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Sejanus · Sep 12th, 2002, 05:17 PM

I just finished the running in period on my Cooper and I've started to play around with the other modes on the transmission. I'm curious as to how much and when others use the sports and manual modes. The sports mode appear to boost the rpms so I find it useful for accelerating up hills or for a quicker start from a light etc., then I switch back to the regular CVT setting since I assume that it is more fuel efficient. I've toyed around with the manual setting a few times, but haven't really explored what it can do or feels like for any real length of time yet. How about the rest of you?

Jim Ray · Sep 12th, 2002, 09:13 PM

that I like the regular CVT mode so much that I have not really played with the other two modes.

And it gives me both hands free to hold on when following the Cooper S closely through the twisties..

Electrc109 · Sep 13th, 2002, 09:37 PM

My right hand is constantly changing modes or shifting!

If I want to accelerate off the line really fast, I'll start in 1st 'gear' and tap the shifter to D mode and back to SD after I have accelerated through 1st. I am not sure if it is any faster, but it seems like it, and its kinda fun!

When decelerating, I will put it in sport mode if easily decelerating (gives a little engine breaking. If breaking a little hard, I will up shift in the steptronic mode to help me slow quicker (not to rev the engine hi, only maybe to 3000-3500 rpms).

In regular driving, I will stay in D mode unless I plan to push the gas more than halfway down.

The CVT technology is great. I've appreciated this type of transmission for years!!

Shep · Sep 14th, 2002, 09:38 PM

At the moment I'm doing the same as you, Sejanus. Sport mode is handy for quick takeoff at lights, and for overtaking. I keep meaning to try the manual mode, but it seems not necessary.

I've just finished the 1200 mile period, so perhaps I'll start to experiment more…

Has anyone compared 0 to 60 times in Sport mode vs. in Drive mode vs. in manual mode? I have a suspicion that the Sport mode won't make much difference--if you floor the accelerator/gas pedal then it'll go to high revs either way. I am guessing (but don't know) that the Sport mode is more useful for quick passing/overtaking with less of the infamous CVT "hesitation" as it'll already be at a healthy rpm.

Sejanus · Sep 15th, 2002, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Electrc109

If I want to accelerate off the line really fast, I'll start in 1st 'gear' and tap the shifter to D mode and back to SD after I have accelerated through 1st. I am not sure if it is any faster, but it seems like it, and its kinda fun!

I'll have to try that.

Sejanus · Sep 15th, 2002, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shep
I am guessing (but don't know) that the Sport mode is more useful for quick passing/overtaking with less of the infamous CVT "hesitation" as it'll already be at a healthy rpm.

That's certainly how it seems to me. Basically, the main advantage then, I assume, of the normal CVT mode is fuel efficiency. It seems like using the sports mode is sort of like turning the overdrive off in some types of automatics.

mininow · Sep 17th, 2002, 08:59 PM

Mine shows 5500 which I think is weird since the redline should be 6750.

Sejanus · Sep 18th, 2002, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mininow
Mine shows 5500 which I think is weird since the redline should be 6750.

5500. There is another thread on this somewhere, but apparently the CVT's have a lower redline than Coopers with a manual transmission. (although I don't know that for an absolute fact)

mininow · Sep 18th, 2002, 08:16 AM

Even though the redline is at 5500 I have gone a bit over 6000 without hitting the rev limiter, so I don't know what the situation is. It's almost like the redline at 5500 is just the beggining of the redline area but the true redline may still be 6750.

Electrc109 · Sep 18th, 2002, 10:26 AM

The engine's redline is 6750? It sounds and feels like the redline is around 5500!

mininow · Sep 18th, 2002, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Electrc109
The engine's redline is 6750? It sounds and feels like the redline is around 5500!

And your point is?

Electrc109 · Sep 19th, 2002, 02:21 PM

My point is that the powerband is lower than I would like it to be. My last car I could rev up quite a bit and take advantage of high revs. In a Cooper, I have to be a little more conservative with what rpms I accelerate with.

Speaking of the powerband, does anyone have a dyno chart of a stock Cooper?

RedBackFur · Sep 19th, 2002, 02:39 PM

I have 4500 miles on my CVT now. I find that using the tiptronic feature sort of silly....fun to demo to friends, but without a clutch pedal, can't really figure the use.

However, I use sport mode on the winding roads, and for engine breaking in bad traffic.

Since I was sort of warned that Mini Break jobs are expensive, I figure I'd save them by using engine breaking.

Electrc109 · Sep 19th, 2002, 03:07 PM

If you anticipate shifting about 500-750 rpms before you would shift in a regular manual tranny, the drive will be smoother and more like what you would expect when shifting

Sejanus · Sep 20th, 2002, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RedBackFur
I have 4500 miles on my CVT now. I find that using the tiptronic feature sort of silly....fun to demo to friends, but without a clutch pedal, can't really figure the use.

However, I use sport mode on the winding roads, and for engine breaking in bad traffic.

I'm a bit confused. I can see how you could use the tiptonic feature for engine breaking, but I'm a little confused as to how the sports mode with help with that.

RedBackFur · Sep 20th, 2002, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sejanus

I'm a bit confused. I can see how you could use the tiptonic feature for engine breaking, but I'm a little confused as to how the sports mode with help with that.

Sport mode, for some reason, acts like someone downshifting when you let your foot off the gas. It makes a big difference when I use it in Traffic. I do spend less time on the break.

Try it!

Sejanus · Sep 21st, 2002, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RedBackFur

Sport mode, for some reason, acts like someone downshifting when you let your foot off the gas. It makes a big difference when I use it in Traffic. I do spend less time on the break.

Try it!

Hmmm, thanks I will. Usually when I'm in sports mode I've been too busy accelerating to notice any braking effect.

Sejanus · Sep 26th, 2002, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RedBackFur

Sport mode, for some reason, acts like someone downshifting when you let your foot off the gas. It makes a big difference when I use it in Traffic. I do spend less time on the break.
Try it!

Well, you were absolutely right. That's kinda handy.

In addition I also played around with steptronic mode tonight on the freeway (coming back to Sac from a Giants game) and was very pleasantly suprised. I was heading up a decent hill on I-80 (the one right past Marine World if you are heading east if you know it RedBackFur) doing about 80 mph in the sports mode. An RX-7 passed me on my left and out of curiousity I switched to the steptronic mode in "simulated" 5th. The MINI practically leapt foward, I blew past the RX-7 without the slightest increase in pressure on the gas pedal. Keep in mind this all still going uphill. I had no idea this car had that much zip to it. I'm definately going to keep experimenting with this transmission, it seems like there is more to it than we (or I anyway) had thought.

RedBackFur · Sep 26th, 2002, 12:41 PM

Ah, great, Sejanus, glad you got over the fear of playing with your transmission!

I haven't been down 80 that far yet in the Mini, however, I do have to drive up the 92 almost every day (In San Mateo) which is also the same type of grade. Not to mention that I have driven the Grape Vine (southern California) and kept quite happy in the fast lane most of the time. (Gotta keep away from those giant MINI crushing trucks!)

aoh · Oct 2nd, 2002, 08:36 PM

Anybody know the 0-60 & top speed specs for the CVT cooper ? Any difference from the manual car ?

Sep 12th, 2002, 05:17 PM	#1
Sejanus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: West Sacramento Local Time: 03:34 PM Posts: 4,222 Offline	CVT Users I just finished the running in period on my Cooper and I've started to play around with the other modes on the transmission. I'm curious as to how much and when others use the sports and manual modes. The sports mode appear to boost the rpms so I find it useful for accelerating up hills or for a quicker start from a light etc., then I switch back to the regular CVT setting since I assume that it is more fuel efficient. I've toyed around with the manual setting a few times, but haven't really explored what it can do or feels like for any real length of time yet. How about the rest of you?

Sep 12th, 2002, 09:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jim Ray AprilWhine's Fuzzy One Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas Local Time: 02:34 PM Posts: 1,541 Offline	I am ashamed to say that I like the regular CVT mode so much that I have not really played with the other two modes. And it gives me both hands free to hold on when following the Cooper S closely through the twisties..

Sep 14th, 2002, 09:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
Shep MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Princeton, NJ, USA Local Time: 06:34 PM Posts: 209 Offline	Does Sport mode enhance acceleration? At the moment I'm doing the same as you, Sejanus. Sport mode is handy for quick takeoff at lights, and for overtaking. I keep meaning to try the manual mode, but it seems not necessary. I've just finished the 1200 mile period, so perhaps I'll start to experiment more… Has anyone compared 0 to 60 times in Sport mode vs. in Drive mode vs. in manual mode? I have a suspicion that the Sport mode won't make much difference--if you floor the accelerator/gas pedal then it'll go to high revs either way. I am guessing (but don't know) that the Sport mode is more useful for quick passing/overtaking with less of the infamous CVT "hesitation" as it'll already be at a healthy rpm. Chili red Cooper/white roof/CVT/sunroof/DSC "Max" arrived on 19th August 2002 License plate: OURMINI

Sep 15th, 2002, 02:07 AM	#6 (permalink)
Sejanus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: West Sacramento Local Time: 03:34 PM Posts: 4,222 Offline	Re: Does Sport mode enhance acceleration? Quote: Originally posted by Shep I am guessing (but don't know) that the Sport mode is more useful for quick passing/overtaking with less of the infamous CVT "hesitation" as it'll already be at a healthy rpm. That's certainly how it seems to me. Basically, the main advantage then, I assume, of the normal CVT mode is fuel efficiency. It seems like using the sports mode is sort of like turning the overdrive off in some types of automatics.

Sep 17th, 2002, 08:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
mininow MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 10:34 PM Posts: 8 Offline	what is the redline on your CVT cooper. Mine shows 5500 which I think is weird since the redline should be 6750. 2002 MC, Silk Green/White - pretty loaded

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Sep 13th, 2002, 09:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
Electrc109 DRIVER Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ormond by the Sea FL Local Time: 06:34 PM Posts: 696 Offline	My right hand is constantly changing modes or shifting! If I want to accelerate off the line really fast, I'll start in 1st 'gear' and tap the shifter to D mode and back to SD after I have accelerated through 1st. I am not sure if it is any faster, but it seems like it, and its kinda fun! When decelerating, I will put it in sport mode if easily decelerating (gives a little engine breaking. If breaking a little hard, I will up shift in the steptronic mode to help me slow quicker (not to rev the engine hi, only maybe to 3000-3500 rpms). In regular driving, I will stay in D mode unless I plan to push the gas more than halfway down. The CVT technology is great. I've appreciated this type of transmission for years!!

Sep 15th, 2002, 02:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
Sejanus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: West Sacramento Local Time: 03:34 PM Posts: 4,222 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Electrc109 If I want to accelerate off the line really fast, I'll start in 1st 'gear' and tap the shifter to D mode and back to SD after I have accelerated through 1st. I am not sure if it is any faster, but it seems like it, and its kinda fun! I'll have to try that.

Sep 18th, 2002, 02:16 AM	#8 (permalink)
Sejanus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: West Sacramento Local Time: 03:34 PM Posts: 4,222 Offline	Re: what is the redline on your CVT cooper. Quote: Originally posted by mininow Mine shows 5500 which I think is weird since the redline should be 6750. 5500. There is another thread on this somewhere, but apparently the CVT's have a lower redline than Coopers with a manual transmission. (although I don't know that for an absolute fact)

Sep 18th, 2002, 08:16 AM	#9 (permalink)
mininow MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 10:34 PM Posts: 8 Offline	Even though the redline is at 5500 I have gone a bit over 6000 without hitting the rev limiter, so I don't know what the situation is. It's almost like the redline at 5500 is just the beggining of the redline area but the true redline may still be 6750. 2002 MC, Silk Green/White - pretty loaded

Sep 18th, 2002, 10:26 AM	#10 (permalink)
Electrc109 DRIVER Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ormond by the Sea FL Local Time: 06:34 PM Posts: 696 Offline	The engine's redline is 6750? It sounds and feels like the redline is around 5500!

Sep 18th, 2002, 06:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
mininow MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 10:34 PM Posts: 8 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Electrc109 The engine's redline is 6750? It sounds and feels like the redline is around 5500! And your point is? 2002 MC, Silk Green/White - pretty loaded

Sep 19th, 2002, 02:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
Electrc109 DRIVER Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ormond by the Sea FL Local Time: 06:34 PM Posts: 696 Offline	My point is that the powerband is lower than I would like it to be. My last car I could rev up quite a bit and take advantage of high revs. In a Cooper, I have to be a little more conservative with what rpms I accelerate with. Speaking of the powerband, does anyone have a dyno chart of a stock Cooper?

Sep 19th, 2002, 02:39 PM	#13 (permalink)
RedBackFur MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: SF East Bay, CA Local Time: 03:34 PM Posts: 188 Offline	I have 4500 miles on my CVT now. I find that using the tiptronic feature sort of silly....fun to demo to friends, but without a clutch pedal, can't really figure the use. However, I use sport mode on the winding roads, and for engine breaking in bad traffic. Since I was sort of warned that Mini Break jobs are expensive, I figure I'd save them by using engine breaking. 2002 Cooper . My CVT Transmission Self-destructed at 89,500 miles

Sep 19th, 2002, 03:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
Electrc109 DRIVER Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ormond by the Sea FL Local Time: 06:34 PM Posts: 696 Offline	If you anticipate shifting about 500-750 rpms before you would shift in a regular manual tranny, the drive will be smoother and more like what you would expect when shifting

Sep 20th, 2002, 02:03 AM	#15 (permalink)
Sejanus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: West Sacramento Local Time: 03:34 PM Posts: 4,222 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by RedBackFur I have 4500 miles on my CVT now. I find that using the tiptronic feature sort of silly....fun to demo to friends, but without a clutch pedal, can't really figure the use. However, I use sport mode on the winding roads, and for engine breaking in bad traffic. I'm a bit confused. I can see how you could use the tiptonic feature for engine breaking, but I'm a little confused as to how the sports mode with help with that.

Sep 20th, 2002, 12:33 PM	#16 (permalink)
RedBackFur MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: SF East Bay, CA Local Time: 03:34 PM Posts: 188 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Sejanus I'm a bit confused. I can see how you could use the tiptonic feature for engine breaking, but I'm a little confused as to how the sports mode with help with that. Sport mode, for some reason, acts like someone downshifting when you let your foot off the gas. It makes a big difference when I use it in Traffic. I do spend less time on the break. Try it! 2002 Cooper . My CVT Transmission Self-destructed at 89,500 miles

Sep 21st, 2002, 02:31 AM	#17 (permalink)
Sejanus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: West Sacramento Local Time: 03:34 PM Posts: 4,222 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by RedBackFur Sport mode, for some reason, acts like someone downshifting when you let your foot off the gas. It makes a big difference when I use it in Traffic. I do spend less time on the break. Try it! Hmmm, thanks I will. Usually when I'm in sports mode I've been too busy accelerating to notice any braking effect.

Sep 26th, 2002, 03:35 AM	#18 (permalink)
Sejanus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: West Sacramento Local Time: 03:34 PM Posts: 4,222 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by RedBackFur Sport mode, for some reason, acts like someone downshifting when you let your foot off the gas. It makes a big difference when I use it in Traffic. I do spend less time on the break. Try it! Well, you were absolutely right. That's kinda handy. In addition I also played around with steptronic mode tonight on the freeway (coming back to Sac from a Giants game) and was very pleasantly suprised. I was heading up a decent hill on I-80 (the one right past Marine World if you are heading east if you know it RedBackFur) doing about 80 mph in the sports mode. An RX-7 passed me on my left and out of curiousity I switched to the steptronic mode in "simulated" 5th. The MINI practically leapt foward, I blew past the RX-7 without the slightest increase in pressure on the gas pedal. Keep in mind this all still going uphill. I had no idea this car had that much zip to it. I'm definately going to keep experimenting with this transmission, it seems like there is more to it than we (or I anyway) had thought.

Sep 26th, 2002, 12:41 PM	#19 (permalink)
RedBackFur MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: SF East Bay, CA Local Time: 03:34 PM Posts: 188 Offline	Ah, great, Sejanus, glad you got over the fear of playing with your transmission! I haven't been down 80 that far yet in the Mini, however, I do have to drive up the 92 almost every day (In San Mateo) which is also the same type of grade. Not to mention that I have driven the Grape Vine (southern California) and kept quite happy in the fast lane most of the time. (Gotta keep away from those giant MINI crushing trucks!) 2002 Cooper . My CVT Transmission Self-destructed at 89,500 miles

Oct 2nd, 2002, 08:36 PM	#20 (permalink)
aoh MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Penang, Malaysia Local Time: 06:34 AM Posts: 53 Offline	Anybody know the 0-60 & top speed specs for the CVT cooper ? Any difference from the manual car ? AOH... Sept'02 Chilli Red Cooper

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