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Darryl · Oct 1st, 2003, 12:52 PM

We've got a slow leak with one of the runflats, took it to the local Jax tyres today.

I'm not impressed, (1) they don't know if runflats can be repaired or not. We've the Dunlop versions, Pirelli tech has officially told them not to repair runflats as theres no guarantee it'll work, he's contracting Dunlop to see what their official line is. (2) They have no idea if they can remove and refit the tyre with their equipment. huh!!

So we pumped it back up again whilst they look into it and/or we find another tyre place thats a little more enlightened.

No way I'm going to replace a runflat with another runflat, I think a small compressor and a can of goo is going to find its way into the boot and we get some decent Pirelli pzeros or Continentals on the thing (any excuse

)

Its pretty pathetic though, what the hell happens if your in some small country town and you get a puncture?? is it conspiritory between the tyre companies and the motel/rental car firms?.

robbo mcs · Oct 2nd, 2003, 11:18 AM

Hi,

The run flats are a disaster. Expensive, handle terribly and you cant get anyone to repair them, or even take them off your rim.

However, I would suggest you give Mark at Autohaus a call. They have the facilities there to find a leak and patch it if necessary. It may be something as simple as a valve leak. He will certainly know whether it is possible to patch the tyre. I cant see why not? The part of the run flats that contacts the road is no different from a normal tyre. The difference is in the sidewall construction. If you have a leak in the sidewall it is not repairable regardless of the tyre. If it is in the contact patch it should not matter.

Some time ago I had a slow leak on one of the tyres on the M3. I took it twice to the local tyre shop where they "found" and "patched" the leak with no improvement. When I took the car in for a service autohaus fixed it and it has been fine since.

Robbo

Darryl · Oct 2nd, 2003, 12:31 PM

thanks Robbo,

Yes on the advice of Dunlop the tyre place got back and told us to go to the dealer to get it fixed. Mark was great as normal as said to bring it in and they'll fix it pronto.

Bloody disaster as you've stated.

ubought'a'what! · Oct 3rd, 2003, 01:00 AM

I can sympathise with you. I had a puncture last week, and despite the tyre deflating I drove it the 1km to Beaurepaires in Parramatta (who had all the right gear), only to be told that they contacted Pirelli who said that it could not be fixed. Consipiracy theories abound!

While it did not cost me anything (leased car) now I have a brand new tyre working next to a half worn one. If it had been mine I would have taken it to someone who could have plugged it. Autohaus sounds like a good idea.

bkwalker · Oct 4th, 2003, 01:40 AM

i got a nail in my tyre a while ago now..
it was right in the middle (so not the side wall, i have the dunlops by the way)

i took it to a shop in brookvale that specialise in dunlop tyres and they took it off and patched it straight away and ive never had a probolem since..
it only cost me about $30 from my recollection also

they knew exactly what runflats were and how to deal with them

Darryl · Oct 4th, 2003, 12:20 PM

Well Autohaus repaired the tyre, $30.00. so hopefully thats sorted.

I'm still very suss on these runflats and the degree of service we can expect from repairers especially out of the metro area. Maybe carrying around a can of goo might be a small insurance policy?

And whatever you do, don't let the tyre place call Pirelli - instant $500 tyre replacement

bkwalker · Oct 5th, 2003, 04:14 AM

ive never had a problem since my tyre repair.. well the runflat light hasn't come one to say that a tyre is low in air pressure..

i wonder why pirelli require instant tyre replacement.. sounds a bit strange.. maybe for sales?

Boo · Oct 6th, 2003, 04:28 PM

I must admit that i am in two minds whether to replace the runflats with pzeros or similar myself.. At $500 a pop for runflats it is pretty steep... although being able to repair them is a point again in their favour.

bkwalker · Oct 7th, 2003, 04:35 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Boo

I must admit that i am in two minds whether to replace the runflats with pzeros or similar myself.. At $500 a pop for runflats it is pretty steep... although being able to repair them is a point again in their favour.

boo
how much are pzeros? any idea?
if u do get these pzeros what happens if you get a flat??

jaydub · Oct 7th, 2003, 05:33 AM

Ben,

I guess you could go and buy the tyre repair kit (an electric pump and goo that you put into the tyre, which came standard with the crappy bog standard 15" Cooper wheels)...but be warned...once you use that goo you can never repair the tyre...

FLiPSiDE · Oct 7th, 2003, 05:52 AM

i was unfortunate enuff to have 2 nails decide to make a home in my tyres within the space of a week! haha

I had my mates at a tyre shop check up for me got the data sheet on the tyres i have (Dunlops i think they are? ) faxed to them etc.. and it says on the sheet "repair as per normal"

even tho i told them there wasnt a sensor in the wheel some runflats do have sensors so they were really cautious the first time they repaired one of my tyres and it took forever to get it off.. but once they saw for themselves there was no sensor the next 2 times were done in a jiffy 15 bucks a pop

oooh and when one of the tyres came off i discovered my mates at Parramatta Classic Mini Garage decided to sell me a new car with a patched tyre too! awefully nice of them

and yeh when i get my license back the runflats are going bye byes they're heavy, poor grip.. squeel alot when barely pushed etc etc im not a big fan of them I wanted Toyo t1-s proxes but have since discovered they dont make em in the right size.. bit of a bummer but meh.. im not sure what i'll get now

bkwalker · Oct 7th, 2003, 05:58 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by FLiPSiDE

and yeh when i get my license back the runflats are going bye byes they're heavy, poor grip.. squeel alot when barely pushed etc etc im not a big fan of them I wanted Toyo t1-s proxes but have since discovered they dont make em in the right size.. bit of a bummer but meh.. im not sure what i'll get now

when you get your license back???

what happened?

FLiPSiDE · Oct 7th, 2003, 06:13 AM

ah i got done doin 96 in a 60 zone over 6 months ago which is an instant 3 month suspension.. wrote a letter in.. it was so long ago i thought i'd gotten away with it.. but got a letter back last month saying 2 bad.. 3 months of being a pedestrian for u.. so i gotta pay it next week.. then its about a month till the suspension kicks in.. and then its 3 months off

o well..

bkwalker · Oct 7th, 2003, 06:38 AM

ah no!
sorry to hear that, looks like we wont be seeing you at the drive day in november.. so i guess you'll be riding a bike around now!

actually get a motorised scooter. that'd be fun

FLiPSiDE · Oct 7th, 2003, 06:43 AM

well if i do lose it before the drive.. tims got 3 spare seats.. i'll prolly make it there one way or another

Boo · Oct 7th, 2003, 03:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by bkwalker

boo
how much are pzeros? any idea?
if u do get these pzeros what happens if you get a flat??

Not sure how much the p zeros are but when i get back i am going to try to find a space saver wheel that will fit the mini configuration. If i can, then i will change them out for pxeros and i am sure with all the cars around these days there must be at least one that fits

Darryl · Oct 9th, 2003, 08:35 AM

Fired off an email to Pirelli about these Runflats, reply follows:

Darryl,

You have been advised correctly - Pirelli run flat tyres are not to be repaired. This is a safety issue. It is not easily possible to identify if any damage has been caused to the sidewall of these tyres without cutting into the tyre. The tyres supplied by Goodyear are repairable, however they pass the responsibility onto the tyre dealer. Bridgestone and Michelin also have run flats in Australia and they don't' want theirs repaired either.

BMW (Mini) and our distributors will advise who should service these tyres. They don't necessarily need to have any specialised equipment to fit these tyres however it does make it easier. Their expertise is critical though.

Regards
Simon Pool
Technical Manager
Pirelli Tyres Australia

bkwalker · Oct 9th, 2003, 08:44 AM

i wonder what the mean by "safety issue" he didn't really go into specifics.. what would be the worst thing to happen? it were to go flat again?

the brick · Oct 12th, 2003, 01:14 PM

Pirelli p zeros at Australia's Best Tyre Service was $395. - not run flats.

snoopy · Oct 12th, 2003, 01:45 PM

I found Simon good value, when looking in to buying the MINI 2 years ago I got in contact with him and he explained the problem is "How far have you driven on the tire? and how flat was the tire? What speed were you driving when it was "flat", How much heat was generated in the sidewall".

The real problem is they don't know if the sidewall has started to break down or not and all of the factors above effect how fast this happens. As why other tire MFG say you can repair their tire after driving on them when they are flat I don't know.

But what Simon told me makes sense to me, but I will be taking a "Educated" guess based on the above factors if I ever have to face this problem as I don't want to replace a tire if I don't have to.

Oct 1st, 2003, 12:52 PM	#1
Darryl MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Local Time: 06:12 AM Posts: 245 Offline	runflats in Australia We've got a slow leak with one of the runflats, took it to the local Jax tyres today. I'm not impressed, (1) they don't know if runflats can be repaired or not. We've the Dunlop versions, Pirelli tech has officially told them not to repair runflats as theres no guarantee it'll work, he's contracting Dunlop to see what their official line is. (2) They have no idea if they can remove and refit the tyre with their equipment. huh!! So we pumped it back up again whilst they look into it and/or we find another tyre place thats a little more enlightened. No way I'm going to replace a runflat with another runflat, I think a small compressor and a can of goo is going to find its way into the boot and we get some decent Pirelli pzeros or Continentals on the thing (any excuse ) Its pretty pathetic though, what the hell happens if your in some small country town and you get a puncture?? is it conspiritory between the tyre companies and the motel/rental car firms?. 2003 MCS Last edited by swamos : Oct 7th, 2003 at 09:56 AM.

Oct 2nd, 2003, 12:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
Darryl MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Local Time: 06:12 AM Posts: 245 Offline	thanks Robbo, Yes on the advice of Dunlop the tyre place got back and told us to go to the dealer to get it fixed. Mark was great as normal as said to bring it in and they'll fix it pronto. Bloody disaster as you've stated. 2003 MCS

Oct 3rd, 2003, 01:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
ubought'a'what! #0029 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Merrylands, Sydney Local Time: 06:12 AM Posts: 27 Offline	I can sympathise with you. I had a puncture last week, and despite the tyre deflating I drove it the 1km to Beaurepaires in Parramatta (who had all the right gear), only to be told that they contacted Pirelli who said that it could not be fixed. Consipiracy theories abound! While it did not cost me anything (leased car) now I have a brand new tyre working next to a half worn one. If it had been mine I would have taken it to someone who could have plugged it. Autohaus sounds like a good idea. Marc Cooper S -Red/White, 17"Alloys HarmonKardon/ClimateControl/MFSW/XenonLights

Oct 4th, 2003, 01:40 AM	#5 (permalink)
bkwalker The Silverado Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Local Time: 06:12 AM Posts: 804 Offline	i got a nail in my tyre a while ago now.. it was right in the middle (so not the side wall, i have the dunlops by the way) i took it to a shop in brookvale that specialise in dunlop tyres and they took it off and patched it straight away and ive never had a probolem since.. it only cost me about $30 from my recollection also they knew exactly what runflats were and how to deal with them benno

Oct 4th, 2003, 12:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
Darryl MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Local Time: 06:12 AM Posts: 245 Offline	Well Autohaus repaired the tyre, $30.00. so hopefully thats sorted. I'm still very suss on these runflats and the degree of service we can expect from repairers especially out of the metro area. Maybe carrying around a can of goo might be a small insurance policy? And whatever you do, don't let the tyre place call Pirelli - instant $500 tyre replacement 2003 MCS

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Oct 2nd, 2003, 11:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
robbo mcs Track Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Local Time: 07:12 AM Posts: 2,620 Offline	Hi, The run flats are a disaster. Expensive, handle terribly and you cant get anyone to repair them, or even take them off your rim. However, I would suggest you give Mark at Autohaus a call. They have the facilities there to find a leak and patch it if necessary. It may be something as simple as a valve leak. He will certainly know whether it is possible to patch the tyre. I cant see why not? The part of the run flats that contacts the road is no different from a normal tyre. The difference is in the sidewall construction. If you have a leak in the sidewall it is not repairable regardless of the tyre. If it is in the contact patch it should not matter. Some time ago I had a slow leak on one of the tyres on the M3. I took it twice to the local tyre shop where they "found" and "patched" the leak with no improvement. When I took the car in for a service autohaus fixed it and it has been fine since. Robbo

Oct 5th, 2003, 04:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
bkwalker The Silverado Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Local Time: 06:12 AM Posts: 804 Offline	ive never had a problem since my tyre repair.. well the runflat light hasn't come one to say that a tyre is low in air pressure.. i wonder why pirelli require instant tyre replacement.. sounds a bit strange.. maybe for sales? benno

Oct 6th, 2003, 04:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
Boo Sponsor and Widget Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nth Beaches, Sydney Local Time: 06:12 AM Posts: 1,735 Offline	I must admit that i am in two minds whether to replace the runflats with pzeros or similar myself.. At $500 a pop for runflats it is pretty steep... although being able to repair them is a point again in their favour. The original SWORKS

Oct 7th, 2003, 04:35 AM	#9 (permalink)
bkwalker The Silverado Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Local Time: 06:12 AM Posts: 804 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Boo I must admit that i am in two minds whether to replace the runflats with pzeros or similar myself.. At $500 a pop for runflats it is pretty steep... although being able to repair them is a point again in their favour. boo how much are pzeros? any idea? if u do get these pzeros what happens if you get a flat?? benno

Oct 7th, 2003, 05:33 AM	#10 (permalink)
jaydub MINI2 Maniac Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sydney, NSW Local Time: 07:12 AM Posts: 213 Offline	Ben, I guess you could go and buy the tyre repair kit (an electric pump and goo that you put into the tyre, which came standard with the crappy bog standard 15" Cooper wheels)...but be warned...once you use that goo you can never repair the tyre... Where have I been for all these months?

Oct 7th, 2003, 05:52 AM	#11 (permalink)
FLiPSiDE I am Jacks wasted life Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sydney Local Time: 06:12 AM Posts: 566 Offline	i was unfortunate enuff to have 2 nails decide to make a home in my tyres within the space of a week! haha I had my mates at a tyre shop check up for me got the data sheet on the tyres i have (Dunlops i think they are? ) faxed to them etc.. and it says on the sheet "repair as per normal" even tho i told them there wasnt a sensor in the wheel some runflats do have sensors so they were really cautious the first time they repaired one of my tyres and it took forever to get it off.. but once they saw for themselves there was no sensor the next 2 times were done in a jiffy 15 bucks a pop oooh and when one of the tyres came off i discovered my mates at Parramatta Classic Mini Garage decided to sell me a new car with a patched tyre too! awefully nice of them and yeh when i get my license back the runflats are going bye byes they're heavy, poor grip.. squeel alot when barely pushed etc etc im not a big fan of them I wanted Toyo t1-s proxes but have since discovered they dont make em in the right size.. bit of a bummer but meh.. im not sure what i'll get now

Oct 7th, 2003, 05:58 AM	#12 (permalink)
bkwalker The Silverado Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Local Time: 06:12 AM Posts: 804 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by FLiPSiDE and yeh when i get my license back the runflats are going bye byes they're heavy, poor grip.. squeel alot when barely pushed etc etc im not a big fan of them I wanted Toyo t1-s proxes but have since discovered they dont make em in the right size.. bit of a bummer but meh.. im not sure what i'll get now when you get your license back??? what happened? benno

Oct 7th, 2003, 06:13 AM	#13 (permalink)
FLiPSiDE I am Jacks wasted life Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sydney Local Time: 06:12 AM Posts: 566 Offline	ah i got done doin 96 in a 60 zone over 6 months ago which is an instant 3 month suspension.. wrote a letter in.. it was so long ago i thought i'd gotten away with it.. but got a letter back last month saying 2 bad.. 3 months of being a pedestrian for u.. so i gotta pay it next week.. then its about a month till the suspension kicks in.. and then its 3 months off o well..

Oct 7th, 2003, 06:38 AM	#14 (permalink)
bkwalker The Silverado Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Local Time: 06:12 AM Posts: 804 Offline	ah no! sorry to hear that, looks like we wont be seeing you at the drive day in november.. so i guess you'll be riding a bike around now! actually get a motorised scooter. that'd be fun benno

Oct 7th, 2003, 06:43 AM	#15 (permalink)
FLiPSiDE I am Jacks wasted life Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sydney Local Time: 06:12 AM Posts: 566 Offline	well if i do lose it before the drive.. tims got 3 spare seats.. i'll prolly make it there one way or another

Oct 7th, 2003, 03:30 PM	#16 (permalink)
Boo Sponsor and Widget Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nth Beaches, Sydney Local Time: 06:12 AM Posts: 1,735 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by bkwalker boo how much are pzeros? any idea? if u do get these pzeros what happens if you get a flat?? Not sure how much the p zeros are but when i get back i am going to try to find a space saver wheel that will fit the mini configuration. If i can, then i will change them out for pxeros and i am sure with all the cars around these days there must be at least one that fits The original SWORKS

Oct 9th, 2003, 08:35 AM	#17 (permalink)
Darryl MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Local Time: 06:12 AM Posts: 245 Offline	Fired off an email to Pirelli about these Runflats, reply follows: Darryl, You have been advised correctly - Pirelli run flat tyres are not to be repaired. This is a safety issue. It is not easily possible to identify if any damage has been caused to the sidewall of these tyres without cutting into the tyre. The tyres supplied by Goodyear are repairable, however they pass the responsibility onto the tyre dealer. Bridgestone and Michelin also have run flats in Australia and they don't' want theirs repaired either. BMW (Mini) and our distributors will advise who should service these tyres. They don't necessarily need to have any specialised equipment to fit these tyres however it does make it easier. Their expertise is critical though. Regards Simon Pool Technical Manager Pirelli Tyres Australia 2003 MCS

Oct 9th, 2003, 08:44 AM	#18 (permalink)
bkwalker The Silverado Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Local Time: 06:12 AM Posts: 804 Offline	i wonder what the mean by "safety issue" he didn't really go into specifics.. what would be the worst thing to happen? it were to go flat again? benno

Oct 12th, 2003, 01:14 PM	#19 (permalink)
the brick MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sydney Local Time: 07:12 AM Posts: 163 Offline	Pirelli p zeros at Australia's Best Tyre Service was $395. - not run flats.

Oct 12th, 2003, 01:45 PM	#20 (permalink)
snoopy MINI2 Master Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: au Local Time: 06:12 AM Posts: 1,149 Offline	I found Simon good value, when looking in to buying the MINI 2 years ago I got in contact with him and he explained the problem is "How far have you driven on the tire? and how flat was the tire? What speed were you driving when it was "flat", How much heat was generated in the sidewall". The real problem is they don't know if the sidewall has started to break down or not and all of the factors above effect how fast this happens. As why other tire MFG say you can repair their tire after driving on them when they are flat I don't know. But what Simon told me makes sense to me, but I will be taking a "Educated" guess based on the above factors if I ever have to face this problem as I don't want to replace a tire if I don't have to.

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