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kad · Apr 30th, 2005, 03:43 AM

I needed a new NCT5 195/55R16 yesterday. Everyone in Brisbane is out and cant get stock until the end of May. The comes after having to wait in Melboune for 4 days (at mini assists expence) waiting for a NCT5.

So I replaced both my fronts with Dunlop 3000a's and have a NCT5 which I payed $320 for in Melbourne with 5% wear sitting in my garage!

Why are these tyres in such short supply?

Ok, thats my whinge for the month

minigolf · Apr 30th, 2005, 06:33 AM

Do yourself a favour and buy yourself a set of non-runcraps.

AndrewH · Apr 30th, 2005, 07:42 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by kad

So I replaced both my fronts with Dunlop 3000a's and have a NCT5 which I payed $320 for in Melbourne

$320, Ouch

. I phoned around late last year and I was quoted $275 for the runflat NCT5's. I ended up biting the bullet and getting some non-runflat Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3's in 205/50-16 (for 16" X-lites). At $195, they were a fair bit cheaper than the NCT5's and so far I've been pretty happy with them.

kad · Apr 30th, 2005, 07:50 AM

Yes, I have non-runflats now.

I paid a premium due to the fact that the dealer KNEW we needed a tyre in a hurry and they were the only people able to source them quickly (they had one in stock). We were stuck there over NYE

Do new tyres like the 3000a have a 'wear in' period? I noticed a fair but of understeer in a test run this morning.

MickyD · Apr 30th, 2005, 08:20 AM

usually the first 50k or so it's a good idea to take it easy, until the release compound comes off the tyres. Either that or rip a 50m long burnout when leaving the tyre shop

Might be worth checking the pressures too, I usually find the tyre shops just fill them to the placard pressure, which is more for comfort than handling...

geist · Apr 30th, 2005, 08:37 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MickyD

usually the first 50k or so it's a good idea to take it easy, until the release compound comes off the tyres. Either that or rip a 50m long burnout when leaving the tyre shop

Might be worth checking the pressures too, I usually find the tyre shops just fill them to the placard pressure, which is more for comfort than handling...

50k

What your tyres last that long !!!!

Had mine 2 years done 22000 miles and had to replace the fronts alreeady

On a more serious note can I put 205's on to the standard 16" alloys, are they cheaper and better than run flats (considering replacing mine) also has anyone used the mobility pack and does it work ????

kad · Apr 30th, 2005, 08:42 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by geist

50k

What your tyres last that long !!!!

Had mine 2 years done 22000 miles and had to replace the fronts alreeady

On a more serious note can I put 205's on to the standard 16" alloys, are they cheaper and better than run flats (considering replacing mine) also has anyone used the mobility pack and does it work ????

I think he means 50kms, not 50,000 kms

I got 205's put on. Cost me $199 a shoe.

minigolf · Apr 30th, 2005, 09:04 AM

On tyre pressures the guys doing the instructing at the MINIkhana said they all run their cars at 40psi, saying that it gives the tyre a better grip on the rim and better fuel economy also.

To me 40psi was quite high, I usually run my tyres at 36psi all round, but will give 40psi a go and see what happens.

AndrewH · Apr 30th, 2005, 09:56 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by geist

On a more serious note can I put 205's on to the standard 16" alloys, are they cheaper and better than run flats (considering replacing mine) also has anyone used the mobility pack and does it work ????

Yep, you most certainly can.

205/50-16 is the one to go for as it has a rolling circumference very similar to the OEM 195/55-16. I think from memory the 205's are about 1.5% smaller than stock which means that your speedo reads slightly fast but 1.5% is still well within the 3% (I think it's 3) legal limit.

n00b · Apr 30th, 2005, 11:05 AM

Think it's +/- 10%...but that could be wrong.

21Blue · Apr 30th, 2005, 12:26 PM

A replacement 215/50/16 tyre would be best suited to the OEM 195/55/16 tyre. It's rolling diameter is only 0.1% off!

This website helps calculate rolling diameters...
http://www.eunos.com/tirecalc/

About the unavailibility of the NCT 5's...I phoned a tyre centre about 2 weeks ago, and he told me that the Dunlop runflats were much cheaper and better than the Goodyears, it sounded like the goodyears don't sell well, thats probably why they aren't in stock...

2bob · Apr 30th, 2005, 12:37 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 21Blue

A replacement 215/50/16 tyre would be best suited to the OEM 195/55/16 tyre. It's rolling diameter is only 0.1% off!

This website helps calculate rolling diameters...
http://www.eunos.com/tirecalc/

About the unavailibility of the NCT 5's...I phoned a tyre centre about 2 weeks ago, and he told me that the Dunlop runflats were much cheaper and better than the Goodyears, it sounded like the goodyears don't sell well, thats probably why they aren't in stock...

Why waste time trying to find runflat S tyres-buy normal tyres and a can of goo -better tyres and less cost/

21Blue · Apr 30th, 2005, 01:13 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 2bob

Why waste time trying to find runflat S tyres-buy normal tyres and a can of goo -better tyres and less cost/

I wanted to know which of the runflat tyres were the better of the 2, cos my dealer told me that the 16" 7-fin spoke alloys thats coming on my Mini have Dunlop rubber. It was a quick phone call to a tyre dealer that a neighbour works at, and he said that If I must have runflats on the car, the Dunlops would be better.

I hope that I do get Dunlops with the 7-fin spoke alloys, cos the other day I saw a MCC with the same wheels but had Goodyears....

AndrewH · May 1st, 2005, 12:46 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by 21Blue

A replacement 215/50/16 tyre would be best suited to the OEM 195/55/16 tyre. It's rolling diameter is only 0.1% off!

This website helps calculate rolling diameters...
http://www.eunos.com/tirecalc/

About the unavailibility of the NCT 5's...I phoned a tyre centre about 2 weeks ago, and he told me that the Dunlop runflats were much cheaper and better than the Goodyears, it sounded like the goodyears don't sell well, thats probably why they aren't in stock...

Don't you have to go 215/45-16 not 215/50-16?

Most of the available brands seem to be in 205/50-16 http://www.mini2.com/forum/faq.php?f...cement_t ires

Mike Clarke · May 1st, 2005, 01:06 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by AndrewH

Don't you have to go 215/45-16 not 215/50-16?

Most of the available brands seem to be in 205/50-16 http://www.mini2.com/forum/faq.php?faq=faq_wheels_tyres#faq_faq_replacement_t ires

all the acceptable sizes are listed in the above mentioned FAQ

here is an extract of the 16s
215/45-16 - 599.9 mm
195/50-16 - 601.4 mm
225/45-16 - 608.9 mm
205/50-16 - 611.4 mm
195/55-16 - 620.9 mm
215/50-16 - 621.4 mm

205/50-16 is the most popular replacement size

Smurfn · May 1st, 2005, 03:04 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by kad

Yes, I have non-runflats now.

I paid a premium due to the fact that the dealer KNEW we needed a tyre in a hurry and they were the only people able to source them quickly (they had one in stock). We were stuck there over NYE

Do new tyres like the 3000a have a 'wear in' period? I noticed a fair but of understeer in a test run this morning.

I thought the wear in period was ~ 200km

Smurfn · May 1st, 2005, 03:06 AM

I had the same problem when I needed to replace the fronts, having had the Eagles. Couldn't get any anywhere. Didn't want to drive on balding tyres, so got Michelin Pilot Precedas 205/50/16 non runflats. Very happy with them so far

minigolf · May 1st, 2005, 03:52 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by smurfn

I thought the wear in period was ~ 200km

I thought that too Jason, but in the Wheels tyre test they make a comment that supports Micky's recommendation. They say you only need to give the tyres 30-40kms. But I like Micky's burnout suggestions a bit better.

AndrewH · May 1st, 2005, 06:29 AM

The Tire tech/general tire info section of tirerack.com has some interesting (or not so interesting - depending on your point of view) info on tyres. The following was taken from the Breaking in your tires article in the Additional tire tech articles section. Enjoy

Quote: Originally Posted by tireract.com

Tires are comprised of many layers of rubber, steel and fabric. Due to these different components, your new tires require a "break-in" period to ensure that they deliver their normal ride quality and maximum performance. As tires are cured, a "release lubricant" is applied to prevent them from sticking in their mold. Some of the lubricant stays on the surface of your tires, reducing traction until it is worn away. Five hundred miles (

) of easy acceleration, cornering and braking will allow the mold release lubricant to wear off, allowing the other tire components to begin working together. It is also important to note that your old tires probably had very little tread depth remaining when you felt it was time to replace them. As any autocrosser or racer who has tread rubber shaved off of his tires will tell you "low tread depth tires respond quicker." Don't be surprised if your new tires are a little slower to respond (even if you use the exact same tire as before). Their new, full depth brings with it a little more tread squirm until they wear down.

minigolf · May 1st, 2005, 06:32 AM

Interesting Andrew. Thanks for that.

Apr 30th, 2005, 03:43 AM	#1
kad MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2004 Local Time: 06:36 AM Posts: 46 Offline	Eagle NCT5's not available til end of May I needed a new NCT5 195/55R16 yesterday. Everyone in Brisbane is out and cant get stock until the end of May. The comes after having to wait in Melboune for 4 days (at mini assists expence) waiting for a NCT5. So I replaced both my fronts with Dunlop 3000a's and have a NCT5 which I payed $320 for in Melbourne with 5% wear sitting in my garage! Why are these tyres in such short supply? Ok, thats my whinge for the month

Apr 30th, 2005, 06:33 AM	#2 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 07:36 AM Posts: 13,849 Offline	Do yourself a favour and buy yourself a set of non-runcraps. Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

Apr 30th, 2005, 07:42 AM	#3 (permalink)
AndrewH Were there Oompa loompas? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canberra Local Time: 07:36 AM Posts: 4,181 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by kad So I replaced both my fronts with Dunlop 3000a's and have a NCT5 which I payed $320 for in Melbourne $320, Ouch . I phoned around late last year and I was quoted $275 for the runflat NCT5's. I ended up biting the bullet and getting some non-runflat Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3's in 205/50-16 (for 16" X-lites). At $195, they were a fair bit cheaper than the NCT5's and so far I've been pretty happy with them. Jan 06 MCS Checkmate

Apr 30th, 2005, 09:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 07:36 AM Posts: 13,849 Offline	On tyre pressures the guys doing the instructing at the MINIkhana said they all run their cars at 40psi, saying that it gives the tyre a better grip on the rim and better fuel economy also. To me 40psi was quite high, I usually run my tyres at 36psi all round, but will give 40psi a go and see what happens. Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

Apr 30th, 2005, 09:56 AM	#9 (permalink)
AndrewH Were there Oompa loompas? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canberra Local Time: 07:36 AM Posts: 4,181 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by geist On a more serious note can I put 205's on to the standard 16" alloys, are they cheaper and better than run flats (considering replacing mine) also has anyone used the mobility pack and does it work ???? Yep, you most certainly can. 205/50-16 is the one to go for as it has a rolling circumference very similar to the OEM 195/55-16. I think from memory the 205's are about 1.5% smaller than stock which means that your speedo reads slightly fast but 1.5% is still well within the 3% (I think it's 3) legal limit. Jan 06 MCS Checkmate

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Apr 30th, 2005, 07:50 AM	#4 (permalink)
kad MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2004 Local Time: 06:36 AM Posts: 46 Offline	Yes, I have non-runflats now. I paid a premium due to the fact that the dealer KNEW we needed a tyre in a hurry and they were the only people able to source them quickly (they had one in stock). We were stuck there over NYE Do new tyres like the 3000a have a 'wear in' period? I noticed a fair but of understeer in a test run this morning.

Apr 30th, 2005, 08:20 AM	#5 (permalink)
MickyD MINI2 Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Local Time: 07:36 AM Posts: 3,628 Offline	usually the first 50k or so it's a good idea to take it easy, until the release compound comes off the tyres. Either that or rip a 50m long burnout when leaving the tyre shop Might be worth checking the pressures too, I usually find the tyre shops just fill them to the placard pressure, which is more for comfort than handling...

Apr 30th, 2005, 08:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
geist Life is not a Rehearsal Join Date: May 2002 Local Time: 08:36 PM Posts: 1,492 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MickyD usually the first 50k or so it's a good idea to take it easy, until the release compound comes off the tyres. Either that or rip a 50m long burnout when leaving the tyre shop Might be worth checking the pressures too, I usually find the tyre shops just fill them to the placard pressure, which is more for comfort than handling... 50k What your tyres last that long !!!! Had mine 2 years done 22000 miles and had to replace the fronts alreeady On a more serious note can I put 205's on to the standard 16" alloys, are they cheaper and better than run flats (considering replacing mine) also has anyone used the mobility pack and does it work ????

Apr 30th, 2005, 08:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
kad MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2004 Local Time: 06:36 AM Posts: 46 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by geist 50k What your tyres last that long !!!! Had mine 2 years done 22000 miles and had to replace the fronts alreeady On a more serious note can I put 205's on to the standard 16" alloys, are they cheaper and better than run flats (considering replacing mine) also has anyone used the mobility pack and does it work ???? I think he means 50kms, not 50,000 kms I got 205's put on. Cost me $199 a shoe.

Apr 30th, 2005, 11:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
n00b Twincharge??? My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2004 Local Time: 06:36 AM Posts: 2,283 Offline	Think it's +/- 10%...but that could be wrong.

Apr 30th, 2005, 12:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
21Blue MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: May 2003 Location: Brisbane, Melbourne Local Time: 07:36 AM Posts: 816 Offline	A replacement 215/50/16 tyre would be best suited to the OEM 195/55/16 tyre. It's rolling diameter is only 0.1% off! This website helps calculate rolling diameters... http://www.eunos.com/tirecalc/ About the unavailibility of the NCT 5's...I phoned a tyre centre about 2 weeks ago, and he told me that the Dunlop runflats were much cheaper and better than the Goodyears, it sounded like the goodyears don't sell well, thats probably why they aren't in stock...

Apr 30th, 2005, 12:37 PM	#12 (permalink)
2bob MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: bilgola plateau nsw Local Time: 07:36 AM Posts: 1,013 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by 21Blue A replacement 215/50/16 tyre would be best suited to the OEM 195/55/16 tyre. It's rolling diameter is only 0.1% off! This website helps calculate rolling diameters... http://www.eunos.com/tirecalc/ About the unavailibility of the NCT 5's...I phoned a tyre centre about 2 weeks ago, and he told me that the Dunlop runflats were much cheaper and better than the Goodyears, it sounded like the goodyears don't sell well, thats probably why they aren't in stock... Why waste time trying to find runflat S tyres-buy normal tyres and a can of goo -better tyres and less cost/

Apr 30th, 2005, 01:13 PM	#13 (permalink)
21Blue MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: May 2003 Location: Brisbane, Melbourne Local Time: 07:36 AM Posts: 816 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by 2bob Why waste time trying to find runflat S tyres-buy normal tyres and a can of goo -better tyres and less cost/ I wanted to know which of the runflat tyres were the better of the 2, cos my dealer told me that the 16" 7-fin spoke alloys thats coming on my Mini have Dunlop rubber. It was a quick phone call to a tyre dealer that a neighbour works at, and he said that If I must have runflats on the car, the Dunlops would be better. I hope that I do get Dunlops with the 7-fin spoke alloys, cos the other day I saw a MCC with the same wheels but had Goodyears....

May 1st, 2005, 12:46 AM	#14 (permalink)
AndrewH Were there Oompa loompas? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canberra Local Time: 07:36 AM Posts: 4,181 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by 21Blue A replacement 215/50/16 tyre would be best suited to the OEM 195/55/16 tyre. It's rolling diameter is only 0.1% off! This website helps calculate rolling diameters... http://www.eunos.com/tirecalc/ About the unavailibility of the NCT 5's...I phoned a tyre centre about 2 weeks ago, and he told me that the Dunlop runflats were much cheaper and better than the Goodyears, it sounded like the goodyears don't sell well, thats probably why they aren't in stock... Don't you have to go 215/45-16 not 215/50-16? Most of the available brands seem to be in 205/50-16 http://www.mini2.com/forum/faq.php?f...cement_t ires Jan 06 MCS Checkmate

May 1st, 2005, 01:06 AM	#15 (permalink)
Mike Clarke You are number 6 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Perth WA Local Time: 05:36 AM Posts: 5,065 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by AndrewH Don't you have to go 215/45-16 not 215/50-16? Most of the available brands seem to be in 205/50-16 http://www.mini2.com/forum/faq.php?faq=faq_wheels_tyres#faq_faq_replacement_t ires all the acceptable sizes are listed in the above mentioned FAQ here is an extract of the 16s 215/45-16 - 599.9 mm 195/50-16 - 601.4 mm 225/45-16 - 608.9 mm 205/50-16 - 611.4 mm 195/55-16 - 620.9 mm 215/50-16 - 621.4 mm 205/50-16 is the most popular replacement size

May 1st, 2005, 03:04 AM	#16 (permalink)
Smurfn Smurfing Around Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Newcastle, NSW Local Time: 06:36 AM Posts: 42,149 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by kad Yes, I have non-runflats now. I paid a premium due to the fact that the dealer KNEW we needed a tyre in a hurry and they were the only people able to source them quickly (they had one in stock). We were stuck there over NYE Do new tyres like the 3000a have a 'wear in' period? I noticed a fair but of understeer in a test run this morning. I thought the wear in period was ~ 200km http://www.flickr.com/photos/cheezelsmurf/

May 1st, 2005, 03:06 AM	#17 (permalink)
Smurfn Smurfing Around Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Newcastle, NSW Local Time: 06:36 AM Posts: 42,149 Offline	I had the same problem when I needed to replace the fronts, having had the Eagles. Couldn't get any anywhere. Didn't want to drive on balding tyres, so got Michelin Pilot Precedas 205/50/16 non runflats. Very happy with them so far http://www.flickr.com/photos/cheezelsmurf/

May 1st, 2005, 03:52 AM	#18 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 07:36 AM Posts: 13,849 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by smurfn I thought the wear in period was ~ 200km I thought that too Jason, but in the Wheels tyre test they make a comment that supports Micky's recommendation. They say you only need to give the tyres 30-40kms. But I like Micky's burnout suggestions a bit better. Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

May 1st, 2005, 06:29 AM	#19 (permalink)
AndrewH Were there Oompa loompas? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canberra Local Time: 07:36 AM Posts: 4,181 Offline	The Tire tech/general tire info section of tirerack.com has some interesting (or not so interesting - depending on your point of view) info on tyres. The following was taken from the Breaking in your tires article in the Additional tire tech articles section. Enjoy Quote: Originally Posted by tireract.com Tires are comprised of many layers of rubber, steel and fabric. Due to these different components, your new tires require a "break-in" period to ensure that they deliver their normal ride quality and maximum performance. As tires are cured, a "release lubricant" is applied to prevent them from sticking in their mold. Some of the lubricant stays on the surface of your tires, reducing traction until it is worn away. Five hundred miles ( ) of easy acceleration, cornering and braking will allow the mold release lubricant to wear off, allowing the other tire components to begin working together. It is also important to note that your old tires probably had very little tread depth remaining when you felt it was time to replace them. As any autocrosser or racer who has tread rubber shaved off of his tires will tell you "low tread depth tires respond quicker." Don't be surprised if your new tires are a little slower to respond (even if you use the exact same tire as before). Their new, full depth brings with it a little more tread squirm until they wear down. Jan 06 MCS Checkmate

May 1st, 2005, 06:32 AM	#20 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 07:36 AM Posts: 13,849 Offline	Interesting Andrew. Thanks for that. Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

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