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minirizzo · Oct 5th, 2004, 11:03 AM

Hi All,

I had ordered my new 2005 Cooper S with the auto transmission with an expected delivery date of January 2005. I know I will hear from several of you regarding the auto tranny, but please read my complete post before flaming me…

My main reason for selecting the Auto was that my wife does not drive a manual shift and I thought, why make her learn how now, likewise my own level of laziness was a factor. I understand you give up some of the fun…!

Now when I ordered this I assumed that I was getting the CVT…
Not so, since the Cooper S will have a new automatic tranny, verified by the dealer yesterday. I feel now that I will loose even more of the fun factor, as well as several unknowns. How will the car perform now, also what will the mileage be like. I am against trying new applications before the bugs get worked out.

My salesperson said that the company will stand behind the new tranny but they can’t guarantee a level of performance and fun….

I’d like thoughts on this…

Thanks

minirizzo

Humourl3ss · Oct 5th, 2004, 11:38 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by minirizzo

I’d like thoughts on this…

Time for a new wife.

-CW

DuncanDad · Oct 5th, 2004, 11:44 AM

First off, congrats on the new Mini.

My thoughts on this are...
New technology on the road=run away. I would not like to be the guinea pig for a 30,000 car. That's just me.

The CVT tranny probably couldn't hold up under the strain of the super charger, hense the new transmission.

The re-sale on the car is gonna suck. Kinda like buying a Ninja with training wheels.

The performance will be less than with the 6 speed. The fun factor is all in the seat of your pants and how fast your haert pounds. Compleatly personal.

Have fun with it, you are gonna love it.

Wondaboy · Oct 5th, 2004, 01:21 PM

When did they release the auto cooper s over there, I have had a look on the US site and could not find it. My dealer here knows nothing about it?

Thank

minirizzo · Oct 5th, 2004, 02:10 PM

The 2005 Cooper S Auto Trans is due to the US market in 1/05, with delivery on or about 2/05

RallyMINI · Oct 5th, 2004, 02:22 PM

If your wife has never driven a manual, she would probably be pleasently suprised with driving the MINI. I find it to be one of the easiest manual cars to drive on the planet!

I'm sure with some patient training you would be able to teach her to drive...on a really nice rental. :-)

THEN she would love the MCS... I would never recommend and automatic sports car to anyone, its just not cricket.

Anyway, congrats on the new MINI, castrated though it is.

RMout

Wondaboy · Oct 5th, 2004, 02:56 PM

Thanks for the update, I am in a very similar position to you. My missus drives like she's been taught by stevie wonder, and having made me sell my range rover to buy a mini, now wont drive it because of the gears. we are currently on our second mini (cooper convertible), and have a cvt cooper cab arriving in a week or two. she is happy for an upgrade to a mcs, so long as it has a peddle missing.

the truth of the matter is that we both need to get a grip on our lives, but in the meantime an auto mcs is a start

all the best

Raw · Oct 7th, 2004, 02:09 PM

Drive an auto cooper and then drive the manual S. You won't look back. And neither will your wife.

If she has patience, she won't regret learning manual. I feel you will regret an auto S purchase. The fun is all in the gear changes and controlling the vehicle.

0111 · Oct 7th, 2004, 02:19 PM

first of all, congratulations on the new purchase bro.. Im sure ull enjoy it.
I personally wouldnt have bought my MCS in auto (even if it was offered at the time)
I believe part of the MCS character is the 6 speed tranny. I personally think it gives better handling, perofrmance, and most importantly FUN. (then again its just my opinion)
The MCS without a doubt is fun, even with an Auto tranny, Goodluck and enjoy ur new set of wheels

Pebbles · Oct 8th, 2004, 12:43 AM

I say "why not?" get the Auto MCS and LOVE IT !

You will have so much fun driving it that you won't miss the clutch at all.

lespurgeon · Oct 8th, 2004, 01:49 AM

Auto MCS, now I need to be nice...
"no comment"

CrapS · Oct 8th, 2004, 06:15 AM

The are pros and cons to both options. Its really up to your preference/needs i say. You'll enjoy it either way!

usaminicooper · Oct 8th, 2004, 10:55 AM

I will be a ASIAN 6 spd auto. Made very well. Have a great time. As for resale. in the beginning. there wil be a shortage of automatic trannies and in the U.S. and resale will be high.,

eeney · Oct 8th, 2004, 11:25 AM

My girlfriend is also an auto person. I told her we can keep our current car (Freelander (yawn) 1st and last auto), or get a mini. On one deal - I get an 'S' (manual) and she can have the convertible and in her choice of colour.

Solution a yellow mini cooper S convertible due in the next couple of months.

Isn't life about compromises? Don't give up the experience!!!

Johnson · Oct 26th, 2004, 03:36 AM

I have not been on the site for quite a while, but wanted to see what was happening with the MCS auto tranny. The above comments are interesting, but I did not see mention of the paddle shifters which I had heard were standard with the MCS automatic transmission. Any word on this or whether the transmission is a 6 speed auto? Who makes it and what other cars has it been in, if any?

joeinitaly · Oct 26th, 2004, 02:34 PM

We have a couple here that went the Cooper/CVT route for the same reason, and now they both regret it.

IMHO, if you want a CVT, do not expect ultimate performance. There is a time and place for an automatic, the top of the line model is not the place. I see it the same as the people who buy a V-6 automatic Mustang or Corvette. You buy it because you want it more for the status symbol than what the car really symbolizes. Automatic in a Caviler or Taurus, that is fine. You are looking for a utility. Automatic in a Ferrari, Lamborghini, no way.

Manual Transmission MCS is worth learning how to drive and is very easy to drive. It is worth taking the jump.

DoubleNick · Oct 26th, 2004, 05:49 PM

FYI-- 2/3 of Corvette sales (excluding Z06--manual only) are automatics! Whatever works for you and yours. My 3 adult daughters (40,37,30) all learned how to drive on manual/stick shift autos. How could a car guy do otherwise?

meinamini · Oct 27th, 2004, 04:55 AM

To each their own

Who doesn't smile when they see a MINI in any of it's guises?

joeinitaly · Oct 27th, 2004, 09:28 AM

I realize how my previous post sounds, and I did not mean that to be negative towards any new or prospective MINI owner. It was more directed towards MINI as a manufacturer. People are going to get what they can. If you live in an urban area and are subject to a stop-and-go traffic situation, an automatic is going to be the preferred choice. You have to go with what suits your needs.

I am sorry if I offended anyone. Not that I was trying to do...

Aurel · Oct 28th, 2004, 04:35 AM

Quote:

The re-sale on the car is gonna suck.

I beg to differ, my CVT Cooper that is 16 months old has a higher resale value than a manual one. This is in the US.

I am also looking at the Auto MCS as a replacement for the MC, would like to have a manual, but being 6'7", living in NYC and driving in stop/go traffic for about 3 hours daily ... well ... you get the idea. The manual would certainly not be "fun" in my case.

Does anyone know for sure the type of tranny this new MCS will have? I hear it's a conventional one with paddle shifters. In either case, will wait till probably next summer to trade in my car.

Oct 5th, 2004, 11:03 AM	#1
minirizzo MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pennsylvania Local Time: 03:05 PM Posts: 56 Offline	Cooper S and New Automatic Transmission Hi All, I had ordered my new 2005 Cooper S with the auto transmission with an expected delivery date of January 2005. I know I will hear from several of you regarding the auto tranny, but please read my complete post before flaming me… My main reason for selecting the Auto was that my wife does not drive a manual shift and I thought, why make her learn how now, likewise my own level of laziness was a factor. I understand you give up some of the fun…! Now when I ordered this I assumed that I was getting the CVT… Not so, since the Cooper S will have a new automatic tranny, verified by the dealer yesterday. I feel now that I will loose even more of the fun factor, as well as several unknowns. How will the car perform now, also what will the mileage be like. I am against trying new applications before the bugs get worked out. My salesperson said that the company will stand behind the new tranny but they can’t guarantee a level of performance and fun…. I’d like thoughts on this… Thanks minirizzo

Oct 5th, 2004, 11:38 AM	#2 (permalink)
Humourl3ss Now With More Cowbell Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada City Local Time: 03:05 PM Posts: 1,695 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minirizzo I’d like thoughts on this… Time for a new wife. -CW Global Moderator

Oct 5th, 2004, 02:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
minirizzo MINI2 Regular Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pennsylvania Local Time: 03:05 PM Posts: 56 Offline	Not released yet The 2005 Cooper S Auto Trans is due to the US market in 1/05, with delivery on or about 2/05

Oct 5th, 2004, 02:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
RallyMINI MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Boston Local Time: 07:05 PM Posts: 145 Offline	She can be trained. If your wife has never driven a manual, she would probably be pleasently suprised with driving the MINI. I find it to be one of the easiest manual cars to drive on the planet! I'm sure with some patient training you would be able to teach her to drive...on a really nice rental. :-) THEN she would love the MCS... I would never recommend and automatic sports car to anyone, its just not cricket. Anyway, congrats on the new MINI, castrated though it is. RMout Drive Fast! Drive Sideways!

Oct 5th, 2004, 02:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
Wondaboy Mini Bar! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: It's a London Thing Local Time: 08:05 PM Posts: 141 Offline	Thanks Thanks for the update, I am in a very similar position to you. My missus drives like she's been taught by stevie wonder, and having made me sell my range rover to buy a mini, now wont drive it because of the gears. we are currently on our second mini (cooper convertible), and have a cvt cooper cab arriving in a week or two. she is happy for an upgrade to a mcs, so long as it has a peddle missing. the truth of the matter is that we both need to get a grip on our lives, but in the meantime an auto mcs is a start all the best

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Oct 5th, 2004, 11:44 AM	#3 (permalink)
DuncanDad MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: LaGrange, GA USA Local Time: 02:05 PM Posts: 22 Offline	First off, congrats on the new Mini. My thoughts on this are... New technology on the road=run away. I would not like to be the guinea pig for a 30,000 car. That's just me. The CVT tranny probably couldn't hold up under the strain of the super charger, hense the new transmission. The re-sale on the car is gonna suck. Kinda like buying a Ninja with training wheels. The performance will be less than with the 6 speed. The fun factor is all in the seat of your pants and how fast your haert pounds. Compleatly personal. Have fun with it, you are gonna love it.

Oct 5th, 2004, 01:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
Wondaboy Mini Bar! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: It's a London Thing Local Time: 08:05 PM Posts: 141 Offline	When did they release the auto cooper s over there, I have had a look on the US site and could not find it. My dealer here knows nothing about it? Thank

Oct 7th, 2004, 02:09 PM	#8 (permalink)
Raw MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2004 Local Time: 05:05 AM Posts: 12 Offline	Drive an auto cooper and then drive the manual S. You won't look back. And neither will your wife. If she has patience, she won't regret learning manual. I feel you will regret an auto S purchase. The fun is all in the gear changes and controlling the vehicle.

Oct 7th, 2004, 02:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
0111 MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Local Time: 07:05 PM Posts: 9 Offline	first of all, congratulations on the new purchase bro.. Im sure ull enjoy it. I personally wouldnt have bought my MCS in auto (even if it was offered at the time) I believe part of the MCS character is the 6 speed tranny. I personally think it gives better handling, perofrmance, and most importantly FUN. (then again its just my opinion) The MCS without a doubt is fun, even with an Auto tranny, Goodluck and enjoy ur new set of wheels

Oct 8th, 2004, 12:43 AM	#10 (permalink)
Pebbles MINI2 Oldie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Austin, Texas Local Time: 02:05 PM Posts: 292 Offline	I say "why not?" get the Auto MCS and LOVE IT ! You will have so much fun driving it that you won't miss the clutch at all. "Mr Bridger"

Oct 8th, 2004, 01:49 AM	#11 (permalink)
lespurgeon Petrol or beer? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: HI, USA Local Time: 09:05 AM Posts: 1,116 Offline	Auto MCS, now I need to be nice... "no comment"

Oct 8th, 2004, 06:15 AM	#12 (permalink)
CrapS I want my MCS now! pls? Join Date: May 2004 Local Time: 06:05 AM Posts: 36 Offline	The are pros and cons to both options. Its really up to your preference/needs i say. You'll enjoy it either way!

Oct 8th, 2004, 10:55 AM	#13 (permalink)
usaminicooper MINI SPONSOR Join Date: May 2004 Local Time: 07:05 PM Posts: 332 Offline	I will be a ASIAN 6 spd auto. Made very well. Have a great time. As for resale. in the beginning. there wil be a shortage of automatic trannies and in the U.S. and resale will be high.,

Oct 8th, 2004, 11:25 AM	#14 (permalink)
eeney MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sunny Sydney Local Time: 06:05 AM Posts: 82 Offline	Compromise!!! My girlfriend is also an auto person. I told her we can keep our current car (Freelander (yawn) 1st and last auto), or get a mini. On one deal - I get an 'S' (manual) and she can have the convertible and in her choice of colour. Solution a yellow mini cooper S convertible due in the next couple of months. Isn't life about compromises? Don't give up the experience!!!

Oct 26th, 2004, 03:36 AM	#15 (permalink)
Johnson MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Overland Park, KS Local Time: 02:05 PM Posts: 51 Offline	I have not been on the site for quite a while, but wanted to see what was happening with the MCS auto tranny. The above comments are interesting, but I did not see mention of the paddle shifters which I had heard were standard with the MCS automatic transmission. Any word on this or whether the transmission is a 6 speed auto? Who makes it and what other cars has it been in, if any?

Oct 26th, 2004, 02:34 PM	#16 (permalink)
joeinitaly International Merrymaker Join Date: May 2003 Location: Standin' on a corner Local Time: 09:05 PM Posts: 431 Offline	We have a couple here that went the Cooper/CVT route for the same reason, and now they both regret it. IMHO, if you want a CVT, do not expect ultimate performance. There is a time and place for an automatic, the top of the line model is not the place. I see it the same as the people who buy a V-6 automatic Mustang or Corvette. You buy it because you want it more for the status symbol than what the car really symbolizes. Automatic in a Caviler or Taurus, that is fine. You are looking for a utility. Automatic in a Ferrari, Lamborghini, no way. Manual Transmission MCS is worth learning how to drive and is very easy to drive. It is worth taking the jump. I'd be lost if I had somewhere to be!

Oct 26th, 2004, 05:49 PM	#17 (permalink)
DoubleNick MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Florida Local Time: 04:05 PM Posts: 22 Offline	FYI-- 2/3 of Corvette sales (excluding Z06--manual only) are automatics! Whatever works for you and yours. My 3 adult daughters (40,37,30) all learned how to drive on manual/stick shift autos. How could a car guy do otherwise?

Oct 27th, 2004, 04:55 AM	#18 (permalink)
meinamini Livin' the country life Join Date: May 2004 Location: Livin' in the OC! Local Time: 05:05 AM Posts: 4,008 Offline	To each their own Who doesn't smile when they see a MINI in any of it's guises?

Oct 27th, 2004, 09:28 AM	#19 (permalink)
joeinitaly International Merrymaker Join Date: May 2003 Location: Standin' on a corner Local Time: 09:05 PM Posts: 431 Offline	I realize how my previous post sounds, and I did not mean that to be negative towards any new or prospective MINI owner. It was more directed towards MINI as a manufacturer. People are going to get what they can. If you live in an urban area and are subject to a stop-and-go traffic situation, an automatic is going to be the preferred choice. You have to go with what suits your needs. I am sorry if I offended anyone. Not that I was trying to do... I'd be lost if I had somewhere to be!

Oct 28th, 2004, 04:35 AM	#20 (permalink)
Aurel MINI2 Senior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New Amsterdamn Local Time: 03:05 PM Posts: 408 Offline	Quote: The re-sale on the car is gonna suck. I beg to differ, my CVT Cooper that is 16 months old has a higher resale value than a manual one. This is in the US. I am also looking at the Auto MCS as a replacement for the MC, would like to have a manual, but being 6'7", living in NYC and driving in stop/go traffic for about 3 hours daily ... well ... you get the idea. The manual would certainly not be "fun" in my case. Does anyone know for sure the type of tranny this new MCS will have? I hear it's a conventional one with paddle shifters. In either case, will wait till probably next summer to trade in my car.

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