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mr.abulia · Oct 18th, 2006, 05:57 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by xtremepsionic (original)

Oh we are gullible..

2006 MCS base $20900 USD
2006 MSC Rallye pack $34100 CDN

For BMW's sake, I sure hope they were hedged against the drop in the US dollar. When the prices were originally set, that pricing actually made sense... now I'm honestly wondering why we all aren't buying our cars in the US! Even with the extra duty, it's much, much cheaper than buying them here. But that's what happens when pricing is set at one exchange rate and then everything changes

faster,Tobias! · Oct 18th, 2006, 08:15 AM

Geez. Spend 1/2 your GNP on protecting the free world and what do you get? A dollar that drops faster than a $5 (US) hooker. Wheres the gratitude?
On a less sarcastic note, MINI/BMW are doing any current owner, and themselves, a favour; What would happen to your resale value f they decided to drop the price of a new car $5K? We all know what would happen. The 'phone to MINI HQ lines would be tied up for days by people that paid the higher price!! Manufacturers have to think long term - all it would to take to plunge us into another .60 CDN dollar would be one year of a NDP government. Wait, no, just the prospect of it would work..

British SD · Oct 18th, 2006, 05:15 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by faster,Tobias! (original)

MINI/BMW are doing current owner, and themselves, a favour; What would happen to your resale value f they decided to drop the price of a new car $5K? We all know what would happen. The 'phone to MINI HQ lines would be tied up for days by people that paid the higher price!! .

Interesting 1970's socialist economics you are including in the discussion. Especially since we both grew up in England and already saw how miserable that turned out 30 years ago. But to answer your question, I myself would appreciate in time the higher purchasing value when I traded in just as I do with Electronics, Fruits and veg, and travel today. Hard to believe MINI Canada thinks its lining its pockets with inflated part costs and vehicles as a favor to me, but anythings possible!

faster,Tobias! · Oct 18th, 2006, 06:50 PM

Not sure how you can draw a parallel between reckless Labour economic policy and the fact that if product A hits the market 20% cheaper than last year it instantly devalues items already sold. Electronics are something different; it is almost to the point wherein the product is obsolete by the time you get to the checkout, and thus the resale market is completely different. And I never mentioned parts, though I will point out that the excessive pricing in our market is related to the 'bling bling' stuff, and not the bits to keep the car going. Personally I think the pricing on OEM 'vanity' items is embarassing.
At the end of the day I still have a list of about 60 customers that wanted a MINI but couldn't get the numbers to work for them, but I'd sell them a car should the price drop. However there still wouldn't be enough cars to go around, and therein lies the key, I think, to pricing.

xtremepsionic · Oct 18th, 2006, 06:50 PM

Let's be realistic here, even GM cars are more expensive here than down in the states. For example, Saturn Sky starts at 25195 USD and $31935 CDN.

We're getting ripped off for car purchases, no doubt about it, but MINI's price difference (about a 1.6X difference) is a bit more than most maybe. The fact that we still buy it means 1. We're crazy 2. We're crazy 3. Other people are getting a great bargain.

bok · Oct 18th, 2006, 06:59 PM

honestly, the prices are what the market will bear /shrug
would i have liked my MINI to be 10 grand cheaper? sure...but then every chump who owns a crappy civic would be considering a MINI instead....elitist? sure but part of the MINI charm is it's uniqueness.

as for the bling being expensive, that ticks me off, but i can always order from the states and find ways around the duty

MRC2K6 · Oct 18th, 2006, 08:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by faster,Tobias! (original)

... What would happen to your resale value f they decided to drop the price of a new car $5K? ...

Isn't that what they did to the PT Cruiser last year? Common sense says we would all be mad.

mr.abulia · Oct 18th, 2006, 10:25 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by faster,Tobias! (original)

Not sure how you can draw a parallel between reckless Labour economic policy and the fact that if product A hits the market 20% cheaper than last year it instantly devalues items already sold. Electronics are something different; it is almost to the point wherein the product is obsolete by the time you get to the checkout, and thus the resale market is completely different. And I never mentioned parts, though I will point out that the excessive pricing in our market is related to the 'bling bling' stuff, and not the bits to keep the car going. Personally I think the pricing on OEM 'vanity' items is embarassing.
At the end of the day I still have a list of about 60 customers that wanted a MINI but couldn't get the numbers to work for them, but I'd sell them a car should the price drop. However there still wouldn't be enough cars to go around, and therein lies the key, I think, to pricing.

The odd thing is that cars are instantly devalued when sold anyway. Just as an example, take the used BMWs on the Crowfoot lot right now: they have a 2003 (I believe) 330i sedan with M package for $42k and change. Beautiful car. 230hp. However, the brand new 328i sedan inside the showroom is the exact same price with the exact same power. Why would anyone buy the older car with older technology? It doesn't make sense... that used car should be of a much lower value than is being charged! The fact is that supply and demand run the market: the BMW dealership is able to charge a new car price for the used car for two reasons: 1, ther is such a demand on the new 3-series sedans that there is a shortage of availability, hence someone may pay a premium for the used vehicle in order to have it instantly. 2, the 330 is a higher cachet than 328, so even though the car is in every way inferior to the new vehicle, someone may find it more attractive simply because it is a higher model number. (Personally I like to think that it is the first reason that will move the car off the lot rather than the second.)

What does this mean for MINI? It means that as long as there is demand for the cars, it does not really matter what the new price of the car is: the used price will be set based on demand for the product. Interestingly, I've noticed a few cars that are starting to drop in price: for example, a 2003 S in Vancouver is going for under $24k now. This could be anomolous, but we should be prepared for the fact that the rosy resale value will not last forever, particularly with the introduction of a new model and the ever-increasing number of MINIs on the road.

I think I'm digressing now... but my point is that the pricing of the car is fair, since it is what the market will bear. And the price of the car in Canada should not be reduced, as our dollar has not gained significantly on the euro... it's just that the US price should be increased as their dollar has nosedived. However, even if the price WAS reduced, teh used car market would still be controlled by supply and demand rather than by the price of the newer item, although naturally that price will affect supply and demand!

That's all for now... I have to go decide how the heck I'm going to get an overpriced blue CP car into my driveway. I know I can get virtually the same car far cheaper in the US, but that's simply not worth the hassle

I Am Canadian · Oct 18th, 2006, 10:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by mr.abulia (original)

That's all for now... I have to go decide how the heck I'm going to get an overpriced blue CP car into my driveway. I know I can get virtually the same car far cheaper in the US, but that's simply not worth the hassle

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mark-o · Oct 18th, 2006, 10:58 PM

Ok people, we have to sell Mr. A's p-car for him... this is getting stupid.

- Mr A. make up an ad for your car and we'll post it online somewhere public (or send me one) and we'll all do what we can to drum up some click-throughs for you.

-M

MiniPapa · Oct 19th, 2006, 12:42 AM

I can send an ad around my office too, if you like. There's got to be an exec or 2 that are looking for a new ride.

British SD · Oct 19th, 2006, 11:34 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by mr.abulia (original)

What does this mean for MINI? It means that as long as there is demand for the cars, it does not really matter what the new price of the car is: the used price will be set based on demand for the product

And the price of the car in Canada should not be reduced, as our dollar has not gained significantly on the euro

In a free market, every price is based on supply and demand. My point is simply, I have looked into this and found most MINI parts and OEM upgrades like JCW Packages, Rims and tires etc are now significantly cheaper in the U.S. due to what I expect is primarily currency valuations and high MINI Canada pricing.

MINI Canada are well within their right as is yours and mine to shop elsewhere including the U.S. where so desired. Owners in Vancouver are only 170 miles from a dealer in Tacoma WA or owners in Toronto are 100 miles from a dealer in Buffalo, NY. A tempting roadtrip for them if they are considering significant upgrades like JCW, OEM rims&tires or worse, a used MINI because large $$ can be saved.

I am not sure of your other point since the U.K. is on the £ and not the €? Anyways, what concerns me is the purchasing value of taking a C$ and receiving more value by spending it in the U.S. and at what point do new and old Canadian owners say, screw MINI Canada, I'm importing a MINI/or parts from the U.S.? Something that I know is already going on!

xtremepsionic · Oct 19th, 2006, 06:23 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by British SD (original)

In a free market, every price is based on supply and demand. My point is simply, I have looked into this and found most MINI parts and OEM upgrades like JCW Packages, Rims and tires etc are now significantly cheaper in the U.S. due to what I expect is primarily currency valuations and high MINI Canada pricing.

MINI Canada are well within their right as is yours and mine to shop elsewhere including the U.S. where so desired. Owners in Vancouver are only 170 miles from a dealer in Tacoma WA or owners in Toronto are 100 miles from a dealer in Buffalo, NY. A tempting roadtrip for them if they are considering significant upgrades like JCW, OEM rims&tires or worse, a used MINI because large $$ can be saved.

I am not sure of your other point since the U.K. is on the £ and not the €? Anyways, what concerns me is the purchasing value of taking a C$ and receiving more value by spending it in the U.S. and at what point do new and old Canadian owners say, screw MINI Canada, I'm importing a MINI/or parts from the U.S.? Something that I know is already going on!

Dude... you typed all that at 4:30am? Get some sleep buddy!

mr.abulia · Oct 20th, 2006, 04:13 AM

I completely agree with British SD... while currency fluctuations etc. can explain the prices of new cars, and while supply and demand the price of used, the accessory pricing is just plain whack. Only thing I can think of is bulk purchasing power of MINI USA over MINI Canada, but I'm not really buying that as an explanation. There's gotta be a free market explanation for it.

To all those eager to help me sell the C4s: Thank you! I don't have a copy of my ad with me on this trip, but will try to make up a new one tomorrow morning.

heli_guy · Oct 22nd, 2006, 04:53 PM

Obviously the accessory pricing is where it is because they can! As you said market demand. If people will pay those prices for things, and they are making acceptable profit, then that is what the price will be. They assume a certain sales volume, and thus they price it to match that.

I agree the accessories are highway robbery, but unless there is an alternative, they sort of have a monopoly.

As for the pricing of the car, for a LONG time it was much cheaper to buy cars in canada, and the us people were wondering why their's were so high. It is hard for a car company to drop prices rapidly because the dollar rapidly changes. oh well we lose now, but we did win before.

One problem with importing cars from the states is their safety regulations are different, so you may have to make some changes to the car before you are allowed to bring it into canada. (day time running lights for example are not mandatory in the states!)

I guess it is what it is. If we want the car, we gotta pay. Oh well too bad so sad, let's enjoy them.

Boy, this thread got off topic

Oct 18th, 2006, 08:09 PM	#67 (permalink)
MRC2K6 drive drive drive ... Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary Local Time: 02:46 PM Posts: 351 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by faster,Tobias! (original) ... What would happen to your resale value f they decided to drop the price of a new car $5K? ... Isn't that what they did to the PT Cruiser last year? Common sense says we would all be mad. Driving is Everything ... Anything else is just waiting around ...

Oct 19th, 2006, 11:34 AM	#72 (permalink)
British SD Northern Monkey! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a Van by da river Local Time: 01:46 PM Posts: 367 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by mr.abulia (original) What does this mean for MINI? It means that as long as there is demand for the cars, it does not really matter what the new price of the car is: the used price will be set based on demand for the product And the price of the car in Canada should not be reduced, as our dollar has not gained significantly on the euro In a free market, every price is based on supply and demand. My point is simply, I have looked into this and found most MINI parts and OEM upgrades like JCW Packages, Rims and tires etc are now significantly cheaper in the U.S. due to what I expect is primarily currency valuations and high MINI Canada pricing. MINI Canada are well within their right as is yours and mine to shop elsewhere including the U.S. where so desired. Owners in Vancouver are only 170 miles from a dealer in Tacoma WA or owners in Toronto are 100 miles from a dealer in Buffalo, NY. A tempting roadtrip for them if they are considering significant upgrades like JCW, OEM rims&tires or worse, a used MINI because large $$ can be saved. I am not sure of your other point since the U.K. is on the £ and not the €? Anyways, what concerns me is the purchasing value of taking a C$ and receiving more value by spending it in the U.S. and at what point do new and old Canadian owners say, screw MINI Canada, I'm importing a MINI/or parts from the U.S.? Something that I know is already going on! Last edited by British SD : Oct 19th, 2006 at 12:43 PM.

Oct 19th, 2006, 06:23 PM	#73 (permalink)
xtremepsionic Vroom! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Local Time: 01:46 PM Posts: 1,036 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by British SD (original) In a free market, every price is based on supply and demand. My point is simply, I have looked into this and found most MINI parts and OEM upgrades like JCW Packages, Rims and tires etc are now significantly cheaper in the U.S. due to what I expect is primarily currency valuations and high MINI Canada pricing. MINI Canada are well within their right as is yours and mine to shop elsewhere including the U.S. where so desired. Owners in Vancouver are only 170 miles from a dealer in Tacoma WA or owners in Toronto are 100 miles from a dealer in Buffalo, NY. A tempting roadtrip for them if they are considering significant upgrades like JCW, OEM rims&tires or worse, a used MINI because large $$ can be saved. I am not sure of your other point since the U.K. is on the £ and not the €? Anyways, what concerns me is the purchasing value of taking a C$ and receiving more value by spending it in the U.S. and at what point do new and old Canadian owners say, screw MINI Canada, I'm importing a MINI/or parts from the U.S.? Something that I know is already going on! Dude... you typed all that at 4:30am? Get some sleep buddy! Last edited by xtremepsionic : Oct 20th, 2006 at 07:00 AM.

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Oct 18th, 2006, 05:57 AM	#61
mr.abulia MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Calgary Local Time: 01:46 PM Posts: 241 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by xtremepsionic (original) Oh we are gullible.. 2006 MCS base $20900 USD 2006 MSC Rallye pack $34100 CDN For BMW's sake, I sure hope they were hedged against the drop in the US dollar. When the prices were originally set, that pricing actually made sense... now I'm honestly wondering why we all aren't buying our cars in the US! Even with the extra duty, it's much, much cheaper than buying them here. But that's what happens when pricing is set at one exchange rate and then everything changes

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Oct 18th, 2006, 08:15 AM	#62 (permalink)
faster,Tobias! Fanatically Enthiusiastic Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Calgary, Alberta Local Time: 01:46 PM Posts: 1,165 Offline	Geez. Spend 1/2 your GNP on protecting the free world and what do you get? A dollar that drops faster than a $5 (US) hooker. Wheres the gratitude? On a less sarcastic note, MINI/BMW are doing any current owner, and themselves, a favour; What would happen to your resale value f they decided to drop the price of a new car $5K? We all know what would happen. The 'phone to MINI HQ lines would be tied up for days by people that paid the higher price!! Manufacturers have to think long term - all it would to take to plunge us into another .60 CDN dollar would be one year of a NDP government. Wait, no, just the prospect of it would work..

Oct 18th, 2006, 05:15 PM	#63 (permalink)
British SD Northern Monkey! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a Van by da river Local Time: 01:46 PM Posts: 367 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by faster,Tobias! (original) MINI/BMW are doing current owner, and themselves, a favour; What would happen to your resale value f they decided to drop the price of a new car $5K? We all know what would happen. The 'phone to MINI HQ lines would be tied up for days by people that paid the higher price!! . Interesting 1970's socialist economics you are including in the discussion. Especially since we both grew up in England and already saw how miserable that turned out 30 years ago. But to answer your question, I myself would appreciate in time the higher purchasing value when I traded in just as I do with Electronics, Fruits and veg, and travel today. Hard to believe MINI Canada thinks its lining its pockets with inflated part costs and vehicles as a favor to me, but anythings possible!

Oct 18th, 2006, 06:50 PM	#64 (permalink)
faster,Tobias! Fanatically Enthiusiastic Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Calgary, Alberta Local Time: 01:46 PM Posts: 1,165 Offline	Not sure how you can draw a parallel between reckless Labour economic policy and the fact that if product A hits the market 20% cheaper than last year it instantly devalues items already sold. Electronics are something different; it is almost to the point wherein the product is obsolete by the time you get to the checkout, and thus the resale market is completely different. And I never mentioned parts, though I will point out that the excessive pricing in our market is related to the 'bling bling' stuff, and not the bits to keep the car going. Personally I think the pricing on OEM 'vanity' items is embarassing. At the end of the day I still have a list of about 60 customers that wanted a MINI but couldn't get the numbers to work for them, but I'd sell them a car should the price drop. However there still wouldn't be enough cars to go around, and therein lies the key, I think, to pricing.

Oct 18th, 2006, 06:50 PM	#65 (permalink)
xtremepsionic Vroom! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Local Time: 01:46 PM Posts: 1,036 Offline	Let's be realistic here, even GM cars are more expensive here than down in the states. For example, Saturn Sky starts at 25195 USD and $31935 CDN. We're getting ripped off for car purchases, no doubt about it, but MINI's price difference (about a 1.6X difference) is a bit more than most maybe. The fact that we still buy it means 1. We're crazy 2. We're crazy 3. Other people are getting a great bargain.

Oct 18th, 2006, 06:59 PM	#66 (permalink)
bok BluMeNe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cowtown Local Time: 02:46 PM Posts: 126 Offline	honestly, the prices are what the market will bear /shrug would i have liked my MINI to be 10 grand cheaper? sure...but then every chump who owns a crappy civic would be considering a MINI instead....elitist? sure but part of the MINI charm is it's uniqueness. as for the bling being expensive, that ticks me off, but i can always order from the states and find ways around the duty

Oct 18th, 2006, 10:25 PM	#68 (permalink)
mr.abulia MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Calgary Local Time: 01:46 PM Posts: 241 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by faster,Tobias! (original) Not sure how you can draw a parallel between reckless Labour economic policy and the fact that if product A hits the market 20% cheaper than last year it instantly devalues items already sold. Electronics are something different; it is almost to the point wherein the product is obsolete by the time you get to the checkout, and thus the resale market is completely different. And I never mentioned parts, though I will point out that the excessive pricing in our market is related to the 'bling bling' stuff, and not the bits to keep the car going. Personally I think the pricing on OEM 'vanity' items is embarassing. At the end of the day I still have a list of about 60 customers that wanted a MINI but couldn't get the numbers to work for them, but I'd sell them a car should the price drop. However there still wouldn't be enough cars to go around, and therein lies the key, I think, to pricing. The odd thing is that cars are instantly devalued when sold anyway. Just as an example, take the used BMWs on the Crowfoot lot right now: they have a 2003 (I believe) 330i sedan with M package for $42k and change. Beautiful car. 230hp. However, the brand new 328i sedan inside the showroom is the exact same price with the exact same power. Why would anyone buy the older car with older technology? It doesn't make sense... that used car should be of a much lower value than is being charged! The fact is that supply and demand run the market: the BMW dealership is able to charge a new car price for the used car for two reasons: 1, ther is such a demand on the new 3-series sedans that there is a shortage of availability, hence someone may pay a premium for the used vehicle in order to have it instantly. 2, the 330 is a higher cachet than 328, so even though the car is in every way inferior to the new vehicle, someone may find it more attractive simply because it is a higher model number. (Personally I like to think that it is the first reason that will move the car off the lot rather than the second.) What does this mean for MINI? It means that as long as there is demand for the cars, it does not really matter what the new price of the car is: the used price will be set based on demand for the product. Interestingly, I've noticed a few cars that are starting to drop in price: for example, a 2003 S in Vancouver is going for under $24k now. This could be anomolous, but we should be prepared for the fact that the rosy resale value will not last forever, particularly with the introduction of a new model and the ever-increasing number of MINIs on the road. I think I'm digressing now... but my point is that the pricing of the car is fair, since it is what the market will bear. And the price of the car in Canada should not be reduced, as our dollar has not gained significantly on the euro... it's just that the US price should be increased as their dollar has nosedived. However, even if the price WAS reduced, teh used car market would still be controlled by supply and demand rather than by the price of the newer item, although naturally that price will affect supply and demand! That's all for now... I have to go decide how the heck I'm going to get an overpriced blue CP car into my driveway. I know I can get virtually the same car far cheaper in the US, but that's simply not worth the hassle

Oct 18th, 2006, 10:44 PM	#69 (permalink)
I Am Canadian MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Alberta's Capital Local Time: 02:46 PM Posts: 148 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by mr.abulia (original) That's all for now... I have to go decide how the heck I'm going to get an overpriced blue CP car into my driveway. I know I can get virtually the same car far cheaper in the US, but that's simply not worth the hassle OK! Mr. A., I am officially the little devil on your left shoulder. You can find the angel elsewhere. BUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY IT Come on and join the club of CP owners. After all, there are only four posters on this board with one. That is all. P.S. BUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY ITBUY IT

Oct 18th, 2006, 10:58 PM	#70 (permalink)
mark-o MINI2 4 ME Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Calgary, AB Local Time: 02:46 PM Posts: 295 Offline	Ok people, we have to sell Mr. A's p-car for him... this is getting stupid. - Mr A. make up an ad for your car and we'll post it online somewhere public (or send me one) and we'll all do what we can to drum up some click-throughs for you. -M

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Oct 19th, 2006, 12:42 AM	#71 (permalink)
MiniPapa MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Calgary Local Time: 02:46 PM Posts: 84 Offline	I can send an ad around my office too, if you like. There's got to be an exec or 2 that are looking for a new ride.

Oct 20th, 2006, 04:13 AM	#74 (permalink)
mr.abulia MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Calgary Local Time: 01:46 PM Posts: 241 Offline	I completely agree with British SD... while currency fluctuations etc. can explain the prices of new cars, and while supply and demand the price of used, the accessory pricing is just plain whack. Only thing I can think of is bulk purchasing power of MINI USA over MINI Canada, but I'm not really buying that as an explanation. There's gotta be a free market explanation for it. To all those eager to help me sell the C4s: Thank you! I don't have a copy of my ad with me on this trip, but will try to make up a new one tomorrow morning.

Oct 22nd, 2006, 04:53 PM	#75 (permalink)
heli_guy Fly Heli's they're fun! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Calgary Local Time: 01:46 PM Posts: 177 Offline	Obviously the accessory pricing is where it is because they can! As you said market demand. If people will pay those prices for things, and they are making acceptable profit, then that is what the price will be. They assume a certain sales volume, and thus they price it to match that. I agree the accessories are highway robbery, but unless there is an alternative, they sort of have a monopoly. As for the pricing of the car, for a LONG time it was much cheaper to buy cars in canada, and the us people were wondering why their's were so high. It is hard for a car company to drop prices rapidly because the dollar rapidly changes. oh well we lose now, but we did win before. One problem with importing cars from the states is their safety regulations are different, so you may have to make some changes to the car before you are allowed to bring it into canada. (day time running lights for example are not mandatory in the states!) I guess it is what it is. If we want the car, we gotta pay. Oh well too bad so sad, let's enjoy them. Boy, this thread got off topic