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JugMan · Feb 16th, 2003, 07:40 AM

G'day,
I was just wondering what would happen if you did a neutral drop in an auto with the CVT?

I know it's chronic for the transmission in a standard auto, but does anyone know what happens when you do it with CVT?

Cheers,
Jug

Goodspeed · Feb 16th, 2003, 01:46 PM

I know neutral drops are fun but as a rule of thumb retain that practice for rental cars. Why don't you try to stand on the brakes instead. That seems to be the lessor of two evils methinks.

JugMan · Feb 16th, 2003, 09:16 PM

I don't actually own a mini to try it with, so there's no fear there... But a group of us were talking about it the other night, and just wondered what would happen.

Cheers,
Jug

nonsequitur · Feb 16th, 2003, 09:31 PM

Since I'm trying to figure out this transmission (See threads in General, Faults, Cooper), I'll bite.

What's a "Neutral Drop"? :-)!!

sjbartnik · Feb 16th, 2003, 11:04 PM

I think that what would happen is that you'd be buying a new CVT in short order

nonsequitur · Feb 17th, 2003, 01:07 AM

So what is Neutral Drop?

Sejanus · Feb 17th, 2003, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnewald
So what is Neutral Drop?

Yeah.

MiniMan7 · Feb 17th, 2003, 01:17 AM

Ya... what is a neutral drop?

MiniMan7 · Feb 17th, 2003, 01:17 AM

Sounds interesting none the less!!!

nfo · Feb 17th, 2003, 01:23 AM

c'mon.......you don't know what a neutral drop is?
leave car in neutral, get the rpm's pretty high, pop it in drive!
not anything i'll be doing with my cvt!

MiniMan7 · Feb 17th, 2003, 01:28 AM

Eeek!! Don't like the sound of that!

PigLick · Feb 17th, 2003, 05:28 AM

My guess is that with the CVT, it simply wouldn't go into gear. Of course I could be wrong, and I'm definitely not going to volunteer to be the guinea pig and find out!

PigLick

JugMan · Feb 17th, 2003, 05:35 AM

Yeah, I don't blame anyone for not trying it. If it strips transmission when you do it in a standard Auto car, It can't be healthy for a CVT...

nonsequitur · Feb 22nd, 2003, 12:28 AM

Thanks for detailing what this means, and now I can say that I've seen it done ... with the most amazing scattered parts on an older GM unit. I wouldn't want to see the effect on our CVT, although it should be programmed to just wait until the revs come down. I wonder if the programming wouldn't protect the equipment (as I'm told the BMW SMG unit is supposedly proofed against this "mistake").

nonsequitur · Mar 8th, 2003, 05:01 PM

The Owner's Manual (p.46, top right column) states that the CVT transmission "is blocked" from being engaged if engine rpm is too high "to protect the transmission."

This tells me that this Neutral Drop idea would not work.

Who is going to try it?(!!!)

sig33kde · Jun 2nd, 2004, 01:35 AM

I was thinking about this myself tonight... as well could you define "too high" is there like a 3000rpm or higher limit? cause I still think this would add significant kick - but I dont wanna kill my CVT in the process...

nonsequitur · Jun 2nd, 2004, 02:23 AM

The motor is rpm-limited to 4000rpm in P, N, and R. Just rev it up and the limiter will show you very clearly how it works ... 4000rpm exactly.

niggelig · Jul 19th, 2004, 11:40 AM

u will not be very successful in trying "neutral drops".
the shift is locked when u have more than 2k rpm.

Feb 16th, 2003, 07:40 AM	#1
JugMan MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brisbane - North Side Local Time: 04:04 AM Posts: 510 Offline	CVT Neutral Drop G'day, I was just wondering what would happen if you did a neutral drop in an auto with the CVT? I know it's chronic for the transmission in a standard auto, but does anyone know what happens when you do it with CVT? Cheers, Jug

Feb 16th, 2003, 11:04 PM	#5 (permalink)
sjbartnik MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Local Time: 02:04 PM Posts: 629 Offline	I think that what would happen is that you'd be buying a new CVT in short order Sean Bartnik 2003 MINI Cooper S

Feb 17th, 2003, 01:17 AM	#8 (permalink)
MiniMan7 Let's Motor. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Local Time: 03:04 PM Posts: 2,897 Offline	Ya... what is a neutral drop? http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/16791/32165.jpg

Feb 17th, 2003, 01:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
MiniMan7 Let's Motor. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Local Time: 03:04 PM Posts: 2,897 Offline	Sounds interesting none the less!!! http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/16791/32165.jpg

Feb 17th, 2003, 01:28 AM	#11 (permalink)
MiniMan7 Let's Motor. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Local Time: 03:04 PM Posts: 2,897 Offline	Eeek!! Don't like the sound of that! http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/16791/32165.jpg

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Feb 16th, 2003, 01:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
Goodspeed MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Big N, CT Local Time: 01:04 PM Posts: 53 Offline	I know neutral drops are fun but as a rule of thumb retain that practice for rental cars. Why don't you try to stand on the brakes instead. That seems to be the lessor of two evils methinks.

Feb 16th, 2003, 09:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
JugMan MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brisbane - North Side Local Time: 04:04 AM Posts: 510 Offline	I don't actually own a mini to try it with, so there's no fear there... But a group of us were talking about it the other night, and just wondered what would happen. Cheers, Jug

Feb 16th, 2003, 09:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 11:04 AM Posts: 1,466 Offline	Since I'm trying to figure out this transmission (See threads in General, Faults, Cooper), I'll bite. What's a "Neutral Drop"? :-)!!

Feb 17th, 2003, 01:07 AM	#6 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 11:04 AM Posts: 1,466 Offline	So what is Neutral Drop?

Feb 17th, 2003, 01:15 AM	#7 (permalink)
Sejanus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: West Sacramento Local Time: 11:04 AM Posts: 4,222 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by johnewald So what is Neutral Drop? Yeah.

Feb 17th, 2003, 01:23 AM	#10 (permalink)
nfo MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2002 Local Time: 01:04 PM Posts: 332 Offline	c'mon.......you don't know what a neutral drop is? leave car in neutral, get the rpm's pretty high, pop it in drive! not anything i'll be doing with my cvt!

Feb 17th, 2003, 05:28 AM	#12 (permalink)
PigLick MINI2 Senior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: us Local Time: 10:04 AM Posts: 512 Offline	My guess is that with the CVT, it simply wouldn't go into gear. Of course I could be wrong, and I'm definitely not going to volunteer to be the guinea pig and find out! PigLick

Feb 17th, 2003, 05:35 AM	#13 (permalink)
JugMan MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brisbane - North Side Local Time: 04:04 AM Posts: 510 Offline	Yeah, I don't blame anyone for not trying it. If it strips transmission when you do it in a standard Auto car, It can't be healthy for a CVT...

Feb 22nd, 2003, 12:28 AM	#14 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 11:04 AM Posts: 1,466 Offline	Thanks for detailing what this means, and now I can say that I've seen it done ... with the most amazing scattered parts on an older GM unit. I wouldn't want to see the effect on our CVT, although it should be programmed to just wait until the revs come down. I wonder if the programming wouldn't protect the equipment (as I'm told the BMW SMG unit is supposedly proofed against this "mistake").

Mar 8th, 2003, 05:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 11:04 AM Posts: 1,466 Offline	The Owner's Manual (p.46, top right column) states that the CVT transmission "is blocked" from being engaged if engine rpm is too high "to protect the transmission." This tells me that this Neutral Drop idea would not work. Who is going to try it?(!!!) '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0") Last edited by nonsequitur : Jun 2nd, 2004 at 02:17 AM. Reason: Corrected spelling

Jun 2nd, 2004, 01:35 AM	#16 (permalink)
sig33kde MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2003 Local Time: 02:04 PM Posts: 43 Offline	I was thinking about this myself tonight... as well could you define "too high" is there like a 3000rpm or higher limit? cause I still think this would add significant kick - but I dont wanna kill my CVT in the process...

Jun 2nd, 2004, 02:23 AM	#17 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 11:04 AM Posts: 1,466 Offline	The motor is rpm-limited to 4000rpm in P, N, and R. Just rev it up and the limiter will show you very clearly how it works ... 4000rpm exactly. '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0")

Jul 19th, 2004, 11:40 AM	#18 (permalink)
niggelig MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2003 Local Time: 06:04 PM Posts: 6 Offline	u will not be very successful in trying "neutral drops". the shift is locked when u have more than 2k rpm.

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