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Old Aug 29th, 2003, 07:35 AM   #1
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Yellow Cooper CVT + Rev limiter, am I going mad ?

I notice that our CVT cooper has a redline of 6,000 after 2300 miles. But Im sure it was 5,500 when we picked it up (there are two lights now not showing (5,500 and 5,750).

The car will now rev to 6000.

Can anyone remember, or anyone running in a CVT tell me if their redline is currently 5,500 ?

I just want to make sure Im not losing it.....

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Old Aug 29th, 2003, 11:39 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old Aug 29th, 2003, 03:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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No it lets you rev to 6K now, whereas it would only let rev to 5.5K before.
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Old Aug 29th, 2003, 03:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by Rainbow-Walker
No it lets you rev to 6K now, whereas it would only let rev to 5.5K before.

Same in my CVT MC. Those two lights *never* lit up - I figured it was deliberate.

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Old Aug 29th, 2003, 04:05 PM   #5 (permalink)
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is it not just because the same tacho is used in the ONE which has a lower rev limit or red line!?

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Old Aug 29th, 2003, 04:18 PM   #6 (permalink)
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In a CVT the lights should all be lit, the 'normal' redline is 5,500.

However, in 'kick down' the car will rev to 6,000 rpm, but still, all lights should be lit.
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Old Aug 29th, 2003, 05:34 PM   #7 (permalink)
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All lights lit ?

Paul, there is something inconsistent here...

I am wondering if there has been a change to the software to make the visible redline 6K (but only after run in period). I appreciate the 'real' redline has always been 6K.

I have been searching through the previous posts, and can see that the redline is 5.5K but the 'real' redline is indeed 6K

Has anyone taken delivery in the last couple of weeks of a CVT ?

Id like to know whether the car is run in, and what your rev limiter is showing.


Im wondering if the new car's will show a 5.5K redline until it has been run in (mileage wise), and then revert to 6K. (effectively just removing the visible 500rpm cushion).
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Old Aug 29th, 2003, 06:31 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by Rainbow-Walker
Paul, there is something inconsistent here...

I am wondering if there has been a change to the software to make the visible redline 6K (but only after run in period). I appreciate the 'real' redline has always been 6K.

I have been searching through the previous posts, and can see that the redline is 5.5K but the 'real' redline is indeed 6K

Has anyone taken delivery in the last couple of weeks of a CVT ?

Id like to know whether the car is run in, and what your rev limiter is showing.


Im wondering if the new car's will show a 5.5K redline until it has been run in (mileage wise), and then revert to 6K. (effectively just removing the visible 500rpm cushion).

Be interesting to hear, as the only inconsistency so far appears to be your car from what I can find on here.
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Old Aug 29th, 2003, 06:48 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Inconsistency

Paul, try scrolling up to punkeyfunky's post.....

He has the same 6K limit.....

So my presumption is that all CVT coopers will now have a 6K VISIBLE rev limit (the only remaining question is if this is 5.5K during run in).
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Quote: Originally Posted by Rainbow-Walker
Paul, try scrolling up to punkeyfunky's post.....

He has the same 6K limit.....

So my presumption is that all CVT coopers will now have a 6K VISIBLE rev limit (the only remaining question is if this is 5.5K during run in).

Oh yeah.

Looks like they might well have changed it then, be good if they did the run in too.

I guess the reason for the change could be the fact many people thought it odd it should go way into the red (I did the first time I drove a CVT). It makes more sense the redline being at the redline (if you see what I mean).
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Quote: Originally Posted by Rainbow-Walker
Paul, try scrolling up to punkeyfunky's post.....

He has the same 6K limit.....

So my presumption is that all CVT coopers will now have a 6K VISIBLE rev limit (the only remaining question is if this is 5.5K during run in).

As I said previously, my MC CVT has always shown a 6000rpm redline. Not that I pay that much attention to redline any

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I posted the exact same question as you back in early May 03. (03/03 build)
My CVT Cooper showed a 6000 redline, and I couldn't be sure that it hadn't changed up from 5500,
plus I saw different lit markings in various printed & online pics so I was confused about it. This was before the run-in was completed though.

Eventually I determined that
1. They did change the markings from 5500 to 6000.
2. It had always been 6000 on my car
3. In the daytime I thought those ticks would light up at night, and at night I was so thrilled with the giant orange speed-o-meter that I didn't notice they weren't lit.

(I traded the CVT back in w/ about 4100 miles on it and got a 5spd Cooper.)

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Old Aug 31st, 2003, 02:22 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Cool Anyone Running A Cvt In ???

OK, thanks for the replies guys, Im not going mad after all

Just to finish off htis thread, is anyone running in a CVT model, if so, WHAT REV LIMIT IS SHOWN ON YOUR REV COUNTER ?

The answer I would like is 5.5K, this will finally prove I am playing with a full deck.

Cheers.
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Old Sep 1st, 2003, 09:50 AM   #14 (permalink)
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ok went out to have a look at my car...the lights start at 5.5k
but i know that the rev limiter is at 6k
dun worry ur not going nuts
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Hooray !

Thanks for that WSW.

P.S.. how do you know the actual rev limit is 6K if your running it in

Cheers.
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oh i missed the running it in bit....i'm not running it in - i've had the car for a year now...it's a july2002 build
were u looking for a newer build? sorry abt that...thought u were just looking for CVTs
but anyway....just came back from driving it...the lights are lit from 5.5K but cutoff is at 6K
is that what ur thinking abt?
wasn't sure what the rev limiter was for when i was running it in, coz i never revved it that high!
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Quote: Originally Posted by Rainbow-Walker
Thanks for that WSW.

P.S.. how do you know the actual rev limit is 6K if your running it in

Cheers.

If you are running in, you won't be doing more than 4000rpm, so surely the rev limiter setting becomes irrelevant?

Are you curious or just about to abuse a new/tight engine?

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Quote: Originally Posted by wsw
oh i missed the running it in bit....i'm not running it in - i've had the car for a year now...it's a july2002 build
were u looking for a newer build? sorry abt that...thought u were just looking for CVTs
but anyway....just came back from driving it...the lights are lit from 5.5K but cutoff is at 6K
is that what ur thinking abt?
wasn't sure what the rev limiter was for when i was running it in, coz i never revved it that high!

In newer CVT MINIs the tach shows a 6000 rpm limit instead of 5500 rpm.
I don't know exactly when they changed it, maybe all 2003s.

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Old Sep 1st, 2003, 05:31 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Mullett
In a CVT the lights should all be lit, the 'normal' redline is 5,500.

However, in 'kick down' the car will rev to 6,000 rpm, but still, all lights should be lit.

I can confirm that too in my Mini does the same thing. Punch it, feel the click and then the car will rev up to 6,000 rpm.

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Old Sep 4th, 2003, 05:41 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I'm really not trying to prolong this thread, but may I ask if anyone has a CHANGE in their INDICATED redline on the face of the Tach?

The Cooper CVT redline has been an indicated 5,500rpm (the red lights start there) with a computer-contolled actual redline of 6,000rpm (where upshifts are performed).

Many have felt, even asked, that this should be changed so that the EMS2000-performed "shifts" happen at a correctly indicated redline of 6,000rpm. I don't thiink any change has yet happened in the software or on the tach face indication.

My Cooper CVT still shows 5,500rpm on the Tach.

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