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Rainbow-Walker · Sep 4th, 2003, 06:52 PM

Johnewald, new Coopers do seem to change from 5,500 to 6,000 after run in (Mine did, now shows 6,000 redline).

Not sure if this is because of the software version (anyone know how I can check this ? )

phubear · Sep 4th, 2003, 07:01 PM

Same for me; 5.5K when i picked it up and after break-in it went to 6K. Early 03' Production CVT.

nonsequitur · Sep 4th, 2003, 11:05 PM

Sorry guys, asked the question incorrectly.

Does your Tach show a 5500rpm or 6000rpm visible-with-red-lights redline indication?

The car "shifts" at 6000rpm, but the indicated redline is 5500rpm on ours. This redline is produced by the CVT transmission input shaft speed limit, not the motor which would otherwise have the same redline as the 5-speed manual. I think this also produces the lower top end speed of 115mph in the CVT (anyone tested this yet?).

uptick · Sep 5th, 2003, 12:42 AM

Mine is a June 2003 build, currently 3200 miles:

Engine on, at idle.

nonsequitur · Sep 5th, 2003, 04:21 AM

That's what our looks like: 5500rpm "indicated" redline. uptick, thanks for the image.

These red lights (5500 - 8000rpm) are rumored to be in the software but I guess we don't really know that to be true. If they're in software (same physical Tach, but different settings for Cooper, Cooper CVT, Cooper S), then the settings can be changed.

There is also a rumor that hasn't been confirmed that these redline indications change after breakin. Ours were 5500rpm to start and remain 5500rpm today after lots of time and miles at high rpm in SD and Steptronic.

wils · Sep 5th, 2003, 02:11 PM

i think i understand now
u know how i said my car was broken in ages ago but still the lights showed 5.5k? but then when kickdown the redline is 6k? well yes that was all true...but then went in for my first service oil change thing today and they upgraded my software...not sure what version but he assured me it was the latest when i asked him...and then i turned on my car and turned on the lights and i was like WTF the two little lights don't light up anymore (as in between 5.5k and 6) so i drove around for a few minutes then started fanging my baby and it still shifted at 6 so i'm just thinking it's a software thing now....i'm not really making sense am i? hmmm

nonsequitur · Sep 5th, 2003, 03:43 PM

OK, this is important wsw ...

You're saying that the red lights on your Tach >start< at 6000rpm, not 5500rpm, as a change introduced by the new software flash you just had installed? This would mean that your car now "shifts" at 6000rpm (as it always did) with the indicator needle on the Tach showing redline at that same point. Correct?

If true, then MINI/BMW listens and they have now solved another one of our requests! Very cool.

Please call your dealer to confirm what version of software (CD#3x.x) was installed, and post it back here for us.

Rainbow-Walker · Sep 5th, 2003, 05:39 PM

As stated many times above already, my LIGHTS start at 6K (but was 5.5K pre run in).

nonsequitur · Sep 5th, 2003, 06:34 PM

Rainbow-Walker, what software version is in your car, since it appears that software is where the switches are?

nonsequitur · Sep 5th, 2003, 06:37 PM

There is no in-car, home-shop way to check software version that I know about. It's necessary to call the dealer where you do your service.

punkeyfunky · Sep 5th, 2003, 06:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by johnewald

OK, this is important wsw ...

You're saying that the red lights on your Tach >start< at 6000rpm, not 5500rpm, as a change introduced by the new software flash you just had installed? This would mean that your car now "shifts" at 6000rpm (as it always did) with the indicator needle on the Tach showing redline at that same point. Correct?

If true, then MINI/BMW listens and they have now solved another one of our requests! Very cool.

Please call your dealer to confirm what version of software (CD#3x.x) was installed, and post it back here for us.

Me too. CVT Cooper, March 03 build.

Note the two non-illuminated "bars" at between 5000 and 6000 rpm.

Lee

nonsequitur · Sep 5th, 2003, 06:55 PM

From a very old joke: "LRB" (Hell, I'll be [damned]) they did it!

This makes the MINI Cooper CVT (sometimes affectionately referenced as "driving software" with all its electronics, e-throttle, e-CVT, and multiple computers) driver readouts logical. We could never understand the concept of a "cushion" between the computer controlled redline and "shift" points and the inaccurate cockpit readout from the Tach. The machine should act the way it tells the driver is correct.

This one issue appears to be fixed! Congratulations to MINI.

We still need to verify the software version that downloads this feature change, or (I hope not) the cut-in date for a revised version of the Tach.

punkeyfunky · Sep 5th, 2003, 08:07 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by johnewald

From a very old joke: "LRB" (Hell, I'll be [damned]) they did it!

This makes the MINI Cooper CVT (sometimes affectionately referenced as "driving software" with all its electronics, e-throttle, e-CVT, and multiple computers) driver readouts logical. We could never understand the concept of a "cushion" between the computer controlled redline and "shift" points and the inaccurate cockpit readout from the Tach. The machine should act the way it tells the driver is correct.

This one issue appears to be fixed! Congratulations to MINI.

We still need to verify the software version that downloads this feature change, or (I hope not) the cut-in date for a revised version of the Tach.

I guess I should clarify that the two 'blank' bars were like that even from day one; they've *never* lit up. I think this supports what you are saying.

But I could be wrong

All in all, I think that the CVT is very well worked out. I've driven lots of auto's (forced to due to that damn accident and parlysis) and the MC/CVT box comes second only to the one in the Supra.

I'll gladly tell which software I've got, if someone can tell me how to look for it.

Lee

nonsequitur · Sep 5th, 2003, 09:00 PM

punkeyfunky, you've got a very recent build car I think so you may have the software already loaded that we must still get.

Calling your dealer where service is performed is the only way I know to get the version number.

cjay · Sep 6th, 2003, 02:10 AM

On my new May 03 build CVT the lights don't come on till 6000. On my June 02 build it went to 5500 (but was known to hit 6500)

the new car revs and pulls much better than the old one, they have obviously made a more changes other than turning off a few lights.

wils · Sep 6th, 2003, 03:27 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by johnewald

OK, this is important wsw ...

You're saying that the red lights on your Tach >start< at 6000rpm, not 5500rpm, as a change introduced by the new software flash you just had installed? This would mean that your car now "shifts" at 6000rpm (as it always did) with the indicator needle on the Tach showing redline at that same point. Correct?

If true, then MINI/BMW listens and they have now solved another one of our requests! Very cool.

Please call your dealer to confirm what version of software (CD#3x.x) was installed, and post it back here for us.

yeah that's pretty much exactly what i'm saying...before i went into service, the lights turned on at 5500rpm but the car shifted at 6000rpm
now after the service, the two lights are off so now the lights are only on from 6000rpm
im going back into MINI to fix my boot on monday and i was planning to hang around and watch them do it anyway so i'll ask what version of software they've got there...when i asked the guy who was looking after me he couldn't tell me but he assured me that it was the latest version that BMW had given them...

nonsequitur · Sep 6th, 2003, 03:36 AM

Thanks guys. This is very good news. Let us know the software version number when you get it.

nonsequitur · Oct 22nd, 2003, 03:36 PM

wsw or anyone else getting the latest upgrades:

Has your tach been altered to show a 6000rpm redline by this latest upgrade? Is it CD#36.0?

LordWinslow · Nov 11th, 2003, 10:53 PM

This morning when I was entering the highway, I noticed that my Rev counter now starts red lining at 6K. I know before today I was seeing the red line at 5.5K. The only difference was I had service yesterday, 25K serverice to be exact. I am wondering if they updated my CVT software and when that was completed it changed my rev counter. I am going to call my dealer in the AM to find out.

Winslow

nonsequitur · Nov 11th, 2003, 11:24 PM

I think this is great news, and I think you'll confirm that your dealer did update the software as part of your 25K Service. Please post what you find out, LordWinslow.

Sep 4th, 2003, 11:05 PM	#23 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 06:39 PM Posts: 1,466 Offline	Sorry guys, asked the question incorrectly. Does your Tach show a 5500rpm or 6000rpm visible-with-red-lights redline indication? The car "shifts" at 6000rpm, but the indicated redline is 5500rpm on ours. This redline is produced by the CVT transmission input shaft speed limit, not the motor which would otherwise have the same redline as the 5-speed manual. I think this also produces the lower top end speed of 115mph in the CVT (anyone tested this yet?). '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0") Last edited by johnewald : Sep 5th, 2003 at 04:23 AM.

Sep 5th, 2003, 04:21 AM	#25 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 06:39 PM Posts: 1,466 Offline	That's what our looks like: 5500rpm "indicated" redline. uptick, thanks for the image. These red lights (5500 - 8000rpm) are rumored to be in the software but I guess we don't really know that to be true. If they're in software (same physical Tach, but different settings for Cooper, Cooper CVT, Cooper S), then the settings can be changed. There is also a rumor that hasn't been confirmed that these redline indications change after breakin. Ours were 5500rpm to start and remain 5500rpm today after lots of time and miles at high rpm in SD and Steptronic. '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0")

Sep 5th, 2003, 03:43 PM	#27 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 06:39 PM Posts: 1,466 Offline	OK, this is important wsw ... You're saying that the red lights on your Tach >start< at 6000rpm, not 5500rpm, as a change introduced by the new software flash you just had installed? This would mean that your car now "shifts" at 6000rpm (as it always did) with the indicator needle on the Tach showing redline at that same point. Correct? If true, then MINI/BMW listens and they have now solved another one of our requests! Very cool. Please call your dealer to confirm what version of software (CD#3x.x) was installed, and post it back here for us. '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0")

Sep 5th, 2003, 06:34 PM	#29 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 06:39 PM Posts: 1,466 Offline	Rainbow-Walker, what software version is in your car, since it appears that software is where the switches are? '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0")

Sep 5th, 2003, 06:37 PM	#30 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 06:39 PM Posts: 1,466 Offline	There is no in-car, home-shop way to check software version that I know about. It's necessary to call the dealer where you do your service. '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0")

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Sep 4th, 2003, 06:52 PM	#21
Rainbow-Walker MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Nottingham Local Time: 02:39 AM Posts: 183 Offline	Johnewald, new Coopers do seem to change from 5,500 to 6,000 after run in (Mine did, now shows 6,000 redline). Not sure if this is because of the software version (anyone know how I can check this ? )

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Sep 4th, 2003, 07:01 PM	#22 (permalink)
phubear Minty Cooper's owner Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: California Local Time: 06:39 PM Posts: 217 Offline	Same for me; 5.5K when i picked it up and after break-in it went to 6K. Early 03' Production CVT.

Sep 5th, 2003, 12:42 AM	#24 (permalink)
uptick MINI2 somebody Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NY Local Time: 09:39 PM Posts: 901 Offline	Mine is a June 2003 build, currently 3200 miles: Engine on, at idle.

Sep 5th, 2003, 02:11 PM	#26 (permalink)
wils formerly known as wsw Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia Local Time: 11:39 AM Posts: 684 Offline	i think i understand now u know how i said my car was broken in ages ago but still the lights showed 5.5k? but then when kickdown the redline is 6k? well yes that was all true...but then went in for my first service oil change thing today and they upgraded my software...not sure what version but he assured me it was the latest when i asked him...and then i turned on my car and turned on the lights and i was like WTF the two little lights don't light up anymore (as in between 5.5k and 6) so i drove around for a few minutes then started fanging my baby and it still shifted at 6 so i'm just thinking it's a software thing now....i'm not really making sense am i? hmmm

Sep 5th, 2003, 05:39 PM	#28 (permalink)
Rainbow-Walker MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Nottingham Local Time: 02:39 AM Posts: 183 Offline	As stated many times above already, my LIGHTS start at 6K (but was 5.5K pre run in).

Sep 5th, 2003, 06:39 PM	#31 (permalink)
punkeyfunky UberGeek Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Milton Keynes Local Time: 01:39 AM Posts: 862 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by johnewald OK, this is important wsw ... You're saying that the red lights on your Tach >start< at 6000rpm, not 5500rpm, as a change introduced by the new software flash you just had installed? This would mean that your car now "shifts" at 6000rpm (as it always did) with the indicator needle on the Tach showing redline at that same point. Correct? If true, then MINI/BMW listens and they have now solved another one of our requests! Very cool. Please call your dealer to confirm what version of software (CD#3x.x) was installed, and post it back here for us. Me too. CVT Cooper, March 03 build. Note the two non-illuminated "bars" at between 5000 and 6000 rpm. Lee Attached Thumbnails

Sep 5th, 2003, 06:55 PM	#32 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 06:39 PM Posts: 1,466 Offline	From a very old joke: "LRB" (Hell, I'll be [damned]) they did it! This makes the MINI Cooper CVT (sometimes affectionately referenced as "driving software" with all its electronics, e-throttle, e-CVT, and multiple computers) driver readouts logical. We could never understand the concept of a "cushion" between the computer controlled redline and "shift" points and the inaccurate cockpit readout from the Tach. The machine should act the way it tells the driver is correct. This one issue appears to be fixed! Congratulations to MINI. We still need to verify the software version that downloads this feature change, or (I hope not) the cut-in date for a revised version of the Tach. '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0")

Sep 5th, 2003, 08:07 PM	#33 (permalink)
punkeyfunky UberGeek Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Milton Keynes Local Time: 01:39 AM Posts: 862 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by johnewald From a very old joke: "LRB" (Hell, I'll be [damned]) they did it! This makes the MINI Cooper CVT (sometimes affectionately referenced as "driving software" with all its electronics, e-throttle, e-CVT, and multiple computers) driver readouts logical. We could never understand the concept of a "cushion" between the computer controlled redline and "shift" points and the inaccurate cockpit readout from the Tach. The machine should act the way it tells the driver is correct. This one issue appears to be fixed! Congratulations to MINI. We still need to verify the software version that downloads this feature change, or (I hope not) the cut-in date for a revised version of the Tach. I guess I should clarify that the two 'blank' bars were like that even from day one; they've never lit up. I think this supports what you are saying. But I could be wrong All in all, I think that the CVT is very well worked out. I've driven lots of auto's (forced to due to that damn accident and parlysis) and the MC/CVT box comes second only to the one in the Supra. I'll gladly tell which software I've got, if someone can tell me how to look for it. Lee

Sep 5th, 2003, 09:00 PM	#34 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 06:39 PM Posts: 1,466 Offline	punkeyfunky, you've got a very recent build car I think so you may have the software already loaded that we must still get. Calling your dealer where service is performed is the only way I know to get the version number. '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0")

Sep 6th, 2003, 02:10 AM	#35 (permalink)
cjay "No Works for me!" Join Date: Jan 2003 Local Time: 11:39 AM Posts: 489 Offline	On my new May 03 build CVT the lights don't come on till 6000. On my June 02 build it went to 5500 (but was known to hit 6500) the new car revs and pulls much better than the old one, they have obviously made a more changes other than turning off a few lights.

Sep 6th, 2003, 03:27 AM	#36 (permalink)
wils formerly known as wsw Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia Local Time: 11:39 AM Posts: 684 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by johnewald OK, this is important wsw ... You're saying that the red lights on your Tach >start< at 6000rpm, not 5500rpm, as a change introduced by the new software flash you just had installed? This would mean that your car now "shifts" at 6000rpm (as it always did) with the indicator needle on the Tach showing redline at that same point. Correct? If true, then MINI/BMW listens and they have now solved another one of our requests! Very cool. Please call your dealer to confirm what version of software (CD#3x.x) was installed, and post it back here for us. yeah that's pretty much exactly what i'm saying...before i went into service, the lights turned on at 5500rpm but the car shifted at 6000rpm now after the service, the two lights are off so now the lights are only on from 6000rpm im going back into MINI to fix my boot on monday and i was planning to hang around and watch them do it anyway so i'll ask what version of software they've got there...when i asked the guy who was looking after me he couldn't tell me but he assured me that it was the latest version that BMW had given them...

Sep 6th, 2003, 03:36 AM	#37 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 06:39 PM Posts: 1,466 Offline	Thanks guys. This is very good news. Let us know the software version number when you get it. '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0")

Oct 22nd, 2003, 03:36 PM	#38 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 06:39 PM Posts: 1,466 Offline	wsw or anyone else getting the latest upgrades: Has your tach been altered to show a 6000rpm redline by this latest upgrade? Is it CD#36.0? '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0")

Nov 11th, 2003, 10:53 PM	#39 (permalink)
LordWinslow Back... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Londonderry, NH Local Time: 08:39 PM Posts: 1,416 Offline	This morning when I was entering the highway, I noticed that my Rev counter now starts red lining at 6K. I know before today I was seeing the red line at 5.5K. The only difference was I had service yesterday, 25K serverice to be exact. I am wondering if they updated my CVT software and when that was completed it changed my rev counter. I am going to call my dealer in the AM to find out. Winslow This space for Rent

Nov 11th, 2003, 11:24 PM	#40 (permalink)
nonsequitur Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle area, WA Local Time: 06:39 PM Posts: 1,466 Offline	I think this is great news, and I think you'll confirm that your dealer did update the software as part of your 25K Service. Please post what you find out, LordWinslow. '02 MINI Cooper CVT (prod. date: 6/12/2002; Indi Blue/Black roof, R-81 7-hole 15x5.5" or NZO 16x6.5") '67 Austin Cooper S 1275 Mk1 (build date: 6/26/1967; Tartan Red/Black Roof, Minilite 10x4.5" or 10x6.0")

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