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Boo · Apr 24th, 2003, 01:07 PM

That's right kiddie winkles... Got me in two minds now..

Just talked to Nick Peek at Peak Perfomance (after FLiPSiDE's prevocative post elsewhere

)
That is $5000 installed by the way. Includes upgrades to the supercharger and reprogramming the chip. It also includes 2 yr engine warranty..

Oh what to do????

warped · Apr 24th, 2003, 01:14 PM

Being swayed by the dark side of the force Boo?

What I am interested to see is whether there is any substance to the reported comments of John Cooper regarding failure of tuned engines in hot climates ... hence the JCW kit including numerous features to support good cooling & high temp operation ... may be all marketing crap but given the weather in this part of the world I wouldn't want my engine melting

Only time will tell I suppose ...

jasemini · Apr 24th, 2003, 01:46 PM

Is the JCW kit the only one that BMW will endorse? I've heard that the installation of the JCW kit will not affect your original MINI warranty. The Hartge kit at $5K installed is impressive and very tempting but will void the factory warranty.

Go for the JCW kit Boo, you know you want the prestige, and you've been sprouting off about it for so long you couldn't not go through with it, you've conditioned Melody to the tune of $11,000 you can't just let her down by $6,000. Plus I want to see if you can hit the $60K mark on your MINI, with the JCW kit, the race wheels, the new lights and gauges it would be pretty close.

oh to be a semi retired IT mogul.

Cheers

Jase

FLiPSiDE · Apr 24th, 2003, 03:17 PM

well after speakin 2 them yesterday, im sold..

mite not be for a month or so due to warranty nonsense.. but i'll let u'se know if i cant wait any longer and just get it

i think with boo's plate tho.. he cant go back now.. he knows he has 2 get the works kit and my dealer was tellin me it wasnt too far off.. u can do it boo!

Boo · Apr 24th, 2003, 03:22 PM

I'll blow away 60K in a snap, will probably break 70 at this rate... and yes i will still be getting the JCW Kit...
Car 52
Works 11
Suspension 3.5
Wheels and tyres 3
Guages and lights 1.6

Warped, yes it is an interesting statement by Mike Cooper and whether it is hype or not, who knows... I take it you are talking about the Autocar article??

Talking to Peak, they said that the Hartge Kit is not even tuned up to the limit and is well within tolerances thus the 2 year engine warranty.
They have actually had the car for testing nearly as long as JCW apparently...

Boo · Apr 24th, 2003, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FLiPSiDE
well after speakin 2 them yesterday, im sold..

mite not be for a month or so due to warranty nonsense.. but i'll let u'se know if i cant wait any longer and just get it

i think with boo's plate tho.. he cant go back now.. he knows he has 2 get the works kit and my dealer was tellin me it wasnt too far off.. u can do it boo!

My dealer still can't tell me anything concrete... I was down there today with my usual weekly "where is my Kit??" questions

I know they are riding Mini's @rse pretty hard cause they ordered two cars for clients who only wanted them when the kit was available.... and they are on the boat now

so i would say they are revving them up cause they won't want 100K worth of cars sitting on the showroom floor too long

****, i put my deposit down for the kit over 8 months ago.. taking as long as the car did

FLiPSiDE · Apr 24th, 2003, 03:49 PM

ah dont worry u know the wait will be worth it once again

and u get the added thrill of lookin down your nose at my "pff hartge conversion"

hahaha

cityclinic · Apr 24th, 2003, 03:51 PM

11k or 5k ... I could put some nice cooling add ons and upgrade the brakes for that kind of difference on the MCS.

Boo · Apr 24th, 2003, 05:31 PM

Your a crackup FLiPSiDE...

I agree with cityclinic, you can easily plow the money into a lot more things that will compensate for any heat generated.

Talked to Peak about brakes too and i am getting some new pads on the car next week that have a higher heat tolerance. They are 220/set and they said for track and road they will be much better suited than the stock pads.
They also have cross drilled disks but they said try the pads first then do the disks if i need a bit more..
Will keep you posted on that mod

swamos · Apr 24th, 2003, 06:02 PM

I hope you are all aware that for 11k you could strap a JATO on the roof

Boo · Apr 24th, 2003, 06:49 PM

JATO ???

bluesmini · Apr 24th, 2003, 07:08 PM

JATO, I believe that’s Jet Asstied Take Off. as for after market in the US, i'm still waiting to see what Dinan has to offer in June.

swamos · Apr 25th, 2003, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Boo
JATO ???

Why walk when you can fly??

Go to this site and do a search on jato.

Darwin awards site

Boo · Apr 25th, 2003, 06:48 AM

What are you alluding to swamos

Here it is for the sports fans

Jet Assisted Take-Off
1995 Darwin Awards Winner

The Arizona Highway Patrol were mystified when they came upon a pile of smoldering wreckage embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. The metal debris resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it turned out to be the vaporized remains of an automobile. The make of the vehicle was unidentifiable at the scene.

The folks in the lab finally figured out what it was, and pieced together the events that led up to its demise.

It seems that a former Air Force sergeant had somehow got hold of a JATO (Jet Assisted Take-Off) unit. JATO units are solid fuel rockets used to give heavy military transport airplanes an extra push for take-off from short airfields.

Dried desert lakebeds are the location of choice for breaking the world ground vehicle speed record. The sergeant took the JATO unit into the Arizona desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. He attached the JATO unit to his car, jumped in, accelerated to a high speed, and fired off the rocket.

The facts, as best as could be determined, are as follows:

The operator was driving a 1967 Chevy Impala. He ignited the JATO unit approximately 3.9 miles from the crash site. This was established by the location of a prominently scorched and melted strip of asphalt. The vehicle quickly reached a speed of between 250 and 300 mph and continued at that speed, under full power, for an additional 20-25 seconds. The soon-to-be pilot experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog-fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners.

The Chevy remained on the straight highway for approximately 2.6 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied the brakes, completely melting them, blowing the tires, and leaving thick rubber marks on the road surface. The vehicle then became airborne for an additional 1.3 miles, impacted the cliff face at a height of 125 feet, and left a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock.

Most of the driver's remains were not recovered; however, small fragments of bone, teeth, and hair were extracted from the crater, and fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a portion of the steering wheel.

Ironically a still-legible bumper sticker was found, reading
"How do you like my driving? Dial 1-800-EAT-****."

IML337 · Apr 26th, 2003, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Boo
Talked to Peak about brakes too and i am getting some new pads on the car next week that have a higher heat tolerance. They are 220/set and they said for track and road they will be much better suited than the stock pads.
They also have cross drilled disks but they said try the pads first then do the disks if i need a bit more..
Will keep you posted on that mod

we had problems in the Audi circles with people thinking it was OK to put harder pads on OEM discs and the discs were always warping... bear that in mind

disdis · Apr 26th, 2003, 08:39 PM

boo:

which brand of pads r u getting??

pls give us report later on. i m struggling to decide whihc pads to get. seems to me EBC has a lot of marketing going for it. i m leaning towards that...

changing the disc probably wont get much increase of braking power. but on a track, it certainly helps to minimise overheating and mushy pedals.

swamos · Apr 26th, 2003, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by disdis
boo:

which brand of pads r u getting??

pls give us report later on. i m struggling to decide whihc pads to get. seems to me EBC has a lot of marketing going for it. i m leaning towards that...

I've had EBC on for a few months now, and I would have to say I'm happy. A word of warning though, they seem to need a good amount of time to run in, and when cold they don't bite as well as the stock pads. They do generate less dust too

Boo · Apr 27th, 2003, 07:31 AM

I can't remember the brand at this point, Peak Performance recommended them to me if i wanted better braking on the track and said that they still work better than the stock ones on the road...
Will see, i'll let you know.

IML337 · Apr 27th, 2003, 08:14 AM

it's the EBC pads that were the worst offenders on Audi's when it came to warping OEM discs

Just a word of warning

Bk MCS · Apr 27th, 2003, 08:20 AM

Go see Randy at MINI Motorsport and pick up some Fredos. He says they are good.

Apr 24th, 2003, 01:07 PM	#1
Boo Sponsor and Widget Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nth Beaches, Sydney Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 1,752 Offline	Hartge Kit 205hp for $5000 from Peak Performance - AUS That's right kiddie winkles... Got me in two minds now.. Just talked to Nick Peek at Peak Perfomance (after FLiPSiDE's prevocative post elsewhere ) That is $5000 installed by the way. Includes upgrades to the supercharger and reprogramming the chip. It also includes 2 yr engine warranty.. Oh what to do???? The original SWORKS Last edited by swamos : Apr 29th, 2003 at 10:14 AM.

Apr 24th, 2003, 01:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
jasemini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brisbane - Queenslan Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 428 Offline	Is the JCW kit the only one that BMW will endorse? I've heard that the installation of the JCW kit will not affect your original MINI warranty. The Hartge kit at $5K installed is impressive and very tempting but will void the factory warranty. Go for the JCW kit Boo, you know you want the prestige, and you've been sprouting off about it for so long you couldn't not go through with it, you've conditioned Melody to the tune of $11,000 you can't just let her down by $6,000. Plus I want to see if you can hit the $60K mark on your MINI, with the JCW kit, the race wheels, the new lights and gauges it would be pretty close. oh to be a semi retired IT mogul. Cheers Jase 02 MCS gone after 2 years of fun and new friends, and 10 visits to the service dept at Brisbane BMW. You don't know the meaning of practical until you've owned a Camry! (seriously it's not a bad car though )

Apr 24th, 2003, 03:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
Boo Sponsor and Widget Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nth Beaches, Sydney Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 1,752 Offline	I'll blow away 60K in a snap, will probably break 70 at this rate... and yes i will still be getting the JCW Kit... Car 52 Works 11 Suspension 3.5 Wheels and tyres 3 Guages and lights 1.6 Warped, yes it is an interesting statement by Mike Cooper and whether it is hype or not, who knows... I take it you are talking about the Autocar article?? Talking to Peak, they said that the Hartge Kit is not even tuned up to the limit and is well within tolerances thus the 2 year engine warranty. They have actually had the car for testing nearly as long as JCW apparently... The original SWORKS

Apr 24th, 2003, 03:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
Boo Sponsor and Widget Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nth Beaches, Sydney Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 1,752 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by FLiPSiDE well after speakin 2 them yesterday, im sold.. mite not be for a month or so due to warranty nonsense.. but i'll let u'se know if i cant wait any longer and just get it i think with boo's plate tho.. he cant go back now.. he knows he has 2 get the works kit and my dealer was tellin me it wasnt too far off.. u can do it boo! My dealer still can't tell me anything concrete... I was down there today with my usual weekly "where is my Kit??" questions I know they are riding Mini's @rse pretty hard cause they ordered two cars for clients who only wanted them when the kit was available.... and they are on the boat now so i would say they are revving them up cause they won't want 100K worth of cars sitting on the showroom floor too long **, i put my deposit down for the kit over 8 months ago.. taking as long as the car did The original SWORKS**

Apr 24th, 2003, 05:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
Boo Sponsor and Widget Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nth Beaches, Sydney Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 1,752 Offline	Your a crackup FLiPSiDE... I agree with cityclinic, you can easily plow the money into a lot more things that will compensate for any heat generated. Talked to Peak about brakes too and i am getting some new pads on the car next week that have a higher heat tolerance. They are 220/set and they said for track and road they will be much better suited than the stock pads. They also have cross drilled disks but they said try the pads first then do the disks if i need a bit more.. Will keep you posted on that mod The original SWORKS

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Apr 24th, 2003, 01:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
warped JCW No. 1459 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Neutral Bay, Sydney Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 889 Offline	Being swayed by the dark side of the force Boo? What I am interested to see is whether there is any substance to the reported comments of John Cooper regarding failure of tuned engines in hot climates ... hence the JCW kit including numerous features to support good cooling & high temp operation ... may be all marketing crap but given the weather in this part of the world I wouldn't want my engine melting Only time will tell I suppose ...

Apr 24th, 2003, 03:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
FLiPSiDE I am Jacks wasted life Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sydney Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 579 Offline	well after speakin 2 them yesterday, im sold.. mite not be for a month or so due to warranty nonsense.. but i'll let u'se know if i cant wait any longer and just get it i think with boo's plate tho.. he cant go back now.. he knows he has 2 get the works kit and my dealer was tellin me it wasnt too far off.. u can do it boo!

Apr 24th, 2003, 03:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
FLiPSiDE I am Jacks wasted life Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sydney Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 579 Offline	ah dont worry u know the wait will be worth it once again and u get the added thrill of lookin down your nose at my "pff hartge conversion" hahaha

Apr 24th, 2003, 03:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
cityclinic MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2002 Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 1,580 Offline	11k or 5k ... I could put some nice cooling add ons and upgrade the brakes for that kind of difference on the MCS.

Apr 24th, 2003, 06:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
swamos MINI Traitor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 5,538 Offline	I hope you are all aware that for 11k you could strap a JATO on the roof Clubman less....

Apr 24th, 2003, 06:49 PM	#11 (permalink)
Boo Sponsor and Widget Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nth Beaches, Sydney Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 1,752 Offline	JATO ??? The original SWORKS

Apr 24th, 2003, 07:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
bluesmini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: south east Local Time: 04:45 PM Posts: 418 Offline	JATO, I believe that’s Jet Asstied Take Off. as for after market in the US, i'm still waiting to see what Dinan has to offer in June.

Apr 25th, 2003, 03:10 AM	#13 (permalink)
swamos MINI Traitor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 5,538 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Boo JATO ??? Why walk when you can fly?? Go to this site and do a search on jato. Darwin awards site Clubman less....

Apr 25th, 2003, 06:48 AM	#14 (permalink)
Boo Sponsor and Widget Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nth Beaches, Sydney Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 1,752 Offline	What are you alluding to swamos Here it is for the sports fans Jet Assisted Take-Off 1995 Darwin Awards Winner The Arizona Highway Patrol were mystified when they came upon a pile of smoldering wreckage embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. The metal debris resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it turned out to be the vaporized remains of an automobile. The make of the vehicle was unidentifiable at the scene. The folks in the lab finally figured out what it was, and pieced together the events that led up to its demise. It seems that a former Air Force sergeant had somehow got hold of a JATO (Jet Assisted Take-Off) unit. JATO units are solid fuel rockets used to give heavy military transport airplanes an extra push for take-off from short airfields. Dried desert lakebeds are the location of choice for breaking the world ground vehicle speed record. The sergeant took the JATO unit into the Arizona desert and found a long, straight stretch of road. He attached the JATO unit to his car, jumped in, accelerated to a high speed, and fired off the rocket. The facts, as best as could be determined, are as follows: The operator was driving a 1967 Chevy Impala. He ignited the JATO unit approximately 3.9 miles from the crash site. This was established by the location of a prominently scorched and melted strip of asphalt. The vehicle quickly reached a speed of between 250 and 300 mph and continued at that speed, under full power, for an additional 20-25 seconds. The soon-to-be pilot experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog-fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners. The Chevy remained on the straight highway for approximately 2.6 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied the brakes, completely melting them, blowing the tires, and leaving thick rubber marks on the road surface. The vehicle then became airborne for an additional 1.3 miles, impacted the cliff face at a height of 125 feet, and left a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock. Most of the driver's remains were not recovered; however, small fragments of bone, teeth, and hair were extracted from the crater, and fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a portion of the steering wheel. Ironically a still-legible bumper sticker was found, reading "How do you like my driving? Dial 1-800-EAT-**." The original SWORKS**

Apr 26th, 2003, 02:00 PM	#15 (permalink)
IML337 saving the world Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Aus Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 3,063 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Boo Talked to Peak about brakes too and i am getting some new pads on the car next week that have a higher heat tolerance. They are 220/set and they said for track and road they will be much better suited than the stock pads. They also have cross drilled disks but they said try the pads first then do the disks if i need a bit more.. Will keep you posted on that mod we had problems in the Audi circles with people thinking it was OK to put harder pads on OEM discs and the discs were always warping... bear that in mind

Apr 26th, 2003, 08:39 PM	#16 (permalink)
disdis MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 298 Offline	boo: which brand of pads r u getting?? pls give us report later on. i m struggling to decide whihc pads to get. seems to me EBC has a lot of marketing going for it. i m leaning towards that... changing the disc probably wont get much increase of braking power. but on a track, it certainly helps to minimise overheating and mushy pedals.

Apr 26th, 2003, 10:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
swamos MINI Traitor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 5,538 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by disdis boo: which brand of pads r u getting?? pls give us report later on. i m struggling to decide whihc pads to get. seems to me EBC has a lot of marketing going for it. i m leaning towards that... I've had EBC on for a few months now, and I would have to say I'm happy. A word of warning though, they seem to need a good amount of time to run in, and when cold they don't bite as well as the stock pads. They do generate less dust too Clubman less....

Apr 27th, 2003, 07:31 AM	#18 (permalink)
Boo Sponsor and Widget Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nth Beaches, Sydney Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 1,752 Offline	I can't remember the brand at this point, Peak Performance recommended them to me if i wanted better braking on the track and said that they still work better than the stock ones on the road... Will see, i'll let you know. The original SWORKS

Apr 27th, 2003, 08:14 AM	#19 (permalink)
IML337 saving the world Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Aus Local Time: 07:45 AM Posts: 3,063 Offline	it's the EBC pads that were the worst offenders on Audi's when it came to warping OEM discs Just a word of warning

Apr 27th, 2003, 08:20 AM	#20 (permalink)
Bk MCS MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Florida State University! Local Time: 04:45 PM Posts: 179 Offline	Go see Randy at MINI Motorsport and pick up some Fredos. He says they are good.

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