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Bill Sz. · Apr 13th, 2002, 12:07 AM

Here is picture of the CVT shifter from our new car.

Liquid Yellow Cooper CVT -w- white roof & mirrors and sport package, leatherette and 16" 5-Star alloys (in our hot little hands); and,
Dark Silver Cooper S -w- white roof & mirrors, premium & sport packages and lapis blue/leather due in mid June.

Bill

hachomini · Apr 13th, 2002, 12:34 AM

Again, great pic! Have fun this weekend driving it! Do you have a grey interior? If you have more pics, please post!

ADO15 · Apr 13th, 2002, 08:46 PM

Hmmm, is it just me or have they even managed to get the gear "pattern" on the sequential shifter right too..?!?

Pull to shift up / push to shift down - no?

Bill Sz. · Apr 14th, 2002, 01:00 AM

ADO15: I don't think the Steptronic works that way. Because we are still in the break-in period we haven't tried the Sport/Steptronic mode yet. We are just putting around in "Drive." Tell you what. Tomorrow I will scan the owner's manual pages dealing with the Steptronic and post the pages here, so that you can read them for yourself.

KarmanS · Apr 14th, 2002, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ADO15
Hmmm, is it just me or have they even managed to get the gear "pattern" on the sequential shifter right too..?!?

Pull to shift up / push to shift down - no?

can you clarify what you mean by the gear "pattern"? Correct me if I am wrong, I believe the sequential shift layout is similar to that of the streptronic in BMWs. When in 'D', push to the right to activate the sequential shift mode, then pull back to shift up and push to shift down.

Basil · Apr 14th, 2002, 07:06 AM

Why wouldn't you "push" to change from 1st to 2nd and so on ?

Isn't that more logical ? ie: push (forward) to go faster, pull (backward) to slow down ?

ADO15 · Apr 14th, 2002, 07:32 AM

Basil,

The Smart got a system like that - and it justfeels completely backward to me... I'm "used" to sequential gearboxes as used in racecars and there you pull to shift up and push to shift down - mostly due to the fact that it's easier (G-Forces etc) and secondly because it feels more natural I think...

Karman,
With "pattern" I mean whilch way you push/pull the stick to shift up/down... just like I wrote :-) As for std. BMW steptronic boxes; I've never driven one so I wouldnt know... I've only driven the Smart - and that one got it all wrong (imho) - hence my question to Bill

Bill,
I dont think you need to read the manual for that - isn't it written with "big" letters just beside the stick? Certainly look like it to me...

Basil · Apr 14th, 2002, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ADO15
Basil,

The Smart got a system like that - and it justfeels completely backward to me... I'm "used" to sequential gearboxes as used in racecars and there you pull to shift up and push to shift down - mostly due to the fact that it's easier (G-Forces etc) and secondly because it feels more natural I think...

Hmmm, it's interesting. The G-force's comment makes a lot of sense, but otherwise it seems illogical. Maybe it's just a case of what your used to.... I'm almost certain the Porsche tiptronic boxes "push" for up changes. I'll check up, and if wrong, report back.

culdeus · Apr 14th, 2002, 10:58 AM

Did they offer you any dlr. options on the shifter for CVT?

groovy_jr · Apr 14th, 2002, 11:43 AM

I like the chrome on the gear shift.....probably just as much as monsta!

lhasa · Apr 14th, 2002, 12:59 PM

First, thank you for the picture! The resolution on that is tremendous!

Second, I do look forward to your reply on Steptronic directions, I am as confused as ever.

Bill Sz. · Apr 14th, 2002, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lhasa
First, thank you for the picture! The resolution on that is tremendous!

Second, I do look forward to your reply on Steptronic directions, I am as confused as ever.

See my post entitled, "Here is what the manual says about the CVT." It should make things a bit clearer.

KarmanS · Apr 15th, 2002, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ADO15

Karman,
With "pattern" I mean whilch way you push/pull the stick to shift up/down... just like I wrote :-) As for std. BMW steptronic boxes; I've never driven one so I wouldnt know... I've only driven the Smart - and that one got it all wrong (imho) - hence my question to Bill

thanks for the clarification here because by saying pattern you really confused me in your original message. As for the shifting directions, I believe you already have the solutions to your inquiry. It is indeed pull back to shift up and push for down just as the sticker says next to the shifter so it is indeed the identical style in the BMWs.

Basil,
You are right in that it's push to shift up/pull to shift down in the Porsches. Below is a pic of the transmission setup on the 993 generation 911s so it is indeed correct. AFAIK, the current 996 generation of 911s which are equipped with tiptronic tranmissions only have the button shifts on the steering wheel for shifting.

here's a pic of a 993 Carrera w/ tiptronic transmission

Apr 13th, 2002, 12:07 AM	#1
Bill Sz. MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern California Local Time: 01:23 PM Posts: 164 Offline	Picture of CVT Shifter Here is picture of the CVT shifter from our new car. Liquid Yellow Cooper CVT -w- white roof & mirrors and sport package, leatherette and 16" 5-Star alloys (in our hot little hands); and, Dark Silver Cooper S -w- white roof & mirrors, premium & sport packages and lapis blue/leather due in mid June. Bill Attached Thumbnails Bill Sz.

Apr 13th, 2002, 12:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
hachomini MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Boston, MA Local Time: 04:23 PM Posts: 66 Offline	Again, great pic! Have fun this weekend driving it! Do you have a grey interior? If you have more pics, please post! 2002 Liquid Yellow Mini Cooper, White roof, 16" white wheels.

Apr 13th, 2002, 08:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
ADO15 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 09:23 PM Posts: 232 Offline	Hmmm, is it just me or have they even managed to get the gear "pattern" on the sequential shifter right too..?!? Pull to shift up / push to shift down - no? "Life begins @ 7,000 rpm's"

Apr 14th, 2002, 01:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
Bill Sz. MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern California Local Time: 01:23 PM Posts: 164 Offline	ADO15: I don't think the Steptronic works that way. Because we are still in the break-in period we haven't tried the Sport/Steptronic mode yet. We are just putting around in "Drive." Tell you what. Tomorrow I will scan the owner's manual pages dealing with the Steptronic and post the pages here, so that you can read them for yourself. Bill Sz.

Apr 14th, 2002, 07:32 AM	#7 (permalink)
ADO15 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 09:23 PM Posts: 232 Offline	Basil, The Smart got a system like that - and it justfeels completely backward to me... I'm "used" to sequential gearboxes as used in racecars and there you pull to shift up and push to shift down - mostly due to the fact that it's easier (G-Forces etc) and secondly because it feels more natural I think... Karman, With "pattern" I mean whilch way you push/pull the stick to shift up/down... just like I wrote :-) As for std. BMW steptronic boxes; I've never driven one so I wouldnt know... I've only driven the Smart - and that one got it all wrong (imho) - hence my question to Bill Bill, I dont think you need to read the manual for that - isn't it written with "big" letters just beside the stick? Certainly look like it to me... "Life begins @ 7,000 rpm's"

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Apr 14th, 2002, 02:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
KarmanS MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: HKG Local Time: 05:23 AM Posts: 1,366 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by ADO15 Hmmm, is it just me or have they even managed to get the gear "pattern" on the sequential shifter right too..?!? Pull to shift up / push to shift down - no? can you clarify what you mean by the gear "pattern"? Correct me if I am wrong, I believe the sequential shift layout is similar to that of the streptronic in BMWs. When in 'D', push to the right to activate the sequential shift mode, then pull back to shift up and push to shift down.

Apr 14th, 2002, 07:06 AM	#6 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 07:23 AM Posts: 5,956 Offline	Why wouldn't you "push" to change from 1st to 2nd and so on ? Isn't that more logical ? ie: push (forward) to go faster, pull (backward) to slow down ?

Apr 14th, 2002, 07:53 AM	#8 (permalink)
Basil MINI2 Master Join Date: Nov 2001 Local Time: 07:23 AM Posts: 5,956 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by ADO15 Basil, The Smart got a system like that - and it justfeels completely backward to me... I'm "used" to sequential gearboxes as used in racecars and there you pull to shift up and push to shift down - mostly due to the fact that it's easier (G-Forces etc) and secondly because it feels more natural I think... Hmmm, it's interesting. The G-force's comment makes a lot of sense, but otherwise it seems illogical. Maybe it's just a case of what your used to.... I'm almost certain the Porsche tiptronic boxes "push" for up changes. I'll check up, and if wrong, report back.

Apr 14th, 2002, 10:58 AM	#9 (permalink)
culdeus MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Texas Local Time: 03:23 PM Posts: 9 Offline	Did they offer you any dlr. options on the shifter for CVT?

Apr 14th, 2002, 11:43 AM	#10 (permalink)
groovy_jr MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lincolnshire, UK Local Time: 09:23 PM Posts: 527 Offline	I like the chrome on the gear shift.....probably just as much as monsta!

Apr 14th, 2002, 12:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
lhasa MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Chicago USA Local Time: 03:23 PM Posts: 36 Offline	First, thank you for the picture! The resolution on that is tremendous! Second, I do look forward to your reply on Steptronic directions, I am as confused as ever. Cooper, CVT Pepper White, black roof & mirrors, chrome trim, Xenon headlamps, foglamps US Premium & Sport packages, 16" 5-Star wheels, DSC, black profile leather, heated seats "I'll drive."

Apr 14th, 2002, 08:58 PM	#12 (permalink)
Bill Sz. MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern California Local Time: 01:23 PM Posts: 164 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by lhasa First, thank you for the picture! The resolution on that is tremendous! Second, I do look forward to your reply on Steptronic directions, I am as confused as ever. See my post entitled, "Here is what the manual says about the CVT." It should make things a bit clearer. Bill Sz.

Apr 15th, 2002, 12:39 AM	#13 (permalink)
KarmanS MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: HKG Local Time: 05:23 AM Posts: 1,366 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by ADO15 Karman, With "pattern" I mean whilch way you push/pull the stick to shift up/down... just like I wrote :-) As for std. BMW steptronic boxes; I've never driven one so I wouldnt know... I've only driven the Smart - and that one got it all wrong (imho) - hence my question to Bill thanks for the clarification here because by saying pattern you really confused me in your original message. As for the shifting directions, I believe you already have the solutions to your inquiry. It is indeed pull back to shift up and push for down just as the sticker says next to the shifter so it is indeed the identical style in the BMWs. Basil, You are right in that it's push to shift up/pull to shift down in the Porsches. Below is a pic of the transmission setup on the 993 generation 911s so it is indeed correct. AFAIK, the current 996 generation of 911s which are equipped with tiptronic tranmissions only have the button shifts on the steering wheel for shifting. here's a pic of a 993 Carrera w/ tiptronic transmission Last edited by KarmanS : Apr 15th, 2002 at 12:46 AM.

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