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CanberraCooperS · Oct 27th, 2004, 11:37 PM

Was speaking to my former boss who owns the service station at the airport. He is attempting to get Caltex to let him sell the new 100 octane Platinum(as they call it) fuel. Supposivly this is good stuff and is nie on the same fuel you can buy in Japan.

Nothing 100% confirmed yet, but he usually doesn't say this unless he has access to it.
But the testing done on this fuel indicated that STI's and all those imports that have been detuned for Aussie fuel really excel on this fuel and it has a lower carbon deposit factor than the Optimax.

All sounds good to me.
Will keep all Canberran's up to date with the news when i get it

enzothemaddog · Oct 27th, 2004, 11:56 PM

I've never heard of this, sounds like a new MTH program will be needed soon

IML337 · Oct 28th, 2004, 12:49 AM

yeah I've not heard of this fuel either - sounds good if it happens though!

7nut · Oct 28th, 2004, 01:05 AM

A mate of mine has brought over his car from the UK that was mapped on Optimax there and he's been having problems with it here pinging...

So borrowed an octane tester from Sydney Uni and did some testing. Took 5 samples of Optimax from multiple garages ranging from the Northern Suburbs to Western Sydney never got over 93.2 ron with the worst result was 89.4 ron. He did a test on one sample of BP ultimate and it came out at 98.5 ron.

He's waiting to see what Shell say when they reply to the letter he's sent them.

Todd! · Oct 28th, 2004, 01:14 AM

Apparantly Optimax loses octane at a rate of 1ron perday as it sits in a tank...

Someone once told me that... not sure how tre it was, but my car runs OK on Optimax.

The Ultimate is quite limited in its availablity in Geelong - 1 BP station out of 9 have it - unlike Optimax which is available at all Shell servo's...

To get to the BP from my house I have to go past 2 Shells and I Mobil... IF I head in a different direction, I go past 2 Shells, 2 Mobils, 1 caltex, 1 APCO (dont ask), 1 BP without it....

So you can see why I use Shell most of the time!!

Todd

CanberraCooperS · Oct 28th, 2004, 02:09 AM

yes well the reality of all fuels is that yes they all go off. I know that optimax is supposed to create alot of carbon. you can see that as they use optimax in the V8Supercars, they all ploom out black smoke under power, yet many teams have tested other fuels and state that there is nothing comming out using the BP and others premium unleadeds

MickyD · Oct 28th, 2004, 02:09 AM

i've been told on numerous occasions that Ultimate is a MINIMUM of 98, and optimax is an AVERAGE of 98....
ultimate also has a lot less sulfur in it (as in about 90% less or something like that).

I only use ultimate, but that's 'cos I've got a BP fuel card. (and a caltex one which I've only ever used on the Eden trip.... there are NO BP's in that part of the world)

IML337 · Oct 28th, 2004, 02:18 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MickyD

I only use ultimate, but that's 'cos I've got a BP fuel card. (and a caltex one which I've only ever used on the Eden trip.... there are NO BP's in that part of the world)

Just as an aside, I got an email the other day, BP will no longer be discouting Premium fuel purchased using a BP card

party's over - but it was good while it lasted

MickyD · Oct 28th, 2004, 02:20 AM

didn't even realise I got a discount now.... apart from it all being pre-tax of course

Todd! · Oct 28th, 2004, 02:21 AM

Interesetingly enough, where my dad got his Cobra built, they only use Mobil 8000...

They built the motor and dyno'd a car - Red camaro Z28 - IOOOHP - from street machine about 6 issues back...

It made significantly more power using Synergy 8000... like 25hp!!

They also found when they pulled the motor down after using Optimax, there was a fair bit of carbon build up... so they told dad to use 8000 as much as he could...

I heard a rumour that Mobil were coming up with a 100 Octane fule also - cant remember what it was called though...

Todd

new skool · Oct 28th, 2004, 04:40 AM

yeah im with todd, the only fuel i will put in my car is mobil syn 8000..optimax is

and burns your cat out..Even when i had my gti-r running 25psi i was using the mobil fuel and did dyno tests between fuels ( yep helps having a mate with a dyno late on friday nights ) and saw plain and simple that the mobil fuel out performs optimax easy..if you want more ron go but a drum of the HKS booster it will put your fuel to 104ron

swamos · Oct 28th, 2004, 04:45 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by 7nut

A mate of mine has brought over his car from the UK that was mapped on Optimax there and he's been having problems with it here pinging...

So borrowed an octane tester from Sydney Uni and did some testing. Took 5 samples of Optimax from multiple garages ranging from the Northern Suburbs to Western Sydney never got over 93.2 ron with the worst result was 89.4 ron. He did a test on one sample of BP ultimate and it came out at 98.5 ron.

He's waiting to see what Shell say when they reply to the letter he's sent them.

A friend works for a motor bike importer. They were having trouble with their bikes pinging. The specs out of Japan said they ran fine on 89-90RON so it was a big mystery. They did a similar test and found what you're talking about. When they did the testing, premium (specs = 96) was lucky to get to around 90-91. Fuel bough from independent retailers could be as low as 80. They now specify premium in all their bikes

Just a word on Ultimate exceeding specification, I went to a fuel talk by them recently. I asked why my lotus that I had carefully tuned had recently started pinging, and they said when they started refining it was actually 100RON, and as volume increased they had reduced it to specifations.

martymini · Oct 28th, 2004, 04:47 AM

Oh to be able to choose. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on which way you look at it) we are only able to get Ultimate in the West. Every BP servo appears to have it and on every pump. Wonder if the others will try and compete?

Cheapest price today for it in Perth is 113.9cpl.

minigolf · Oct 28th, 2004, 05:56 AM

No Mobil Synergy 8000 in Canberra, well, that I know of anyway.

ScottyB · Oct 28th, 2004, 06:58 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by martymini

Cheapest price today for it in Perth is 113.9cpl.

For Ultimate?

wow.

I filled up last night for 1.19...

minigolf · Oct 28th, 2004, 07:36 AM

Yep, me too Scotty, I filled up yesterday for 118.9 which is the highest per litre price I have ever paid

... then today the price drops 2c!

Mike Clarke · Oct 28th, 2004, 09:26 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by minigolf

Yep, me too Scotty, I filled up yesterday for 118.9 which is the highest per litre price I have ever paid

... then today the price drops 2c!

I paid $1.45 per litre on the Nullarbor

minigolf · Oct 28th, 2004, 11:14 AM

Aye Carumba ... still that's better than no petrol!

poki · Oct 28th, 2004, 12:47 PM

I just paid 122.1

Anyone know the going rate for a kidney?

7nut · Oct 28th, 2004, 01:01 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by CanberraCooperS

yes well the reality of all fuels is that yes they all go off. I know that optimax is supposed to create alot of carbon. you can see that as they use optimax in the V8Supercars, they all ploom out black smoke under power, yet many teams have tested other fuels and state that there is nothing comming out using the BP and others premium unleadeds

I thought the V8's used pump premium also, but it seems not. Shell have a blend of premium unleaded for the V8's and "other CAMS classes" called Shell Unleaded Research Gasoline (CAMS A).

Maybe the only difference is it is 98ron but you never know....

Oct 27th, 2004, 11:37 PM	#1
CanberraCooperS Gone Old School Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canberra Local Time: 07:31 AM Posts: 746 Offline	100 octane Fuel for Canberra?? Was speaking to my former boss who owns the service station at the airport. He is attempting to get Caltex to let him sell the new 100 octane Platinum(as they call it) fuel. Supposivly this is good stuff and is nie on the same fuel you can buy in Japan. Nothing 100% confirmed yet, but he usually doesn't say this unless he has access to it. But the testing done on this fuel indicated that STI's and all those imports that have been detuned for Aussie fuel really excel on this fuel and it has a lower carbon deposit factor than the Optimax. All sounds good to me. Will keep all Canberran's up to date with the news when i get it

Oct 28th, 2004, 01:14 AM	#5 (permalink)
Todd! Boy who made the wolf cry Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Geelong, Vic, Aus Local Time: 06:31 AM Posts: 10,450 Offline	Apparantly Optimax loses octane at a rate of 1ron perday as it sits in a tank... Someone once told me that... not sure how tre it was, but my car runs OK on Optimax. The Ultimate is quite limited in its availablity in Geelong - 1 BP station out of 9 have it - unlike Optimax which is available at all Shell servo's... To get to the BP from my house I have to go past 2 Shells and I Mobil... IF I head in a different direction, I go past 2 Shells, 2 Mobils, 1 caltex, 1 APCO (dont ask), 1 BP without it.... So you can see why I use Shell most of the time!! Todd PROJECT POLARIS - Die Wiedergeburt eines kultautos

Oct 28th, 2004, 02:21 AM	#10 (permalink)
Todd! Boy who made the wolf cry Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Geelong, Vic, Aus Local Time: 06:31 AM Posts: 10,450 Offline	Interesetingly enough, where my dad got his Cobra built, they only use Mobil 8000... They built the motor and dyno'd a car - Red camaro Z28 - IOOOHP - from street machine about 6 issues back... It made significantly more power using Synergy 8000... like 25hp!! They also found when they pulled the motor down after using Optimax, there was a fair bit of carbon build up... so they told dad to use 8000 as much as he could... I heard a rumour that Mobil were coming up with a 100 Octane fule also - cant remember what it was called though... Todd PROJECT POLARIS - Die Wiedergeburt eines kultautos

Oct 28th, 2004, 04:47 AM	#13 (permalink)
martymini MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Perth Local Time: 04:31 AM Posts: 39 Offline	Oh to be able to choose. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on which way you look at it) we are only able to get Ultimate in the West. Every BP servo appears to have it and on every pump. Wonder if the others will try and compete? Cheapest price today for it in Perth is 113.9cpl. : :

Oct 28th, 2004, 05:56 AM	#14 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 07:31 AM Posts: 13,849 Offline	No Mobil Synergy 8000 in Canberra, well, that I know of anyway. Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

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Oct 27th, 2004, 11:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
enzothemaddog Un-Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Train Station Toilet Local Time: 06:31 AM Posts: 2,067 Offline	I've never heard of this, sounds like a new MTH program will be needed soon

Oct 28th, 2004, 12:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
IML337 saving the world Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Local Time: 06:31 AM Posts: 2,931 Offline	yeah I've not heard of this fuel either - sounds good if it happens though!

Oct 28th, 2004, 01:05 AM	#4 (permalink)
7nut MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2004 Local Time: 06:31 AM Posts: 69 Offline	A mate of mine has brought over his car from the UK that was mapped on Optimax there and he's been having problems with it here pinging... So borrowed an octane tester from Sydney Uni and did some testing. Took 5 samples of Optimax from multiple garages ranging from the Northern Suburbs to Western Sydney never got over 93.2 ron with the worst result was 89.4 ron. He did a test on one sample of BP ultimate and it came out at 98.5 ron. He's waiting to see what Shell say when they reply to the letter he's sent them.

Oct 28th, 2004, 02:09 AM	#6 (permalink)
CanberraCooperS Gone Old School Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canberra Local Time: 07:31 AM Posts: 746 Offline	yes well the reality of all fuels is that yes they all go off. I know that optimax is supposed to create alot of carbon. you can see that as they use optimax in the V8Supercars, they all ploom out black smoke under power, yet many teams have tested other fuels and state that there is nothing comming out using the BP and others premium unleadeds

Oct 28th, 2004, 02:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
MickyD MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Local Time: 07:31 AM Posts: 3,628 Offline	i've been told on numerous occasions that Ultimate is a MINIMUM of 98, and optimax is an AVERAGE of 98.... ultimate also has a lot less sulfur in it (as in about 90% less or something like that). I only use ultimate, but that's 'cos I've got a BP fuel card. (and a caltex one which I've only ever used on the Eden trip.... there are NO BP's in that part of the world)

Oct 28th, 2004, 02:18 AM	#8 (permalink)
IML337 saving the world Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Local Time: 06:31 AM Posts: 2,931 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MickyD I only use ultimate, but that's 'cos I've got a BP fuel card. (and a caltex one which I've only ever used on the Eden trip.... there are NO BP's in that part of the world) Just as an aside, I got an email the other day, BP will no longer be discouting Premium fuel purchased using a BP card party's over - but it was good while it lasted

Oct 28th, 2004, 02:20 AM	#9 (permalink)
MickyD MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Local Time: 07:31 AM Posts: 3,628 Offline	didn't even realise I got a discount now.... apart from it all being pre-tax of course

Oct 28th, 2004, 04:40 AM	#11 (permalink)
new skool what was the speed limit? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: melbourne australia Local Time: 06:31 AM Posts: 104 Offline	yeah im with todd, the only fuel i will put in my car is mobil syn 8000..optimax is and burns your cat out..Even when i had my gti-r running 25psi i was using the mobil fuel and did dyno tests between fuels ( yep helps having a mate with a dyno late on friday nights ) and saw plain and simple that the mobil fuel out performs optimax easy..if you want more ron go but a drum of the HKS booster it will put your fuel to 104ron

Oct 28th, 2004, 04:45 AM	#12 (permalink)
swamos MINI Traitor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Local Time: 06:31 AM Posts: 4,985 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by 7nut A mate of mine has brought over his car from the UK that was mapped on Optimax there and he's been having problems with it here pinging... So borrowed an octane tester from Sydney Uni and did some testing. Took 5 samples of Optimax from multiple garages ranging from the Northern Suburbs to Western Sydney never got over 93.2 ron with the worst result was 89.4 ron. He did a test on one sample of BP ultimate and it came out at 98.5 ron. He's waiting to see what Shell say when they reply to the letter he's sent them. A friend works for a motor bike importer. They were having trouble with their bikes pinging. The specs out of Japan said they ran fine on 89-90RON so it was a big mystery. They did a similar test and found what you're talking about. When they did the testing, premium (specs = 96) was lucky to get to around 90-91. Fuel bough from independent retailers could be as low as 80. They now specify premium in all their bikes Just a word on Ultimate exceeding specification, I went to a fuel talk by them recently. I asked why my lotus that I had carefully tuned had recently started pinging, and they said when they started refining it was actually 100RON, and as volume increased they had reduced it to specifations.

Oct 28th, 2004, 06:58 AM	#15 (permalink)
ScottyB Take me down to Paradise My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: David McGhan's World Local Time: 07:31 AM Posts: 192,103 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by martymini Cheapest price today for it in Perth is 113.9cpl. For Ultimate? wow. I filled up last night for 1.19... - Global Moderator - MY BLOG - Global Procrastinator - ... Buying the 8C for its dynamic abilities is like buying a porn film for its plot ...

Oct 28th, 2004, 07:36 AM	#16 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 07:31 AM Posts: 13,849 Offline	Yep, me too Scotty, I filled up yesterday for 118.9 which is the highest per litre price I have ever paid ... then today the price drops 2c! Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

Oct 28th, 2004, 09:26 AM	#17 (permalink)
Mike Clarke You are number 6 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Perth WA Local Time: 05:31 AM Posts: 5,065 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minigolf Yep, me too Scotty, I filled up yesterday for 118.9 which is the highest per litre price I have ever paid ... then today the price drops 2c! I paid $1.45 per litre on the Nullarbor

Oct 28th, 2004, 11:14 AM	#18 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 07:31 AM Posts: 13,849 Offline	Aye Carumba ... still that's better than no petrol! Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

Oct 28th, 2004, 12:47 PM	#19 (permalink)
poki Whatev. Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 07:31 AM Posts: 2,885 Offline	I just paid 122.1 Anyone know the going rate for a kidney?

Oct 28th, 2004, 01:01 PM	#20 (permalink)
7nut MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2004 Local Time: 06:31 AM Posts: 69 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by CanberraCooperS yes well the reality of all fuels is that yes they all go off. I know that optimax is supposed to create alot of carbon. you can see that as they use optimax in the V8Supercars, they all ploom out black smoke under power, yet many teams have tested other fuels and state that there is nothing comming out using the BP and others premium unleadeds I thought the V8's used pump premium also, but it seems not. Shell have a blend of premium unleaded for the V8's and "other CAMS classes" called Shell Unleaded Research Gasoline (CAMS A). Maybe the only difference is it is 98ron but you never know....

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