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Greendevil · Sep 3rd, 2003, 01:13 AM

AMD Technik are very close to producing a 300BHP kit for the Mini Cooper S. At the heart of it is a new, significantly larger supercharger (see pic) Distributer in Australia will be QSZ in Melbourne. This kit does NOT include NOS which indicates just how phenomenal the new supercharger is!

bkwalker · Sep 3rd, 2003, 01:32 AM

yeah i saw an ad for this kit in MOTOR magazine... they claim to get a cooper s up to 210KW

BOOM!

warped · Sep 3rd, 2003, 04:20 AM

210kW through the front wheels and MINI drivetrain!

In order to make that sort of power useable you're going to need either a LSD or probably more likely ECU restricted power delivery in 1st & 2nd ... midrange acceleration should be blistering

However I'm not that convinced that it is a practical configuration ... I could see you eating a set of tyres on a monthly basis

And without reineforcement I could see the drivetrain being eaten pretty quickly as well

Happy to take it for a test drive though

robbo mcs · Sep 3rd, 2003, 11:02 AM

Hi,

I think that is completely crazy, and not for me!

This car can only handle so much power. With my mods I am probably around 210-220hp (although I have not dynoed). I also have track tyres and suspension mods. Just trust me, that is more than enough.

More power just means more wheel spin. On the track I have to ease off the throttle at 120-130km/hr in third because of wheel spin. God knows what it would be like with 300hp.

Realistically any more than 200hp is a waste. In a straight line you are struggling to get power down to the ground. Coming out of a corner, forget anything like full throttle! Nevermind what it is going to do to your drivetrain etc.

With all my mods my car is faster around the track, but I think most of the gain is from the suspension and tyres rather than the engine upgrades.

Robbo

IML337 · Sep 3rd, 2003, 01:14 PM

I know of a guy who works for AMDTechnik in the UK and am trying to hook up with him when I'm there in a few weeks. I heard something about them having a 300bhp MCS - this must be what it was all about!

TimboK · Sep 4th, 2003, 04:25 AM

Robbo - wheel spin with track tires in third gear?

Greendevil · Sep 4th, 2003, 04:31 AM

Robbo, what mods have you done to get 210bhp?

robbo mcs · Sep 4th, 2003, 10:32 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by TimboK

Robbo - wheel spin with track tires in third gear?

Yes, it is a real problem on the track. However, that only happens on curves, not on straights, and is due to the front wheel drive setup. A prime example is "corporate hill" at Eastern Creek. This is a long sweeping off camber left hander. Coming through the corner I am in third gear around 5000rpm. I can ease on the throttle very carefully to around 40% with no spin. Any harder and one of the front wheels is spinning like crazy.

If you are dubious, come out to the track and I will show you!

Robbo

bkwalker · Sep 4th, 2003, 10:45 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by robbo mcs

Yes, it is a real problem on the track. However, that only happens on curves, not on straights, and is due to the front wheel drive setup. A prime example is "corporate hill" at Eastern Creek. This is a long sweeping off camber left hander. Coming through the corner I am in third gear around 5000rpm. I can ease on the throttle very carefully to around 40% with no spin. Any harder and one of the front wheels is spinning like crazy.

If you are dubious, come out to the track and I will show you!

Robbo

is that an invite robbo?!?! haha
id love to be a passenger in your car on the track!
im young so i think im invincible you see

robbo mcs · Sep 4th, 2003, 10:49 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Greendevil

Robbo, what mods have you done to get 210bhp?

Hi,

My mods are :

Hartge kit
Hartge exhaust
Cold air intake
Intercooler sprayer
Coil overs with spring settings tailored for track
Adjustable rear and front camber
Adjustable thicker rear bar
Braided brake lines with track pads
Track tyres
Harness / extinguisher

Total cost so far is equivalent to the JCW price.

To tell you the truth I have no idea what power my car is making. I dont really care for artificial dyno figures, and have no interest in dynoing the car.

I am going to post a comprehensive review in a few weeks. I have been holding off, because I have still been fine tuning various parts eg exhaust, suspension and spring settings etc. On 21st I go to Oran Park GP. Then I will be able to post before and after times for 3 tracks, as well as having enough day to day driving experience to post meaningful results.

Robbo

robbo mcs · Sep 4th, 2003, 11:01 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by bkwalker

is that an invite robbo?!?! haha
id love to be a passenger in your car on the track!
im young so i think im invincible you see

Yes it is an invite!

We need more mini owners to get involved in motorsport.

Why dont you come out to the BMW NSW club event at Oran Park on 21/9? You can come and watch and see how the mini runs. At the BMW event I cant take you for laps, and you can only watch, but it would be great to have you there. Even better, you could join the club, and sign up for the event and participate yourself! Check out the website www.bmwclubnsw.asn.au

BTW if you really want to be a passenger in my mini on the track, it can be arranged, but not at the BMW events (which are CAMS events and strictly regulated).

Robbo

IML337 · Sep 4th, 2003, 02:44 PM

Apart from that fact that I'm away on Sept 21, this is like the third time that a MINI2 event has co-incided with a BMW Club NSW Motorsport or other event

The next drive is on Sept 21!

robbo mcs · Sep 4th, 2003, 09:12 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by IML337

Apart from that fact that I'm away on Sept 21, this is like the third time that a MINI2 event has co-incided with a BMW Club NSW Motorsport or other event

The next drive is on Sept 21!

Hi,

Yeah I forgot! I knew there was a reason I wasn't going on the drive day. Maybe next time, 12/10 at Eastern Creek

Robbo

TRELO · Sep 5th, 2003, 12:48 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by robbo mcs

Hi,

Yeah I forgot! I knew there was a reason I wasn't going on the drive day. Maybe next time, 12/10 at Eastern Creek

Robbo

I see you have wheel spin now after the engine mods too, I just hate how I loose lap times.

Oh, Track day on 21/7/03 , Is this a BMW club event. If it is im joining today. Stuff the drive day

robbo mcs · Sep 5th, 2003, 06:08 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by TRELO

I see you have wheel spin now after the engine mods too, I just hate how I loose lap times.

Oh, Track day on 21/7/03 , Is this a BMW club event. If it is im joining today. Stuff the drive day

Hi,

Yes is it as BMW club supersprint at Oran Park Grand Prix on 21/9.

If you want to go check out the webpage www.bmwclubnsw.asn.au . You can download BMW club application forms and also forms for the supersprint. You should also check out the scrutineering requirements.

Robbo

TRELO · Sep 7th, 2003, 07:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by robbo mcs

Hi,

Yes is it as BMW club supersprint at Oran Park Grand Prix on 21/9.

If you want to go check out the webpage www.bmwclubnsw.asn.au . You can download BMW club application forms and also forms for the supersprint. You should also check out the scrutineering requirements.

Robbo

Robbo, thanks for the info. By the way I saw your Water Spray Installation for your Intercooler, Looks like it works great.

P.S - Let me know how the water spray goes...

Sep 3rd, 2003, 01:13 AM	#1
Greendevil Track Pal Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sydney Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 298 Offline	300BHP Cooper S kit coming soon! AMD Technik are very close to producing a 300BHP kit for the Mini Cooper S. At the heart of it is a new, significantly larger supercharger (see pic) Distributer in Australia will be QSZ in Melbourne. This kit does NOT include NOS which indicates just how phenomenal the new supercharger is! Attached Thumbnails BMW E36 M3R Alpine White - Engine : 6 cylinder; DOHC 24 valve Capacity : 2990cc Power : 243KW @ 7000 rpm Torque : 323NM @ 3900rpm Produced : Jan - May 1995 How many :15 ONLY Last edited by Greendevil : Sep 3rd, 2003 at 02:06 AM.

Sep 3rd, 2003, 01:32 AM	#2 (permalink)
bkwalker The Silverado Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Local Time: 06:13 AM Posts: 804 Offline	yeah i saw an ad for this kit in MOTOR magazine... they claim to get a cooper s up to 210KW BOOM! benno

Sep 4th, 2003, 04:31 AM	#7 (permalink)
Greendevil Track Pal Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sydney Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 298 Offline	Robbo, what mods have you done to get 210bhp? BMW E36 M3R Alpine White - Engine : 6 cylinder; DOHC 24 valve Capacity : 2990cc Power : 243KW @ 7000 rpm Torque : 323NM @ 3900rpm Produced : Jan - May 1995 How many :15 ONLY

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bkwalker The Silverado Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Local Time: 06:13 AM Posts: 804 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by robbo mcs Yes, it is a real problem on the track. However, that only happens on curves, not on straights, and is due to the front wheel drive setup. A prime example is "corporate hill" at Eastern Creek. This is a long sweeping off camber left hander. Coming through the corner I am in third gear around 5000rpm. I can ease on the throttle very carefully to around 40% with no spin. Any harder and one of the front wheels is spinning like crazy. If you are dubious, come out to the track and I will show you! Robbo is that an invite robbo?!?! haha id love to be a passenger in your car on the track! im young so i think im invincible you see benno

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Sep 3rd, 2003, 04:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
warped JCW No. 1459 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Neutral Bay, Sydney Local Time: 06:13 AM Posts: 869 Offline	210kW through the front wheels and MINI drivetrain! In order to make that sort of power useable you're going to need either a LSD or probably more likely ECU restricted power delivery in 1st & 2nd ... midrange acceleration should be blistering However I'm not that convinced that it is a practical configuration ... I could see you eating a set of tyres on a monthly basis And without reineforcement I could see the drivetrain being eaten pretty quickly as well Happy to take it for a test drive though

Sep 3rd, 2003, 11:02 AM	#4 (permalink)
robbo mcs Track Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 2,620 Offline	Hi, I think that is completely crazy, and not for me! This car can only handle so much power. With my mods I am probably around 210-220hp (although I have not dynoed). I also have track tyres and suspension mods. Just trust me, that is more than enough. More power just means more wheel spin. On the track I have to ease off the throttle at 120-130km/hr in third because of wheel spin. God knows what it would be like with 300hp. Realistically any more than 200hp is a waste. In a straight line you are struggling to get power down to the ground. Coming out of a corner, forget anything like full throttle! Nevermind what it is going to do to your drivetrain etc. With all my mods my car is faster around the track, but I think most of the gain is from the suspension and tyres rather than the engine upgrades. Robbo

Sep 3rd, 2003, 01:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
IML337 saving the world Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Local Time: 06:13 AM Posts: 2,931 Offline	I know of a guy who works for AMDTechnik in the UK and am trying to hook up with him when I'm there in a few weeks. I heard something about them having a 300bhp MCS - this must be what it was all about!

Sep 4th, 2003, 04:25 AM	#6 (permalink)
TimboK MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 06:13 AM Posts: 20 Offline	Robbo - wheel spin with track tires in third gear?

Sep 4th, 2003, 10:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
robbo mcs Track Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 2,620 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by TimboK Robbo - wheel spin with track tires in third gear? Yes, it is a real problem on the track. However, that only happens on curves, not on straights, and is due to the front wheel drive setup. A prime example is "corporate hill" at Eastern Creek. This is a long sweeping off camber left hander. Coming through the corner I am in third gear around 5000rpm. I can ease on the throttle very carefully to around 40% with no spin. Any harder and one of the front wheels is spinning like crazy. If you are dubious, come out to the track and I will show you! Robbo

Sep 4th, 2003, 10:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
robbo mcs Track Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 2,620 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Greendevil Robbo, what mods have you done to get 210bhp? Hi, My mods are : Hartge kit Hartge exhaust Cold air intake Intercooler sprayer Coil overs with spring settings tailored for track Adjustable rear and front camber Adjustable thicker rear bar Braided brake lines with track pads Track tyres Harness / extinguisher Total cost so far is equivalent to the JCW price. To tell you the truth I have no idea what power my car is making. I dont really care for artificial dyno figures, and have no interest in dynoing the car. I am going to post a comprehensive review in a few weeks. I have been holding off, because I have still been fine tuning various parts eg exhaust, suspension and spring settings etc. On 21st I go to Oran Park GP. Then I will be able to post before and after times for 3 tracks, as well as having enough day to day driving experience to post meaningful results. Robbo

Sep 4th, 2003, 11:01 AM	#11 (permalink)
robbo mcs Track Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 2,620 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by bkwalker is that an invite robbo?!?! haha id love to be a passenger in your car on the track! im young so i think im invincible you see Yes it is an invite! We need more mini owners to get involved in motorsport. Why dont you come out to the BMW NSW club event at Oran Park on 21/9? You can come and watch and see how the mini runs. At the BMW event I cant take you for laps, and you can only watch, but it would be great to have you there. Even better, you could join the club, and sign up for the event and participate yourself! Check out the website www.bmwclubnsw.asn.au BTW if you really want to be a passenger in my mini on the track, it can be arranged, but not at the BMW events (which are CAMS events and strictly regulated). Robbo

Sep 4th, 2003, 02:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
IML337 saving the world Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Local Time: 06:13 AM Posts: 2,931 Offline	Apart from that fact that I'm away on Sept 21, this is like the third time that a MINI2 event has co-incided with a BMW Club NSW Motorsport or other event The next drive is on Sept 21!

Sep 4th, 2003, 09:12 PM	#13 (permalink)
robbo mcs Track Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 2,620 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by IML337 Apart from that fact that I'm away on Sept 21, this is like the third time that a MINI2 event has co-incided with a BMW Club NSW Motorsport or other event The next drive is on Sept 21! Hi, Yeah I forgot! I knew there was a reason I wasn't going on the drive day. Maybe next time, 12/10 at Eastern Creek Robbo

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Sep 5th, 2003, 12:48 AM	#14 (permalink)
TRELO Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Pulled over by Cops Local Time: 06:13 AM Posts: 1,173 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by robbo mcs Hi, Yeah I forgot! I knew there was a reason I wasn't going on the drive day. Maybe next time, 12/10 at Eastern Creek Robbo I see you have wheel spin now after the engine mods too, I just hate how I loose lap times. Oh, Track day on 21/7/03 , Is this a BMW club event. If it is im joining today. Stuff the drive day

Sep 5th, 2003, 06:08 AM	#15 (permalink)
robbo mcs Track Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Local Time: 07:13 AM Posts: 2,620 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by TRELO I see you have wheel spin now after the engine mods too, I just hate how I loose lap times. Oh, Track day on 21/7/03 , Is this a BMW club event. If it is im joining today. Stuff the drive day Hi, Yes is it as BMW club supersprint at Oran Park Grand Prix on 21/9. If you want to go check out the webpage www.bmwclubnsw.asn.au . You can download BMW club application forms and also forms for the supersprint. You should also check out the scrutineering requirements. Robbo

Sep 7th, 2003, 07:49 PM	#16 (permalink)
TRELO Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Pulled over by Cops Local Time: 06:13 AM Posts: 1,173 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by robbo mcs Hi, Yes is it as BMW club supersprint at Oran Park Grand Prix on 21/9. If you want to go check out the webpage www.bmwclubnsw.asn.au . You can download BMW club application forms and also forms for the supersprint. You should also check out the scrutineering requirements. Robbo Robbo, thanks for the info. By the way I saw your Water Spray Installation for your Intercooler, Looks like it works great. P.S - Let me know how the water spray goes...

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