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brett · Nov 24th, 2003, 10:54 AM

Has anyone been to Brisbane Mini Garage lately

Out the front is a red and white John Cooper Works that a customer had on loan over a few days

Apparently he reached down to pick up a set of sunnies and hit a gutter

It's a very sad sight

even the mag wheel has a big chunk missing of it

I heard they had one there, so I was going to ask if I could be dropped into the city in it, until I saw it

Neeshil · Nov 24th, 2003, 01:34 PM

:O

Thats terrible. I think I will have to drop in and see it.

Or are there any photos?

cjay · Nov 24th, 2003, 08:38 PM

"pick up a set of sunnies" LOL

Well, maybe he was picking up his sunnies while doing burnouts in a car park while being cheered on be a crowd....

AussieMini · Nov 24th, 2003, 11:19 PM

He wouldn't of been doing a burn out down Springwood way would he??? That's where I heard he was louting.

jasemini · Nov 25th, 2003, 02:32 AM

I saw the car yesterday, totally ruined the subframe, bent the steering arm, wrecked front spoiler, and smashed one rim badly.
To do all of this the driver obviously was doing more than picking up sunglasses. It's being repaired though!!!!

kenhenry · Nov 25th, 2003, 09:03 AM

Next time anyone is down there. Get the VIN and Works Kit No. It will no doubt come up for sale at some stage. I wouldn't want any friend of mine buying that car.

I am surprised it still hasn't been repaired yet. How long ago did the guy trash it? Must be at least a month.

Anyway, he has blown it for the rest of us. I was told a couple of days after it happened. That Bris BMW would not be letting out a Works as a loaner ever again. Even to existing S owners, like the guy that was caught out doing the deed on this one.

Anyone know yet, whether Bris BMW has taken action yet and whether his insurance company has refused to pay out?

jasemini · Nov 25th, 2003, 10:25 PM

Apparently he is being sued for the repair bill and damage related costs. The damage was not so substantial that I would not buy that car if it was heavily discounted. It should be anyway as it will be a demo. My real concern would be the regular floggings that the car has recieved in test drives. Being a JCW Cooper S you can be sure it has been driven very hard indeed. :O :O I wonder what it will sell for when it sells?

JugMan · Nov 25th, 2003, 11:24 PM

Sounds like a perfect car for me then eh Jase? I don't care if it's been driven hard. That's what they're made for, that's what I'll do.

jasemini · Nov 26th, 2003, 12:55 AM

Even as a demo it'll still go for around $50K when it sells. You'd be doing well to afford that at 19 let alone the insurance.

cityclinic · Nov 26th, 2003, 07:48 AM

Another JCW was involved in an accident down Cronulla way. Apparently it was on a test drive.

I wonder if 'you break it you own it' applies here.

IML337 · Nov 26th, 2003, 07:57 AM

After 12 months of going nuts in my Cooper S I think you'd have to be doing something VERY STUPID to hit something in a MINI... and it ruins it for the rest of us!

At least they are suing him for damages

kenhenry · Nov 26th, 2003, 09:22 PM

Since we all seem to find out one way or the other from our network. I think it's important, that we all, as MINI owners, keep track of the number of Works demos that are damaged during test drives.

With the limited number of Works on the road, the stats for accidents per 1,000 vehicles that the insurance companies in Australia keep and share to determine the premiums on vechicle makes and models could be horrendously inflated.

This could lead to outlandish premiums not only for Works owners, but S owners and possibly even Cooper owners.

Maybe we need a thread that is simply a register of VIN No.s and known accidents in Works demos. It may not work, but it could give us a case to argue, if our premiums go through the roof because of these crash test dummies.

Think of it, say 50 Works currently on the road in Oz - at least 2 demo prangs in the 4 months they have been available. That's 4% of this model pranged in 4 months. That alone is not encouraging from an insurance perspective.

swamos · Nov 27th, 2003, 02:56 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by kenhenry

Since we all seem to find out one way or the other from our network. I think it's important, that we all, as MINI owners, keep track of the number of Works demos that are damaged during test drives.

With the limited number of Works on the road, the stats for accidents per 1,000 vehicles that the insurance companies in Australia keep and share to determine the premiums on vechicle makes and models could be horrendously inflated.

This could lead to outlandish premiums not only for Works owners, but S owners and possibly even Cooper owners.

Maybe we need a thread that is simply a register of VIN No.s and known accidents in Works demos. It may not work, but it could give us a case to argue, if our premiums go through the roof because of these crash test dummies.

Think of it, say 50 Works currently on the road in Oz - at least 2 demo prangs in the 4 months they have been available. That's 4% of this model pranged in 4 months. That alone is not encouraging from an insurance perspective.

Ken is right on the money here. If people keep decking (plane term) JCW's, then it is only a matter of time until our insurance rates go up. So far, we have been quite lucky.

I believe that the solution to this is for people with JCWs to drive more carefully...... Unfortunately this is difficult to force people to do. I believe that in the meantime all MINI owners should make it their charge to test drive a WRX and crash it.

That way the insurance companies will be so busy looking at WRX's they won't notice us

cjay · Nov 27th, 2003, 03:07 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by kenhenry

This could lead to outlandish premiums not only for Works owners, but S owners and possibly even Cooper owners.

Ken does have a good point. When I went to insure my Cooper RACQ said they charge the same rate as they do for a Cooper S... even though they are so dumb they don't know the difference premiums will go through the roof with lots of expensive claims like the Briz BMW Works demo.

cjay.

Neeshil · Nov 27th, 2003, 04:42 AM

hmm Suncorp differentiates between cooper and cooper s. I think there was a $300 difference in premium for me.

I think it is a good idea (the register of crashed works). Do dealers have to tell you if a car has been pranged or not?

swamos · Nov 27th, 2003, 04:51 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Neeshil

hmm Suncorp differentiates between cooper and cooper s. I think there was a $300 difference in premium for me.

I think it is a good idea (the register of crashed works). Do dealers have to tell you if a car has been pranged or not?

I believe they have to tell you if a car they are selling as "new" has been damaged, but I'm not sure about a demo.

cityclinic · Nov 27th, 2003, 08:48 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by swamos

Ken is right on the money here. If people keep decking (plane term) JCW's, then it is only a matter of time until our insurance rates go up. So far, we have been quite lucky.

I believe that the solution to this is for people with JCWs to drive more carefully...... Unfortunately this is difficult to force people to do. I believe that in the meantime all MINI owners should make it their charge to test drive a WRX and crash it.

That way the insurance companies will be so busy looking at WRX's they won't notice us

I promise to drive my new JCW MCS very carefully.

IML337 · Nov 27th, 2003, 11:53 PM

I have always thought that buying a demo Cooper S is madness anyway - let alone a demo JCW S - imagine the thrashing it would have copped (I know what I get up to in demo/loan vehicles

)

As for a damaged demo - the dealer wouldn't have to let you know, as in esscence it's just a second hand car...

JCWKIT · Jan 13th, 2004, 06:34 AM

Very interesting to hear how you treat my cars when you drive them Tim....

gazah · Jan 13th, 2004, 07:45 AM

like to see you get out of this one tim... i can see your next loaner will be a barina!

Nov 24th, 2003, 10:54 AM	#1
brett 1st MINI Owner in QLD !!! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St George Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 2,390 Offline	Crashed Brisbane Mini John Cooper Works S Demo Has anyone been to Brisbane Mini Garage lately Out the front is a red and white John Cooper Works that a customer had on loan over a few days Apparently he reached down to pick up a set of sunnies and hit a gutter It's a very sad sight even the mag wheel has a big chunk missing of it I heard they had one there, so I was going to ask if I could be dropped into the city in it, until I saw it 1968 Mk1 Morris Cooper S 1310cc Downton Lake Green - White 1974 Leyland Mini 1098c Country Cream 2008 MINI Cooper S Chilli Pepper White - Black Roof

Nov 25th, 2003, 02:32 AM	#5 (permalink)
jasemini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brisbane - Queenslan Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 421 Offline	I saw the car yesterday, totally ruined the subframe, bent the steering arm, wrecked front spoiler, and smashed one rim badly. To do all of this the driver obviously was doing more than picking up sunglasses. It's being repaired though!!!! 02 MCS gone after 2 years of fun and new friends, and 10 visits to the service dept at Brisbane BMW. You don't know the meaning of practical until you've owned a Camry! (seriously it's not a bad car though )

Nov 25th, 2003, 09:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
kenhenry MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brisbane - Australia Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 839 Offline	Next time anyone is down there. Get the VIN and Works Kit No. It will no doubt come up for sale at some stage. I wouldn't want any friend of mine buying that car. I am surprised it still hasn't been repaired yet. How long ago did the guy trash it? Must be at least a month. Anyway, he has blown it for the rest of us. I was told a couple of days after it happened. That Bris BMW would not be letting out a Works as a loaner ever again. Even to existing S owners, like the guy that was caught out doing the deed on this one. Anyone know yet, whether Bris BMW has taken action yet and whether his insurance company has refused to pay out? www.clubmini.com.au

Nov 25th, 2003, 10:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
jasemini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brisbane - Queenslan Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 421 Offline	Apparently he is being sued for the repair bill and damage related costs. The damage was not so substantial that I would not buy that car if it was heavily discounted. It should be anyway as it will be a demo. My real concern would be the regular floggings that the car has recieved in test drives. Being a JCW Cooper S you can be sure it has been driven very hard indeed. :O :O I wonder what it will sell for when it sells? 02 MCS gone after 2 years of fun and new friends, and 10 visits to the service dept at Brisbane BMW. You don't know the meaning of practical until you've owned a Camry! (seriously it's not a bad car though )

Nov 26th, 2003, 12:55 AM	#9 (permalink)
jasemini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brisbane - Queenslan Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 421 Offline	Even as a demo it'll still go for around $50K when it sells. You'd be doing well to afford that at 19 let alone the insurance. 02 MCS gone after 2 years of fun and new friends, and 10 visits to the service dept at Brisbane BMW. You don't know the meaning of practical until you've owned a Camry! (seriously it's not a bad car though )

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Nov 24th, 2003, 01:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
Neeshil MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Brisbane AUS Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 264 Offline	:O Thats terrible. I think I will have to drop in and see it. Or are there any photos?

Nov 24th, 2003, 08:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
cjay "No Works for me!" Join Date: Jan 2003 Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 481 Offline	"pick up a set of sunnies" LOL Well, maybe he was picking up his sunnies while doing burnouts in a car park while being cheered on be a crowd....

Nov 24th, 2003, 11:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
AussieMini MINI2 Senior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Brisbane Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 687 Offline	He wouldn't of been doing a burn out down Springwood way would he??? That's where I heard he was louting.

Nov 25th, 2003, 11:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
JugMan MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brisbane - North Side Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 503 Offline	Sounds like a perfect car for me then eh Jase? I don't care if it's been driven hard. That's what they're made for, that's what I'll do.

Nov 26th, 2003, 07:48 AM	#10 (permalink)
cityclinic MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2002 Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 1,524 Offline	Another JCW was involved in an accident down Cronulla way. Apparently it was on a test drive. I wonder if 'you break it you own it' applies here.

Nov 26th, 2003, 07:57 AM	#11 (permalink)
IML337 saving the world Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 2,931 Offline	After 12 months of going nuts in my Cooper S I think you'd have to be doing something VERY STUPID to hit something in a MINI... and it ruins it for the rest of us! At least they are suing him for damages

Nov 26th, 2003, 09:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
kenhenry MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brisbane - Australia Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 839 Offline	Since we all seem to find out one way or the other from our network. I think it's important, that we all, as MINI owners, keep track of the number of Works demos that are damaged during test drives. With the limited number of Works on the road, the stats for accidents per 1,000 vehicles that the insurance companies in Australia keep and share to determine the premiums on vechicle makes and models could be horrendously inflated. This could lead to outlandish premiums not only for Works owners, but S owners and possibly even Cooper owners. Maybe we need a thread that is simply a register of VIN No.s and known accidents in Works demos. It may not work, but it could give us a case to argue, if our premiums go through the roof because of these crash test dummies. Think of it, say 50 Works currently on the road in Oz - at least 2 demo prangs in the 4 months they have been available. That's 4% of this model pranged in 4 months. That alone is not encouraging from an insurance perspective. www.clubmini.com.au

Nov 27th, 2003, 02:56 AM	#13 (permalink)
swamos MINI Traitor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 4,985 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by kenhenry Since we all seem to find out one way or the other from our network. I think it's important, that we all, as MINI owners, keep track of the number of Works demos that are damaged during test drives. With the limited number of Works on the road, the stats for accidents per 1,000 vehicles that the insurance companies in Australia keep and share to determine the premiums on vechicle makes and models could be horrendously inflated. This could lead to outlandish premiums not only for Works owners, but S owners and possibly even Cooper owners. Maybe we need a thread that is simply a register of VIN No.s and known accidents in Works demos. It may not work, but it could give us a case to argue, if our premiums go through the roof because of these crash test dummies. Think of it, say 50 Works currently on the road in Oz - at least 2 demo prangs in the 4 months they have been available. That's 4% of this model pranged in 4 months. That alone is not encouraging from an insurance perspective. Ken is right on the money here. If people keep decking (plane term) JCW's, then it is only a matter of time until our insurance rates go up. So far, we have been quite lucky. I believe that the solution to this is for people with JCWs to drive more carefully...... Unfortunately this is difficult to force people to do. I believe that in the meantime all MINI owners should make it their charge to test drive a WRX and crash it. That way the insurance companies will be so busy looking at WRX's they won't notice us

Nov 27th, 2003, 03:07 AM	#14 (permalink)
cjay "No Works for me!" Join Date: Jan 2003 Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 481 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by kenhenry This could lead to outlandish premiums not only for Works owners, but S owners and possibly even Cooper owners. Ken does have a good point. When I went to insure my Cooper RACQ said they charge the same rate as they do for a Cooper S... even though they are so dumb they don't know the difference premiums will go through the roof with lots of expensive claims like the Briz BMW Works demo. cjay.

Nov 27th, 2003, 04:42 AM	#15 (permalink)
Neeshil MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Brisbane AUS Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 264 Offline	hmm Suncorp differentiates between cooper and cooper s. I think there was a $300 difference in premium for me. I think it is a good idea (the register of crashed works). Do dealers have to tell you if a car has been pranged or not?

Nov 27th, 2003, 04:51 AM	#16 (permalink)
swamos MINI Traitor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 4,985 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Neeshil hmm Suncorp differentiates between cooper and cooper s. I think there was a $300 difference in premium for me. I think it is a good idea (the register of crashed works). Do dealers have to tell you if a car has been pranged or not? I believe they have to tell you if a car they are selling as "new" has been damaged, but I'm not sure about a demo.

Nov 27th, 2003, 08:48 AM	#17 (permalink)
cityclinic MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2002 Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 1,524 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by swamos Ken is right on the money here. If people keep decking (plane term) JCW's, then it is only a matter of time until our insurance rates go up. So far, we have been quite lucky. I believe that the solution to this is for people with JCWs to drive more carefully...... Unfortunately this is difficult to force people to do. I believe that in the meantime all MINI owners should make it their charge to test drive a WRX and crash it. That way the insurance companies will be so busy looking at WRX's they won't notice us I promise to drive my new JCW MCS very carefully.

Nov 27th, 2003, 11:53 PM	#18 (permalink)
IML337 saving the world Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 2,931 Offline	I have always thought that buying a demo Cooper S is madness anyway - let alone a demo JCW S - imagine the thrashing it would have copped (I know what I get up to in demo/loan vehicles ) As for a damaged demo - the dealer wouldn't have to let you know, as in esscence it's just a second hand car...

Jan 13th, 2004, 06:34 AM	#19 (permalink)
JCWKIT PUSHER Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sydney Local Time: 07:19 AM Posts: 25 Offline	Very interesting to hear how you treat my cars when you drive them Tim....

Jan 13th, 2004, 07:45 AM	#20 (permalink)
gazah M2 Procrastinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: sydney, OZ! Local Time: 06:19 AM Posts: 1,856 Offline	like to see you get out of this one tim... i can see your next loaner will be a barina! come MOTOR with clubMINI

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