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CanberraCooperS · Mar 2nd, 2005, 05:38 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by AndrewH

My parents have many a family pet buried in their back garden as a result of coming off second best against snakes

. I have always wondered why sheep rarely if ever seem to be bitten. They walk through long grass all day and stick their faces in to eat it yet they don't end up dead

Your forgetting sheep travel in groups Andrew... they rarely would be alone in a area where the snakes are.... Snakes hate lots on noise so a flock would make to much noise...

Horses are the same... they are very heavy footed and make to much noise.

AndrewH · Mar 2nd, 2005, 05:58 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by CanberraCooperS

Your forgetting sheep travel in groups Andrew... they rarely would be alone in a area where the snakes are.... Snakes hate lots on noise so a flock would make to much noise...

Horses are the same... they are very heavy footed and make to much noise.

Yeah, I suppose. Sheep are so stupid they probably wouldn't even realise they had been bitten

If you have ever tried to muster a flock of sheep that have phalaris staggers, you'll know what I'm talking about.

scooperman_uk · Mar 2nd, 2005, 06:08 AM

yikes.. interesting thread...

whats the difference between a snake bite and envenomerating? lost me there?

gazah · Mar 2nd, 2005, 07:48 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by scooperman_uk

whats the difference between a snake bite and envenomerating? lost me there?

a bite is a bite, but envenomation is when the venom is injected also

i can't remember the numbers, but envenomation only occurs in a percentage of bites, the vast majority don't... sometimes the snake doesn't release venom, or in other cases the skin isn't breached

robbo mcs · Mar 2nd, 2005, 08:10 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by AndrewH

I have always wondered why sheep rarely if ever seem to be bitten. They walk through long grass all day and stick their faces in to eat it yet they don't end up dead

Hi,

It all comes back to the theory that most snakes want to see you as much as you want to see them, ie they want to get away.

If a sheep sees a snake, it will probably jump out of the way, or run away, and the snake will run in the opposite direction and hide, and everybody is happy and still alive

Likewise a horse will run away.

Have you ever heard the phrase "curiosity killed the cat". I know from experience with my cats (and to lesser degrees dogs) that they will not run away. Like the story of "Meggsie" the ginger cat, cats will actively chase, catch and then play with a captured snake. No wonder they get bitten

Dogs are the same, to a lesser degree. End result, the snake gets mauled, and probably dies, and the cat gets bitten and probably dies

Cheers

Robbo

Magictux · Mar 2nd, 2005, 08:56 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by AndrewH

Ha ha ha for some reason that brings to mind an episode of the Simpson’s where Homer takes Bart to the gay steel works and one of the guys gets a spark in his hair and he is dancing on tiptoes flapping his hands in the air saying get it off get it off in a really camp voice.

That's me to a tee when I see a snake!

Harry Morant · Mar 4th, 2005, 12:39 PM

I'm guessing that sheep do get bitten - when you have 10000 sheep on a farm and one dies you don't really investigate why - if a cow, dog, horse or cat dies thats another story. I know of farmers who inject their animals with 100cc of liquid vitamin C if they suspect them of having been bitten. They reckon it works. Humans however stick with bandaging, doctors and antivenom.

FUNSIZE · Mar 7th, 2005, 01:15 PM

I love your snake tales!

I have a very unexciting one:

I nearly stepped onto a Baby dougat, barefeet mind you, some years ago... but I was so new to here, that I didn't get scared...

Then I started working in the country, and people started telling me not to lift any stones and rocks, because that's where they're supposed to live. So I started to lift every bloody stone and rock I could find, but to no avail.... So I came to the conclusion, that it's all a big lie... There are no snakes in Australia other than in the zoo...

I'll probably have to make do with this really short baby dougat encounter

AndrewH · Mar 7th, 2005, 08:51 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by FUNSIZE

So I started to lift every bloody stone and rock I could find, but to no avail....

Ha ha ha, that's the spirit

When we were kids, my brother and I would go and throw rocks at one of the bee hives out at my parents place and then wonder why a huge swarm of angry bees would chase us down the paddocks

Nothing like growing up on the land - I feel sorry for all you people that grew up in the city

FUNSIZE · Mar 8th, 2005, 05:49 AM

A new country story comes to my mind:

I worked in Wyalkatchem (wheat belt region WA) for a while, and I was allowed to bring my dog to keep me company... Anyways, we were sitting in front of the TV (Billie and I) when I saw something crawling towards us. Presuming it was a bull ant and not wanting my dog to get bitten (that's the kind of girl I am) I caught it before Billie could (again with my bare hands...)... only to find out I actually caught a scorpion

.
I put it in a cup, without getting stung and was very excited about my catch (and my luck!), and 5 min. later I caught a second one (with a cup this time). I put the two together in one cup so they could keep each other company, but they didn't like each other at all

.....

FUNSIZE · Mar 8th, 2005, 06:51 AM

...
Before I set the scorpions free I had to study them for a bit of course:
I put them in the fridge, they stopped fighting, I put them in the warm living room, they got REALLY ******ed off with each other.
The next day I figured, that if I put them in a puddle I might run the other direction to get out of their way in time... only to see, that they couldn't swim (stupid!)... so I caught them again with my bare hands (stupid!) to save them... again more luck than brain (phew!).

The staff in the hospital I worked for in Wyalkatchem later told me, that these scorpions weren't half as dangerous as the giant millipede I had caught some days earlier

... which they wanted to kill... what I didn't let them do of course...

FUNSIZE · Mar 8th, 2005, 06:59 AM

I'd love to see a snake in the wild...

But then again, I might get so enthusiastic, that I'd forget all safety precautions

and get hurt... Billie's the same...

AndrewH · Mar 8th, 2005, 07:22 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by FUNSIZE

...
Before I set the scorpions free I had to study them for a bit of course:
I put them in the fridge, they stopped fighting,

Ha ha ha, that's great, perhaps they should do that with people that can't be civilised with each other

FUNSIZE · Mar 8th, 2005, 07:29 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by AndrewH

Ha ha ha, that's great, perhaps they should do that with people that can't be civilised with each other

Yeah... suppose it would "cool" them right down and they'd be "cool" with everything

Let's start with G. Bush jun.

Smurfn · Mar 8th, 2005, 08:37 AM

I've had 1 baby black snake in the pool shed of our new house so far

FUNSIZE · Mar 8th, 2005, 08:39 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by smurfn

I've had 1 baby black snake in the pool shed of our new house so far

What did you do with it?

Smurfn · Mar 8th, 2005, 08:41 AM

Watched it slither away in to the garden, then went and adjusted the pool pump, then jumped back in the pool.

All the time my 3 year old son was coming over saying "I want to see he snake"

Magictux · Mar 8th, 2005, 08:58 AM

In the mid 80's my next door neighbour had a '410 ' shotgun which was pretty much known as a snake gun. We had a reserve behind our properties and I'd often hear him firing away in his back yard. I don't know that he'd get away with it these days...

It's a funny thing but I can have spiders crawling on me but can't stand to be within 10 metres of a snake. If I'd have been Andrew (as described in the first post) I'd have jumped up and had a hissy fit. Like the cartoons, if there had been a wall for instance I'd have left a 'cut out' of Tux as I ran through it..

AndrewH · Mar 8th, 2005, 10:47 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by smurfn

All the time my 3 year old son was coming over saying "I want to see he snake"

kids are so funny sometimes

Quote: Originally Posted by Magictux

In the mid 80's my next door neighbour had a '410 ' shotgun which was pretty much known as a snake gun. We had a reserve behind our properties and I'd often hear him firing away in his back yard.

Ah the old 410 - they're fantastic snake guns. Mum and Dad literally have about 3 1.5" holes in their front veranda after dad got a bit carried away disposing of a snake with the 410 a few years ago

For some reason, that reminded me of a couple of years earlier when my brother decided to try and shoot a rat in one of the sheds. He managed to blow a 2 inch hole in the wall, but that wasn't the worst part, we hadn't realised Dad was standing on the other side

. Man, the verbal abuse that we copped that day would have made a sailor blush. Honestly, sometimes I wonder how he and my brother managed to survive this long.

obehave · Mar 8th, 2005, 11:53 AM

Snakes are deaf

You guys are reinforcing why my wife doesn't want to visit Oz

Mar 2nd, 2005, 05:58 AM	#42 (permalink)
AndrewH Were there Oompa loompas? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canberra Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 4,209 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by CanberraCooperS Your forgetting sheep travel in groups Andrew... they rarely would be alone in a area where the snakes are.... Snakes hate lots on noise so a flock would make to much noise... Horses are the same... they are very heavy footed and make to much noise. Yeah, I suppose. Sheep are so stupid they probably wouldn't even realise they had been bitten If you have ever tried to muster a flock of sheep that have phalaris staggers, you'll know what I'm talking about. Jan 06 MCS Checkmate

Mar 2nd, 2005, 07:48 AM	#44 (permalink)
gazah M2 Procrastinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: sydney, OZ! Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 2,045 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by scooperman_uk whats the difference between a snake bite and envenomerating? lost me there? a bite is a bite, but envenomation is when the venom is injected also i can't remember the numbers, but envenomation only occurs in a percentage of bites, the vast majority don't... sometimes the snake doesn't release venom, or in other cases the skin isn't breached come MOTOR with clubMINI

Mar 2nd, 2005, 08:10 AM	#45 (permalink)
robbo mcs Track Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sydney Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 2,668 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by AndrewH I have always wondered why sheep rarely if ever seem to be bitten. They walk through long grass all day and stick their faces in to eat it yet they don't end up dead Hi, It all comes back to the theory that most snakes want to see you as much as you want to see them, ie they want to get away. If a sheep sees a snake, it will probably jump out of the way, or run away, and the snake will run in the opposite direction and hide, and everybody is happy and still alive Likewise a horse will run away. Have you ever heard the phrase "curiosity killed the cat". I know from experience with my cats (and to lesser degrees dogs) that they will not run away. Like the story of "Meggsie" the ginger cat, cats will actively chase, catch and then play with a captured snake. No wonder they get bitten Dogs are the same, to a lesser degree. End result, the snake gets mauled, and probably dies, and the cat gets bitten and probably dies Cheers Robbo Mods: GO MADDIE and SPARKY!

Mar 7th, 2005, 01:15 PM	#48 (permalink)
FUNSIZE Big mouth strikes again Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perth, Western Austr Local Time: 10:30 PM Posts: 1,806 Offline	I love your snake tales! I have a very unexciting one: I nearly stepped onto a Baby dougat, barefeet mind you, some years ago... but I was so new to here, that I didn't get scared... Then I started working in the country, and people started telling me not to lift any stones and rocks, because that's where they're supposed to live. So I started to lift every bloody stone and rock I could find, but to no avail.... So I came to the conclusion, that it's all a big lie... There are no snakes in Australia other than in the zoo... I'll probably have to make do with this really short baby dougat encounter Last edited by FUNSIZE : Mar 8th, 2005 at 05:51 AM.

Mar 7th, 2005, 08:51 PM	#49 (permalink)
AndrewH Were there Oompa loompas? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canberra Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 4,209 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by FUNSIZE So I started to lift every bloody stone and rock I could find, but to no avail.... Ha ha ha, that's the spirit When we were kids, my brother and I would go and throw rocks at one of the bee hives out at my parents place and then wonder why a huge swarm of angry bees would chase us down the paddocks Nothing like growing up on the land - I feel sorry for all you people that grew up in the city Jan 06 MCS Checkmate

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Mar 2nd, 2005, 05:38 AM	#41
CanberraCooperS Gone Old School Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canberra Local Time: 01:30 AM Posts: 777 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by AndrewH My parents have many a family pet buried in their back garden as a result of coming off second best against snakes . I have always wondered why sheep rarely if ever seem to be bitten. They walk through long grass all day and stick their faces in to eat it yet they don't end up dead Your forgetting sheep travel in groups Andrew... they rarely would be alone in a area where the snakes are.... Snakes hate lots on noise so a flock would make to much noise... Horses are the same... they are very heavy footed and make to much noise.

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Mar 2nd, 2005, 06:08 AM	#43 (permalink)
scooperman_uk almost 59k Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reading / Berks / Uk Local Time: 03:30 PM Posts: 5,242 Offline	yikes.. interesting thread... whats the difference between a snake bite and envenomerating? lost me there?

Mar 2nd, 2005, 08:56 AM	#46 (permalink)
Magictux -Mr T- Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Goulburn NSW Oz Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 1,856 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by AndrewH Ha ha ha for some reason that brings to mind an episode of the Simpson’s where Homer takes Bart to the gay steel works and one of the guys gets a spark in his hair and he is dancing on tiptoes flapping his hands in the air saying get it off get it off in a really camp voice. That's me to a tee when I see a snake!

Mar 4th, 2005, 12:39 PM	#47 (permalink)
Harry Morant The Iron Pyrite Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canberra ACT Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 835 Offline	I'm guessing that sheep do get bitten - when you have 10000 sheep on a farm and one dies you don't really investigate why - if a cow, dog, horse or cat dies thats another story. I know of farmers who inject their animals with 100cc of liquid vitamin C if they suspect them of having been bitten. They reckon it works. Humans however stick with bandaging, doctors and antivenom.

Mar 8th, 2005, 05:49 AM	#50 (permalink)
FUNSIZE Big mouth strikes again Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perth, Western Austr Local Time: 10:30 PM Posts: 1,806 Offline	A new country story comes to my mind: I worked in Wyalkatchem (wheat belt region WA) for a while, and I was allowed to bring my dog to keep me company... Anyways, we were sitting in front of the TV (Billie and I) when I saw something crawling towards us. Presuming it was a bull ant and not wanting my dog to get bitten (that's the kind of girl I am) I caught it before Billie could (again with my bare hands...)... only to find out I actually caught a scorpion . I put it in a cup, without getting stung and was very excited about my catch (and my luck!), and 5 min. later I caught a second one (with a cup this time). I put the two together in one cup so they could keep each other company, but they didn't like each other at all .....

Mar 8th, 2005, 06:51 AM	#51 (permalink)
FUNSIZE Big mouth strikes again Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perth, Western Austr Local Time: 10:30 PM Posts: 1,806 Offline	... Before I set the scorpions free I had to study them for a bit of course: I put them in the fridge, they stopped fighting, I put them in the warm living room, they got REALLY ******ed off with each other. The next day I figured, that if I put them in a puddle I might run the other direction to get out of their way in time... only to see, that they couldn't swim (stupid!)... so I caught them again with my bare hands (stupid!) to save them... again more luck than brain (phew!). The staff in the hospital I worked for in Wyalkatchem later told me, that these scorpions weren't half as dangerous as the giant millipede I had caught some days earlier ... which they wanted to kill... what I didn't let them do of course...

Mar 8th, 2005, 06:59 AM	#52 (permalink)
FUNSIZE Big mouth strikes again Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perth, Western Austr Local Time: 10:30 PM Posts: 1,806 Offline	I'd love to see a snake in the wild... But then again, I might get so enthusiastic, that I'd forget all safety precautions and get hurt... Billie's the same... Attached Thumbnails

Mar 8th, 2005, 07:22 AM	#53 (permalink)
AndrewH Were there Oompa loompas? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canberra Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 4,209 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by FUNSIZE ... Before I set the scorpions free I had to study them for a bit of course: I put them in the fridge, they stopped fighting, Ha ha ha, that's great, perhaps they should do that with people that can't be civilised with each other Jan 06 MCS Checkmate

Mar 8th, 2005, 07:29 AM	#54 (permalink)
FUNSIZE Big mouth strikes again Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perth, Western Austr Local Time: 10:30 PM Posts: 1,806 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by AndrewH Ha ha ha, that's great, perhaps they should do that with people that can't be civilised with each other Yeah... suppose it would "cool" them right down and they'd be "cool" with everything Let's start with G. Bush jun.

Mar 8th, 2005, 08:37 AM	#55 (permalink)
Smurfn Smurfing Around Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Newcastle, NSW Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 42,678 Offline	I've had 1 baby black snake in the pool shed of our new house so far http://www.flickr.com/photos/cheezelsmurf/

Mar 8th, 2005, 08:39 AM	#56 (permalink)
FUNSIZE Big mouth strikes again Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perth, Western Austr Local Time: 10:30 PM Posts: 1,806 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by smurfn I've had 1 baby black snake in the pool shed of our new house so far What did you do with it?

Mar 8th, 2005, 08:41 AM	#57 (permalink)
Smurfn Smurfing Around Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Newcastle, NSW Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 42,678 Offline	Watched it slither away in to the garden, then went and adjusted the pool pump, then jumped back in the pool. All the time my 3 year old son was coming over saying "I want to see he snake" http://www.flickr.com/photos/cheezelsmurf/

Mar 8th, 2005, 08:58 AM	#58 (permalink)
Magictux -Mr T- Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Goulburn NSW Oz Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 1,856 Offline	In the mid 80's my next door neighbour had a '410 ' shotgun which was pretty much known as a snake gun. We had a reserve behind our properties and I'd often hear him firing away in his back yard. I don't know that he'd get away with it these days... It's a funny thing but I can have spiders crawling on me but can't stand to be within 10 metres of a snake. If I'd have been Andrew (as described in the first post) I'd have jumped up and had a hissy fit. Like the cartoons, if there had been a wall for instance I'd have left a 'cut out' of Tux as I ran through it..

Mar 8th, 2005, 10:47 AM	#59 (permalink)
AndrewH Were there Oompa loompas? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canberra Local Time: 12:30 AM Posts: 4,209 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by smurfn All the time my 3 year old son was coming over saying "I want to see he snake" kids are so funny sometimes Quote: Originally Posted by Magictux In the mid 80's my next door neighbour had a '410 ' shotgun which was pretty much known as a snake gun. We had a reserve behind our properties and I'd often hear him firing away in his back yard. Ah the old 410 - they're fantastic snake guns. Mum and Dad literally have about 3 1.5" holes in their front veranda after dad got a bit carried away disposing of a snake with the 410 a few years ago For some reason, that reminded me of a couple of years earlier when my brother decided to try and shoot a rat in one of the sheds. He managed to blow a 2 inch hole in the wall, but that wasn't the worst part, we hadn't realised Dad was standing on the other side . Man, the verbal abuse that we copped that day would have made a sailor blush. Honestly, sometimes I wonder how he and my brother managed to survive this long. Jan 06 MCS Checkmate

Mar 8th, 2005, 11:53 AM	#60 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 10:30 AM Posts: 9,388 Offline	Snakes are deaf You guys are reinforcing why my wife doesn't want to visit Oz

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