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collibosher · Jun 28th, 2003, 03:45 PM

i only have a little over 4000 miles on mine but it seems to be getting better with age. i had it stall twice in the first couple weeks i got the car from the dealer when coming to a full stop.. and was quite perplexed. then i noticed a strange lurch once or twice in the next few weeks. but after 4000 miles or so the only thing i feel is the yo - yo effect at 8 to 10 mph, which i actually think is fun !? the car seems to have adapted well to my driving style and i have no complaints about the CVT! you just have to get over that break in period.

elmadi · Jun 29th, 2003, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Electrc109
I got back from a 4k mi. road trip and now have 20500 miles on my CVT. I haven't had any problems for months now, and have had my MINI for 11 months now. I have the most updated software which has improved the CVT greatly.

Seems you are the most mileage so far!

hlellelid · Jul 7th, 2003, 02:49 AM

We have a 9/02 build Cooper w/ CVT. It now has around 9k miles on it (just got back from the 9k service). I don't know what software version number we have (how do I find out? --or do they have to tell me?), but we've had the software updated every single time we've brought it into the shop -- which is at least 4 times now in the life of this car. We've also had other trouble -- e.g. steering wheel pump replaced, and of course the recall for transmission fluid. The CVT, though, is insanely irritating. The "rubber-banding" effect at 8-10 mph is very frustrating for someone who commutes 45 minutes to & from work in traffic moving at .... you guessed it ... 8-10 mph. Besides that annoyance, the car has stalled an uncountable number of times -- after every software upgrade. Stalls at traffic lights, while driving at low speeds, etc. It's insanely annoying, and they haven't been able to fix it in the last 3 attempts. We don't drive it much (largely due to the unreliable / scary feeling of the frequent stalling) so there's an outside chance that the latest software udpate solved that problem; the car feels the same, though -- rubber-banding, hopping, etc -- so I'd be surprised if it didn't stall next time we drive it for more than 30 minutes.

CVT = Bad idea. Too bad the driving sucks, because otherwise it's a fun car

-HL

Sejanus · Jul 7th, 2003, 07:15 AM

hlellelid, sounds like its time to call it a lemon. The stalling you are experiencing sounds pretty severe and atypical. My CVT has never once stalled. The problem may well be a transmission problem (though I wonder if it isn't something else since the reprogamming doesn't seem to be helping), but it isn't a CVT problem in the sense that the CVT's have been particularly prone to it.

punkeyfunky · Jul 7th, 2003, 12:40 PM

Ordered: 18th March
Delivered: 21st March
Build: March 03
9000 miles since then (now 7th July).

My commute is 60 miles each way, bulk is on motorway and the 15 miles is town/heavy traffic.

Car has been faultless. No issues with idle, stalling, or pogo type behaviour.

No idea what version software is; don't know how to check...

Lee aka PunkeyFunky

ar75 · Jul 8th, 2003, 05:02 PM

Ordered: April 02
Delivered: May 02
Built: Mar 02
14,000 km
New things in my car: several software updates, backrest of the passenger seat, steering pump, motor of power window, air induction box and CVT gearbox.

See what I mean!

cooper4us · Jul 9th, 2003, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ar75
Ordered: April 02
Delivered: May 02
Built: Mar 02
14,000 km
New things in my car: several software updates, backrest of the passenger seat, steering pump, motor of power window, air induction box and CVT gearbox.

See what I mean!

Well dump it! Move on! Wouldn't you agree?

bg1229 · Jul 10th, 2003, 05:08 PM

HAD A FAULTY WIRING HARNESS REPLACED AT 7700,IMPROVED MILEAGE ON HIGHWAY TO 31MPG,NOT BAD FOR AN AUTOMATIC.LOVE THE CVT,LOVE THE CAR.MY ONLY REGRET IS THAT SOMETIMES I HAVE TO WORK SO THE CAR STAYS IN THE PARKING LOT.BUILD DATE 11/02.GOOD LUCK WITH YOU NEW MINI

nonsequitur · Jul 10th, 2003, 06:07 PM

hlellelid, In a conversation about gas (octane, quality, availability) with members of another list (Audi), the consensus there is that running the correct fuel is critically important in modern cars (even though the car's electronics will adjust for lower octane), and enhancing it with additives like toluene (some call this mix "rocket fuel") does in fact produce much better performance.

So just a simple confirming question: you've been using unleaded premium 92, right? Have you tried any other brands to see if factors like fuel may affect your stalling?

cooper4us, We are still running strong after the 10K service and 33.2 software install in early June. I've had several track days too.

This CVT is a very sophisticated drivetrain that's now working very well for us. No stalls, no jerking, no rough shifts to D from R. The dyno experience early this week showed how tightly software is managing the tranny and engine, and how consistent it is, which should turn out to be a defining characteristic of the CVT configuration (think bracket racing wins).

MINIsota_Cuke · Jul 11th, 2003, 03:17 AM

johnewald,
You had your CVT on a dyno earlier this week?
Please give us all the results.
Thanks

nonsequitur · Jul 11th, 2003, 04:31 AM

I've put some initial notes in the Driving Technique thread:
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...582#post433719

And added some of the data to Objective Testing for you to look at:
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...921#post433746

caminifan · Jun 12th, 2004, 06:48 PM

So, what is the latest update on high mileage CVTs? Who has driven the CVT the furthest without problems? I am really curious about the logevity of the EcoTronic CVT.

cooper_sport · Jun 12th, 2004, 06:55 PM

I had done 29750 miles without any problems but today the CVT failed. Not sure what the problems is will hopefully find out on Monday.

caminifan · Jun 13th, 2004, 09:43 PM

cooper_sport, please post the results regarding your visit to the dealer. I am attempting to get a read on whether the CVT will last at least 100,000 miles or, whether I should just wait until January, 2005 and order an S with automatic transmission option.

Sejanus · Jun 14th, 2004, 06:24 AM

Just broke 30,000 miles this weekend. No transmissions problems to report.

Willy · Jun 14th, 2004, 02:25 PM

Just broke 48,000 and the CVT tranny is just fine, thank you.

The real test will be in 200 more miles when the warranty is up.

nonsequitur · Jun 14th, 2004, 03:49 PM

We're cruisin' with no issues at all, at "just" 19,581 miles on the clock!

caminifan · Jun 14th, 2004, 05:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Willy

Just broke 48,000 and the CVT tranny is just fine, thank you.

The real test will be in 200 more miles when the warranty is up.

I like the 48,000 mile number. Anyone else with a higher number? Yes, the real test will be when the warranty is up. Have you considered an extended warranty?

cooper_sport · Jun 14th, 2004, 06:20 PM

update here ====> http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...436#post916436

Willy · Mar 23rd, 2005, 03:55 PM

I just hit 75,000 miles and still not problems with the CVT. Overall, my MINI is quite the workhorse for my high mileage driving.

Jun 28th, 2003, 03:45 PM	#21
collibosher MINI2 Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Location: ocean city Local Time: 01:02 AM Posts: 24 Offline	i only have a little over 4000 miles on mine but it seems to be getting better with age. i had it stall twice in the first couple weeks i got the car from the dealer when coming to a full stop.. and was quite perplexed. then i noticed a strange lurch once or twice in the next few weeks. but after 4000 miles or so the only thing i feel is the yo - yo effect at 8 to 10 mph, which i actually think is fun !? the car seems to have adapted well to my driving style and i have no complaints about the CVT! you just have to get over that break in period. crunchy frog

Jul 7th, 2003, 02:49 AM	#23 (permalink)
hlellelid MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2003 Local Time: 05:02 AM Posts: 3 Offline	CVT problems We have a 9/02 build Cooper w/ CVT. It now has around 9k miles on it (just got back from the 9k service). I don't know what software version number we have (how do I find out? --or do they have to tell me?), but we've had the software updated every single time we've brought it into the shop -- which is at least 4 times now in the life of this car. We've also had other trouble -- e.g. steering wheel pump replaced, and of course the recall for transmission fluid. The CVT, though, is insanely irritating. The "rubber-banding" effect at 8-10 mph is very frustrating for someone who commutes 45 minutes to & from work in traffic moving at .... you guessed it ... 8-10 mph. Besides that annoyance, the car has stalled an uncountable number of times -- after every software upgrade. Stalls at traffic lights, while driving at low speeds, etc. It's insanely annoying, and they haven't been able to fix it in the last 3 attempts. We don't drive it much (largely due to the unreliable / scary feeling of the frequent stalling) so there's an outside chance that the latest software udpate solved that problem; the car feels the same, though -- rubber-banding, hopping, etc -- so I'd be surprised if it didn't stall next time we drive it for more than 30 minutes. CVT = Bad idea. Too bad the driving sucks, because otherwise it's a fun car -HL

Jul 9th, 2003, 12:16 AM	#27 (permalink)
cooper4us MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Local Time: 12:02 AM Posts: 1,423 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by ar75 Ordered: April 02 Delivered: May 02 Built: Mar 02 14,000 km New things in my car: several software updates, backrest of the passenger seat, steering pump, motor of power window, air induction box and CVT gearbox. See what I mean! Well dump it! Move on! Wouldn't you agree? '02 MINI Cooper CVT On Order: 2004 MCS (Est production date: 9/5/03)

Jul 10th, 2003, 06:07 PM	#29 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 10:02 PM Posts: 1,466 Offline	hlellelid, In a conversation about gas (octane, quality, availability) with members of another list (Audi), the consensus there is that running the correct fuel is critically important in modern cars (even though the car's electronics will adjust for lower octane), and enhancing it with additives like toluene (some call this mix "rocket fuel") does in fact produce much better performance. So just a simple confirming question: you've been using unleaded premium 92, right? Have you tried any other brands to see if factors like fuel may affect your stalling? cooper4us, We are still running strong after the 10K service and 33.2 software install in early June. I've had several track days too. This CVT is a very sophisticated drivetrain that's now working very well for us. No stalls, no jerking, no rough shifts to D from R. The dyno experience early this week showed how tightly software is managing the tranny and engine, and how consistent it is, which should turn out to be a defining characteristic of the CVT configuration (think bracket racing wins). '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0")

Jul 11th, 2003, 03:17 AM	#30 (permalink)
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Jun 29th, 2003, 01:40 AM	#22 (permalink)
elmadi MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cook County,Illinois Local Time: 11:02 PM Posts: 259 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Electrc109 I got back from a 4k mi. road trip and now have 20500 miles on my CVT. I haven't had any problems for months now, and have had my MINI for 11 months now. I have the most updated software which has improved the CVT greatly. Seems you are the most mileage so far!

Jul 7th, 2003, 07:15 AM	#24 (permalink)
Sejanus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: West Sacramento Local Time: 10:02 PM Posts: 4,305 Offline	hlellelid, sounds like its time to call it a lemon. The stalling you are experiencing sounds pretty severe and atypical. My CVT has never once stalled. The problem may well be a transmission problem (though I wonder if it isn't something else since the reprogamming doesn't seem to be helping), but it isn't a CVT problem in the sense that the CVT's have been particularly prone to it.

Jul 7th, 2003, 12:40 PM	#25 (permalink)
punkeyfunky UberGeek Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Milton Keynes Local Time: 05:02 AM Posts: 862 Offline	Ordered: 18th March Delivered: 21st March Build: March 03 9000 miles since then (now 7th July). My commute is 60 miles each way, bulk is on motorway and the 15 miles is town/heavy traffic. Car has been faultless. No issues with idle, stalling, or pogo type behaviour. No idea what version software is; don't know how to check... Lee aka PunkeyFunky

Jul 8th, 2003, 05:02 PM	#26 (permalink)
ar75 MINI2 Senior Join Date: May 2002 Local Time: 01:02 PM Posts: 510 Offline	Ordered: April 02 Delivered: May 02 Built: Mar 02 14,000 km New things in my car: several software updates, backrest of the passenger seat, steering pump, motor of power window, air induction box and CVT gearbox. See what I mean!

Jul 10th, 2003, 05:08 PM	#28 (permalink)
bg1229 MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: in the brook Local Time: 01:02 AM Posts: 944 Offline	HAD A FAULTY WIRING HARNESS REPLACED AT 7700,IMPROVED MILEAGE ON HIGHWAY TO 31MPG,NOT BAD FOR AN AUTOMATIC.LOVE THE CVT,LOVE THE CAR.MY ONLY REGRET IS THAT SOMETIMES I HAVE TO WORK SO THE CAR STAYS IN THE PARKING LOT.BUILD DATE 11/02.GOOD LUCK WITH YOU NEW MINI

Jul 11th, 2003, 04:31 AM	#31 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 10:02 PM Posts: 1,466 Offline	I've put some initial notes in the Driving Technique thread: http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...582#post433719 And added some of the data to Objective Testing for you to look at: http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...921#post433746 '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0") Last edited by johnewald : Jul 11th, 2003 at 06:08 AM.

Jun 12th, 2004, 06:48 PM	#32 (permalink)
caminifan MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2004 Local Time: 09:02 PM Posts: 56 Offline	So, what is the latest update on high mileage CVTs? Who has driven the CVT the furthest without problems? I am really curious about the logevity of the EcoTronic CVT. Last edited by caminifan : Jun 13th, 2004 at 09:41 PM.

Jun 12th, 2004, 06:55 PM	#33 (permalink)
cooper_sport A.K.A Gray-Boy Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bournemouth, Dorset Local Time: 06:02 AM Posts: 309 Offline	I had done 29750 miles without any problems but today the CVT failed. Not sure what the problems is will hopefully find out on Monday. MINI race car driver wannabe

Jun 13th, 2004, 09:43 PM	#34 (permalink)
caminifan MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2004 Local Time: 09:02 PM Posts: 56 Offline	cooper_sport, please post the results regarding your visit to the dealer. I am attempting to get a read on whether the CVT will last at least 100,000 miles or, whether I should just wait until January, 2005 and order an S with automatic transmission option.

Jun 14th, 2004, 06:24 AM	#35 (permalink)
Sejanus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: West Sacramento Local Time: 10:02 PM Posts: 4,305 Offline	Just broke 30,000 miles this weekend. No transmissions problems to report.

Jun 14th, 2004, 02:25 PM	#36 (permalink)
Willy MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Running From The Law Local Time: 01:02 AM Posts: 2,415 Offline	Just broke 48,000 and the CVT tranny is just fine, thank you. The real test will be in 200 more miles when the warranty is up. http://billlawrence.blogspot.com

Jun 14th, 2004, 03:49 PM	#37 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 10:02 PM Posts: 1,466 Offline	We're cruisin' with no issues at all, at "just" 19,581 miles on the clock! '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0")

Jun 14th, 2004, 05:50 PM	#38 (permalink)
caminifan MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2004 Local Time: 09:02 PM Posts: 56 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Willy Just broke 48,000 and the CVT tranny is just fine, thank you. The real test will be in 200 more miles when the warranty is up. I like the 48,000 mile number. Anyone else with a higher number? Yes, the real test will be when the warranty is up. Have you considered an extended warranty?

Jun 14th, 2004, 06:20 PM	#39 (permalink)
cooper_sport A.K.A Gray-Boy Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bournemouth, Dorset Local Time: 06:02 AM Posts: 309 Offline	update here ====> http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...436#post916436 MINI race car driver wannabe

Mar 23rd, 2005, 03:55 PM	#40 (permalink)
Willy MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Running From The Law Local Time: 01:02 AM Posts: 2,415 Offline	I just hit 75,000 miles and still not problems with the CVT. Overall, my MINI is quite the workhorse for my high mileage driving. http://billlawrence.blogspot.com

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