[nam317]

Hi Everyone,

I am looking at getting a new mini and the numbers for MSRP that the dealership provided me doesn't seem to add up with the prices listed on the mini.ca site. Can anyone tell me if freight and PDI are the same for all models and does anyone know how much it is? Thanks in Advance!

[2CAMS]

Hi what did the dealer tell you??? What dealer was it that you inquired? I am a salesman so maybe I can help you not get ripped off, or if you are near toronto you can deal with me.

Glad to help....just pm me.

[ChilliSteve]

$1500 is what I had to pay in Winnipeg.

you also have to pay tire tax, air con tax, and documentation fees.

[MINNOW]

I paid $1800 freight & PDI, which included block heater ($200), carpet mats, wheel locks, tank of fuel.
In addition there was the air tax $100, tire tax $20, glass etching & registration $395.
All told, a whopping $2315 on top of the MSRP.
Hope this helps.

[JohnnyBoy]

Quote: Originally Posted by 2CAMS

Hi what did the dealer tell you??? What dealer was it that you inquired? I am a salesman so maybe I can help you not get ripped off, or if you are near toronto you can deal with me.

Glad to help....just pm me.

Not get ripped off??? Nice "salesman". Good to see you ruining the market for everyone. Do you even want to try and make a living at selling MINI's?? The REALITY is (and anyone can find this info on the net) there isn't big margins in MINI's. Think what you want, but we are not making huge dollars off these things...that is why the pricing is the way it is. Why don't you try providing service and value to your customers instead of dropping your pants off the bat. That is what real salespeople do......


Edit: To answer the original question. Freight and PDI and whatever dealer admin fees do not show up on the MINI.ca website. In Ontario, the Freight and PDI is usually $1395 (some delaers include mats and wheel locks as well with that). Dealer admin fees will vary, but are usually around the $200-$300 range.

[Gelly]

Is Freight and PID negotiable, or is it simply a set rate? I don't understand why it would be so much more expensive than other car manufacturers.

[MINIMALISTE]

I was quoted a PDI of 1295$ here in Montréal...

[ChilliSteve]

it's a set rate. there is no if ands or buts about it.

[Valdiri]

Everything is negotiable.

Really, it is the bottom line that you care about right?

Who cares what they charge for freight, "admin fees" (ha-ha), "dealer prep" - whatever.

That bottom line amount is what you should negotiate between different dealers (which I hope you have the choice of, because the MINI dealers who think they don't have competition (because of distance from another dealer) *will* rip you off, imo)

Contact the APA - http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=117
They can help you (what is the mark-up, buying services, etc.)


(BTW, the mark-up on these cars was pretty good last year - can't imagine too many cars that are marked up much more (excl. SUV/Truck)

[JohnnyBoy]

Who cares what they charge for freight, "admin fees" (ha-ha), "dealer prep" - whatever.

Because, the cars float over here for free on their own (remember MINI's come from the U.K. It might cost a little more than your GM from Oshawa to get here...ya think?). Because our administration department works for free (ever see what goes on behind the scenes at a dealership? Not quite as easy as it seems to accomodate YOU the consumer and make you happy). Because our $15 million dollar building where you enjoy our free lattes while chilling in a plush lounge watching our big screen tv while they wash your car for free just sprung up out of the ground by itself for free one day....We also cultivate our technicians in a greenhouse out back so we don't have to pay them either..

That bottom line amount is what you should negotiate between different dealers (which I hope you have the choice of, because the MINI dealers who think they don't have competition (because of distance from another dealer) *will* rip you off, imo)

It is a balance of price and value for that price...you are not buying a Cavalier here people...you want a cheap car, go buy a cheap car. The MINI has as much technology and finish quality as any other luxury car maker. DSCIII? probably the best yaw control system on the market today regardless of price...Self leveling Xenons....come on people this stuff isn't cheap. Also why would you not buy from your local dealer? You live in the area...It only makes sense. As well, we take care of our customers first and foremost. Didn't buy from us? "Oh I'm sorry, we can't fit you in for service sir...maybe try the dealer where you bought it from....what? they are 1 hour away? sorry, should have thought of that when you bought....but that $500 you saved will come in handy to cover the gas to there and back" The reality is it is going to come to that. Also, I would be the first to let you all in on the "dark secret" world of MINI dealers....We are all here to screw you over and rip off everyone and make millions from it. OMG get real buddy. I am here to HELP YOU BUY THE CAR YOU WANT. It should be a pleasant buying experience. I am not here to rip you off...Maybe next time you should shop around your Doctor or Dentist....I am sure they are ripping you off too.....or maybe shop around on your next drive though take out. WHY IS IT THAT WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO MAKE A LIVING and sell everything at cost......because you know it is still a business.

Contact the APA - http://www.apa.ca/template.asp?DocID=117
They can help you (what is the mark-up, buying services, etc.)

Just because you know what something costs, doesnot mean you can get it for that...

(BTW, the mark-up on these cars was pretty good last year - can't imagine too many cars that are marked up much more (excl. SUV/Truck)

Yeah 9% (6% on a Classic) is a lot to mark up a product...not quite as good as the 200% mark up on that shirt you bought, but close....


So to conclude on my long winded rant:

1. If you want a cheap car...go buy a cheap car. If you want a MINI, buy a MINI
2. Buy from your local dealer. You WILL benefit in the long run.
3. Most Salespeople are there to help you buy the right car and not screw you over.
4. We should be allowed to make a living too....
5. I should get a coffee and bagel BEFORE I open my e-mails...LOL
6. I love the internet HA HA
7. I better go and sell some cars.....

Last but not least:
8. go visit: www.johnnyboy.ca

[YQTYYZ]

I always thought John Summach was the guy in all those Mini Oakville Pictures.

JohnnyBoy, who WAS that guy sitting in all these Minis on the old inventory pages?

I also recall seeing him standing behind a counter right beside a silver MC that had the aero package.

Just for reference, it costs over $1000 to get some GM cars/trucks even if they were shipped from Oshawa

I agree with JohnnyBoy here: the salesperson wants to make the sale, and he/she wants you to come back and service your vehicle there as well. It's a whole teamwork thing.

I trust the licensed mechanics at my Ford dealership for our Escape. They go the extra mile for us. When my tires were low on pressure, and it was -30, the Service Advisor came out and personally took it to get inflated even though he had a backlog of cars needing to be looked after.

I would expect that from my Mini dealership regardless of where I purchased the vehicle.

[RicXX]

JohnnyBoy,

I'm so sorry! Will you ever forgive us for buying our car from another dealership? We didn't want to, you know that! But that MINI for that price........Can you blame us? Please don't hate us, its only one MINI, Promise the next one is coming from somewhere more local (said after driving the 4+ hours to Durham and back, down the dreaded highways in parking hour, oops I mean rush hour).

Lets bring on 05, so I can get my MINI.

Oh and about all this dealership stuff, and charges and the like. When was the last time you saw BMW drop $2000+ from the price of a new 1 year old car? (besides ours, it was a DEMO.....HINT HINT!) When was the last time you saw Ford, GM, or Chrysler do it? Now who has the bigger mark up? The reality is the Euro and Asian auto makers get mad charged to bring their cars and parts over here. Cause the big 3 say so to the gov'ts and then the Gov'ts make it law (otherwise they lose the next election). And just remember this, if you have to ask how much it is, you can't afford it. If you have to ask how long its going to take, then you love it. If you are just wanting to save some cash for more options I guess thats allowed

This is a MINI you are talking about, who says you can't buy LUV!

P.S. No I do not work for MINI, nor BMW, though I would love to, I am trained for OMVIC which is the governing body over the vehical industry.

JohnnyBoy, Would love to see you on www.somc.on.ca come on you know you want to join us

And I'm spent............

Ken

[etam]

Hi all, my 1st post, since we are on topics and with salesmans around.. let me ask.. how much is the exact PDI? $800? how many hours do you spend for PDI? 10 hrs?

Does Canadian auto industry works like US? is there dealer holdback for each car dealer sold? 2%? 3% under MSRP?

From what I understand, even if you sell at invoice, dealer still make profit from PDI and dealer holdback, true? We all know that dealer don't make much from new car sales.. it is the long-term service that you want? or when you trade in your used car for 2nd hand market.

Just my 2 cents.

Ernest

[Kenmini]

Hmmm ... I was visiting MINI woodbridge inventory website and ran acorss from MINI S that listed their MRSP and total price ... I took the difference of the two ( TP - MRSP ) and concluded its about $1739 ... so I guess this the the Admin fee ... PDI .. FREIGHT .. BLABLABLA ...

[Valdiri]

to conclude on my long winded rant:

1. If you want a cheap car...go buy a cheap car. If you want a MINI, buy a MINI
(or the other post: if you have to ask how much it is, you can't afford it )
Sadly, this is the favourite angle of certain MINI sales staff - snobbery.

They seem to be saying: Our cars are above reproach - if you don't like the price, then take your business elsewhere.

If someone thinks MINIs are a "lifestyle" and more than just cars then great - by all means pay whatever the salesman offers. As soon as I got this kind of attitude from a salesperson, I knew I wasn't going to get the best price though - It took a bit of work but I eventually found one I was comfortable with (and I declined the bloody latté.)

2. Buy from your local dealer. You WILL benefit in the long run.

This another good one - Imply that your car won' t be welcome if you buy it somewhere else.
Just like this salesperson suggested here, my local salesperson threatened me.. he said if I bought my car down the highway, he would see to it that my car would be discriminated against : repaired last, etc...
The fact is, service and sales are different profit centres in the dealership, and the service manager has his own performance objectives. Delivering poor service won't help him get any bonuses..

On the other hand, I could be wrong! Maybe service depts DO dislike serving customers who bought their car elsewhere.... if this is the case, someone better warn those folks in the "Has anyone else had trouble with the Service Dept. at Canbec BMW?" thread and other similar ones that they are risking the health of their MINI by not slavishly returning to the service dept. of the dealership they bought their car from!!!

And btw, in my case the savings was not $500 but over $2K (my local dealer wasn't interested in passing along the BMW manufacturer-to-dealer incentives... apparently he wanted me to help pay for the owner's new building )


3. Most Salespeople are there to help you buy the right car and not screw you over.

I believe this is true too... but we are talking about $$$ here, and it isn't the salesperson who decides the price, is it....

4. We should be allowed to make a living too....

Absolutely.
I had a great MINI salesperson - professional, down-to-earth, friendly, refreshingly straight-forward. I appreciate the work that he did.

But, we are the customers! Talk to the owner dude - he is the one that pays you. If you don't like how much your commission is, tell him you should be allowed to make a living too. Somehow the vast majority of car dealership owners are multi-multi millionaires - they seem to be making a pretty good living, no?

Again, MINI makes great cars - I love mine. (Eventually) I had a good purchasing experience with my salesperson... but at the end of the day ,it is just a car. Why not get it for the best price you can??.... More money left for mods afterwards ...

[rodo]

that is very true, the owners have a lot of money. Johnnyboy, you work at mini oakville right? well if so, it is owned by the Budds and i go to school with the Budds and i can personally tell you from experience they are loaded, we even play hockey on the same team and i see the cars they have