and getting a second hand 7?? I paid mid $20k for my PRB and even with a 88kw Toyota engine, on the track I'm doing a 1.08's at Wakefield. On the road 600cc sports bikes aren't a problem either in corners or till about 120km/h from the lights. Add a little carbon fibre and aero screen and they don't look like the old guys cars most associate with the marque.

Something to consider....

Ummm, i think you have me considering it now

read this
http://www.prbaustralia.com.au/10%20laps.html

Darryl · Apr 29th, 2003, 09:07 AM

Boo,

That car was actually pushing out more like 240hp.

Sorry about talking about non-mini stuff. We've an Australian se7en forum going if it helps with the divorce papers.

here

Speaking of track time, have you got a cams level 2 licence yet Boo? Its like $80 or so and then you can go to practice days at Eastern Creek for like $80-100 for the day and also do some supersprinting which is far too much fun and better than just doing track days.

Boo · Apr 29th, 2003, 09:18 AM

hah, just struck a deal with Melody...
She gets a baby

and i get a PRB ...

We are car enthusiasts here, no probs talking about other cars

Boo · Apr 29th, 2003, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darryl
Boo,

That car was actually pushing out more like 240hp.

Sorry about talking about non-mini stuff. We've an Australian se7en forum going if it helps with the divorce papers.

here

Speaking of track time, have you got a cams level 2 licence yet Boo? Its like $80 or so and then you can go to practice days at Eastern Creek for like $80-100 for the day and also do some supersprinting which is far too much fun and better than just doing track days.

Yep, i do supersprints and motorkhanas with the BMW Club

When do you track your car and who with??

Darryl · Apr 29th, 2003, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Yep, i do supersprints and motorkhanas with the BMW Club

Excellent, might see you around there soon

after much discussion we've decided we can't cram both kids and the weekly shopping into an S

so looks like we're getting a 325ti (new 6 speed) as its got a slightly bigger boot and is nicely specced standard, goes well too!!

This year we're doing the combined sports car clubs supersprint series with Club Lotus although I've got some upgrades going so haven't done a round yet, Daves taking the Busa out for the next round at Eastern Creek on the 11th May so that should be interesting as its his first outing on a circuit he knows.

Boo · Apr 29th, 2003, 10:01 AM

I was ogling the new 325ti last week, sweet looking car

Another that i was interested in is the new 1 series biimmer which they are making a 200+hp M class version

Should be interesting when it comes out..

But now thanks to you and Swamos, am looking towards buying a PRB towards the end of next year

swamos · Apr 29th, 2003, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Boo
hah, just struck a deal with Melody...
She gets a baby and i get a PRB ...

We are car enthusiasts here, no probs talking about other cars

What will REALLY get you in trouble if you say that it is more fun making the PRB than the baby

One point 2, well the forum moderator has talked way too much about his Lotus in the past, so you're not going to get any argument from me

swamos · Apr 29th, 2003, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Boo
<SNIP>
But now thanks to you and Swamos, am looking towards buying a PRB towards the end of next year

Well, I've heard of performance pressure in the bedroom, but I think this is taking it to a new level

Apr 28th, 2003, 09:12 PM	#28 (permalink)
Boo Sponsor and Widget Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nth Beaches, Sydney Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 1,735 Offline	Where can i get me one of them What sized engine is it?? and what does it rev to?? The original SWORKS

Apr 29th, 2003, 08:50 AM	#32 (permalink)
Boo Sponsor and Widget Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nth Beaches, Sydney Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 1,735 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by swamos Ok you two, go knock yourselves out.... PRB Birkin Clubman Now all you need is 30k+ and a few spanners Don't let me look at that site again, i may be divorced before i get married How much would you love one of those composites with 200hp Did you see the PRB for sale on the website?? http://www.prbaustralia.com.au/for_sale.html The original SWORKS

Apr 29th, 2003, 09:07 AM	#33 (permalink)
Boo Sponsor and Widget Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nth Beaches, Sydney Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 1,735 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Darryl Don't get me wrong guys but if your spending $10k on your S for a works kit have you considered leaving it standard and getting a second hand 7?? I paid mid $20k for my PRB and even with a 88kw Toyota engine, on the track I'm doing a 1.08's at Wakefield. On the road 600cc sports bikes aren't a problem either in corners or till about 120km/h from the lights. Add a little carbon fibre and aero screen and they don't look like the old guys cars most associate with the marque. Something to consider.... Ummm, i think you have me considering it now read this http://www.prbaustralia.com.au/10%20laps.html The original SWORKS

Apr 29th, 2003, 09:18 AM	#35 (permalink)
Boo Sponsor and Widget Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nth Beaches, Sydney Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 1,735 Offline	hah, just struck a deal with Melody... She gets a baby and i get a PRB ... We are car enthusiasts here, no probs talking about other cars The original SWORKS

Apr 29th, 2003, 09:20 AM	#36 (permalink)
Boo Sponsor and Widget Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nth Beaches, Sydney Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 1,735 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Darryl Boo, That car was actually pushing out more like 240hp. Sorry about talking about non-mini stuff. We've an Australian se7en forum going if it helps with the divorce papers. here Speaking of track time, have you got a cams level 2 licence yet Boo? Its like $80 or so and then you can go to practice days at Eastern Creek for like $80-100 for the day and also do some supersprinting which is far too much fun and better than just doing track days. Yep, i do supersprints and motorkhanas with the BMW Club When do you track your car and who with?? The original SWORKS

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Apr 27th, 2003, 10:06 AM	#21
swamos MINI Traitor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 4,985 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by IML337 it's the EBC pads that were the worst offenders on Audi's when it came to warping OEM discs Just a word of warning Thanks Tim, I'll do some more investigation. I've got the things pretty hot in the past, and it hasn't been a problem, but that doesn't mean it won't be a problem in the future I think it's REALLY important to allow brakes and engines to cool down after a really good workout before you stop. I also have them on my Lotus, and I got them pretty hot the other day. They seemed to work pretty well on it. I didn't get much of a cool down on it, but then it's got solid discs all round.

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Apr 27th, 2003, 02:36 PM	#22 (permalink)
robbo mcs Track Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Local Time: 07:15 AM Posts: 2,620 Offline	Hi, Swamos is correct, most "warping" problems can be avoided by correct cool down procedures. Actually it is exceedingly rare to truly warp rotors. More commonly it is a build up of pad deposits on the surface of the rotor. The symptoms are the same, a pulsating feeling or "thrumming" noise when applying brakes, often felt through the steering wheel. Usually these problems occur on cars that are tracked. To avoid deposits you need to 1)Bed in new pads properly. Go out somewhere with the car with no traffic. Do 10-20 brake applications at approximately 50% of the force of usual track braking, applying the brakes for 3-4 seconds each time. 2) Cool down the brakes properly. On the track this means doing a full cool down lap at coasting speeds with NO brakes applied at all. On shorter tracks I often do extra cooling down out the back. This also allows the engine to cool down. 3) Never apply the handbrake when brakes are hot. If you do get deposits they can often settle down after a while as the deposits even out. Robbo

Apr 28th, 2003, 08:02 AM	#23 (permalink)
Darryl MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 245 Offline	Out of lurk mode.... FWIW I used to get Nick from Peak Performance to do some work on my BMW when I had it. He's pretty knowledgable about the things and does a fair amount of work on various BMW race cars. So if he's recommending a pad it should be ok. Good advice on cooling down after some track use though. Hey Swamos, you went to Lotus 2003, you would have seen/heard my mates Hyabusa powered PRB. Now that is going to be a fast road car!!

Apr 28th, 2003, 05:18 PM	#24 (permalink)
swamos MINI Traitor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 4,985 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Darryl Out of lurk mode.... Hey Swamos, you went to Lotus 2003, you would have seen/heard my mates Hyabusa powered PRB. Now that is going to be a fast road car!! I sure did. What a weapon. I can't remember if it was fastest, but if it wasn't it was like second or something. If I had that car as a road car my licence would last about 2 minutes!!!

Apr 28th, 2003, 06:41 PM	#25 (permalink)
Darryl MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 245 Offline	Dave got FTD even though he was having the rev limiter cut in a couple of thousand revs too early. If anyones interested heres a pic

Apr 28th, 2003, 08:13 PM	#26 (permalink)
JugMan MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brisbane - North Side Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 503 Offline	Hyabusa??? Isn't that a motorbike?? I like those seats too. They have a good blend of sporty comfort Jug

Apr 28th, 2003, 08:46 PM	#27 (permalink)
swamos MINI Traitor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 4,985 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by JugMan Hyabusa??? Isn't that a motorbike?? I like those seats too. They have a good blend of sporty comfort Jug Yes, that's right, a motorcycle engined 7

Apr 28th, 2003, 10:03 PM	#29 (permalink)
JugMan MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brisbane - North Side Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 503 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Boo Where can i get me one of them What sized engine is it?? and what does it rev to?? Exactly the questions I want answered Jug

Apr 29th, 2003, 05:13 AM	#30 (permalink)
swamos MINI Traitor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 4,985 Offline	Ok you two, go knock yourselves out.... PRB Birkin Clubman Now all you need is 30k+ and a few spanners

Apr 29th, 2003, 06:54 AM	#31 (permalink)
Darryl MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 245 Offline	um Daves Hyabusa revs to 13000rpm does 0-100km/h in probably 3.6 seconds, because its a bike engine has 6 speed sequencial gearbox with a separate reversing box (flick a lever and its 6 speeds reverse) weights like 430kg, traction control, launch control, Motec ADL dash with data logging etc etc. still has emissions testing before it for rego so you can't get one yet....... Cost - $60-65k all up Don't get me wrong guys but if your spending $10k on your S for a works kit have you considered leaving it standard and getting a second hand 7?? I paid mid $20k for my PRB and even with a 88kw Toyota engine, on the track I'm doing a 1.08's at Wakefield. On the road 600cc sports bikes aren't a problem either in corners or till about 120km/h from the lights. Add a little carbon fibre and aero screen and they don't look like the old guys cars most associate with the marque. Something to consider....

Apr 29th, 2003, 09:07 AM	#34 (permalink)
Darryl MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 245 Offline	Boo, That car was actually pushing out more like 240hp. Sorry about talking about non-mini stuff. We've an Australian se7en forum going if it helps with the divorce papers. here Speaking of track time, have you got a cams level 2 licence yet Boo? Its like $80 or so and then you can go to practice days at Eastern Creek for like $80-100 for the day and also do some supersprinting which is far too much fun and better than just doing track days.

Apr 29th, 2003, 09:34 AM	#37 (permalink)
Darryl MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 245 Offline	Quote: Yep, i do supersprints and motorkhanas with the BMW Club Excellent, might see you around there soon after much discussion we've decided we can't cram both kids and the weekly shopping into an S so looks like we're getting a 325ti (new 6 speed) as its got a slightly bigger boot and is nicely specced standard, goes well too!! This year we're doing the combined sports car clubs supersprint series with Club Lotus although I've got some upgrades going so haven't done a round yet, Daves taking the Busa out for the next round at Eastern Creek on the 11th May so that should be interesting as its his first outing on a circuit he knows.

Apr 29th, 2003, 10:01 AM	#38 (permalink)
Boo Sponsor and Widget Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nth Beaches, Sydney Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 1,735 Offline	I was ogling the new 325ti last week, sweet looking car Another that i was interested in is the new 1 series biimmer which they are making a 200+hp M class version Should be interesting when it comes out.. But now thanks to you and Swamos, am looking towards buying a PRB towards the end of next year The original SWORKS

Apr 29th, 2003, 11:06 AM	#39 (permalink)
swamos MINI Traitor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 4,985 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Boo hah, just struck a deal with Melody... She gets a baby and i get a PRB ... We are car enthusiasts here, no probs talking about other cars What will REALLY get you in trouble if you say that it is more fun making the PRB than the baby One point 2, well the forum moderator has talked way too much about his Lotus in the past, so you're not going to get any argument from me

Apr 29th, 2003, 11:08 AM	#40 (permalink)
swamos MINI Traitor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Local Time: 06:15 AM Posts: 4,985 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Boo <SNIP> But now thanks to you and Swamos, am looking towards buying a PRB towards the end of next year Well, I've heard of performance pressure in the bedroom, but I think this is taking it to a new level

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