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suprchrgdmini · May 21st, 2002, 10:20 PM

Was at my mini dealer to pick up the 60 page brochure and the salesman told me they got in a automatic for a test drive car. I asked him if i could drive it,i thought it was very fun to drive even though it was an automatic. It actually felt like a stick but with soft shifts.If io had to get a car for my wife it would be the cvt mini cooper.

Mini1380 · May 22nd, 2002, 09:13 AM

After driving the CVT in DRIVE mode, try SPORT DRIVE mode. It raises the shift points a bit and it really enhances the fun factor of the driving.

Bill Sz. · May 22nd, 2002, 10:02 AM

If you read our review of our ride in Malibu and on Malibu Canyon Road about three (3) weeks ago, you know that the CVT can be one hell of a lot of fun. Well, we went back last Sunday, now that the car is broken in. We did Malibu Canyon Road again, this time using the Sport and Steptronic modes ... what an experience! While the normal Drive mode was (and is) fun, doing twisty roads using the Sport and Steptronic modes brings even greater driving pleasure with this amazing little car! We'll post a full review later this week.

Liquid Yellow Cooper CVT -w- white roof & mirrors and sport package, leatherette, xenons and 16" 5-Star alloys (in our hot little hands) + one new replaced windshield that BMW/MINI refuses to cover under the warranty; and,

Dark Silver Cooper S -w- white roof & mirrors, premium & sport packages and lapis blue/leather due in mid June ... it looks like we got lucky!

Bill

spanky2k · May 22nd, 2002, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by suprchrgdmini
If i had to get a car for my wife it would be the cvt mini cooper.

Haha! Only if you HAD to though!

Sejanus · May 22nd, 2002, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by suprchrgdmini
If io had to get a car for my wife it would be the cvt mini cooper.

Why is it (and I've noticed this elsewhere)that some folks always seem to see the CVT as a feminine thing? The assumpion seems to be that women will prefer it to a manual (or can't drive a manual) and that men won't. I don't think I'm particularly effeminate (I don't even like pink like Basil.

) and I prefer the CVT and autos in general. There is nothing particularly masculine about my wife(although I must admit she isn't all that fond of pink either

), but if she was the one buying a MINI right now she'd already be driving a manual Cooper or waiting for an S.

btsave · May 24th, 2002, 12:40 PM

I have a Cooper CVT and thoroughly enjoy it! With only 850 miles on the car so far, I have found that the CVT seems to drive smoother everytime I take her out.

Is it possible that the chip "learns" the characteristics of the driver and begins to operate the vehicle in a way which conforms to his/her demands? I wouldn't put it pass the ECM controller. With DSC, etc., the chip really drives the car when you have a CVT.

The CVT gives the driver the ultimate option of manual or auto matic control.

While I am still limited to under 4500 rpms, when I have occassionally hit that rev mark using steptronics, I have been amazed at the pep in the car. I saw an article from superchips, where they were saying that many of the cooper's which come to them test out at over 125bhp, rather than the stated 115. My guess is that the CVT forces the vehicle to achieve optimal performance, whereas with the manual it is handicapped by us "inferior" human drivers.

CVT is definitely NOT a female only option!

Bart
1969 MGB GT
1971 MG Midget
1973 MGB
1980 TR8
1994 Stage 3 chipped Camero
2002 Cooper CVT

PS anyone know what a Cooper Sport is? saw a cooper with a chrome "Sport" under it's name.

HarryHBMCC · May 24th, 2002, 12:51 PM

A transmisson cannot force an engine to a higher maximum horsepower. That is a limit of the engine. A transmission can allow a car to use the power better though. In theory a CVT should give maximum performance but acceleration and gas mileage numbers don't bear that out so there must be other inefficiencies in the sytem. In the real world with average drivers, however, a CVT may give better results but the proof will be in the pudding.

Anyways, I don't think any of us should be putting down manual trannies or CVTs. Most of us got what we got as we wanted it, and should be happy. To me, shifting the gears and clutching is a large part of the fun but for others it is a chore. To each their own...

Harry

erazo · May 24th, 2002, 01:18 PM

In theory, the CVT should be more efficient than manual (although the steptronics would remove some of that inefficiency) since it eliminates the torque converter, the source of inefficiency in automatics.

Automatics are associated with women because market data show that women opt for auto more than men. VW sales to women skyrocketed after they introduced autos in the 70's.

But that's only part of the story. People who spend a lot of time in stop-and-go traffic, or do a lot of towing also prefer automatics. Whether these folks are thinking about these factors when buying a MINI is another question.

btsave · May 24th, 2002, 01:22 PM

Towing option on Cooper CVT!

I was wondering how I could get my MG Midget to the shop!

Bart

HarryHBMCC · May 24th, 2002, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by erazo
In theory, the CVT should be more efficient than manual (although the steptronics would remove some of that inefficiency) since it eliminates the torque converter, the source of inefficiency in automatics.

Hmm, I think you meant more efficient than the usual fluid torque converter automatic tranny. Manuals don't have torque converters so CVTs won't be more efficient for that reason. They should be more efficient as they have an infinite range of 'gears' available to keep the engine in the optimum power band.

It seems that CVTs still aren't as efficient as they could be as they usually fall, today, between manuals and old fluid torque converter-style automatics in terms of performance and gas mileage. Still, that spec is in a lab -- people will need to compare street vehicles to really know what advantages they offer compared to older automatics.

Harry

suprchrgdmini · May 24th, 2002, 05:36 PM

The only reason i saw i would get it for my wife is because she cant drive manual and she does not want to learn.The cvt is no feminen but most woman would rather drive auto.

Jun 1st, 2002, 01:42 AM

I drive a manual shift Cooper. My wife drives it too and likes it very much. The manual transmission is well designed and a joy to use. However, I just placed an order for our second MINI Cooper and it will be a CVT. I am looking forward to driving the CVT. From all accounts on this board, they are exceptional transmissions.

The new MINI will be my wife's car, but not because of the CVT but because she says it will.

My MINI me and me · Jun 1st, 2002, 05:11 AM

The other day I gave three people a lift in MINI me for the first time and noticed that the transmission (in standard drive mode) adapted to the load. I accelerated in the normal way and rather than pulling away slightly slower as I would have expected the ratio was adjusted by the gearbox and the revs raised so the car accelerated in the same way as if I was in the car on my own. I admit I wasn't exactly flooring it and I'm sure all auto gearboxes do this, but being continuously variable it was very smooth. I had noticed MINI me does this when going up inclines whether I am using the cruise control of not, but it was a nice suprise that It also does it when fully laden and perhaps a small perk for those of us that have choosen the auto box over the manual.

JOE - USA · Jun 2nd, 2002, 05:59 AM

Finally picked up the Cooper-- Brand new so no real review's as yet-- Except- That cvt is terrific-
I have always driven cluch and love it but what a terrific change of pase to drive the auto-
One question, SD and steptronic are different?==
can I just drive the thing in SD?? Without shifting thru the Plus and Minus?
Great thread- love the car

Red cooper- Red interior==

Bill Sz. · Jun 2nd, 2002, 10:05 AM

[QUOTE One question, SD and steptronic are different?==
can I just drive the thing in SD?? Without shifting thru the Plus and Minus?

Yes. The Sport Mode (SD) and the Steptroninc Mode are different. The Sport Mode has a bit more low-end torque than the regular Drive Mode and the car is slightly quicker off the line in SD, (but you didn't buy the car for that). You can drive the car in just SD, however, in normal day-to-day city driving, SD really isn't necessary. We have used SD quite a bit on twisty canyon roads. The Steptronic, on the other hand, is about as close as you can get to a "clutchless" automatic. Once you get the hang of it, it is very cool! Again, not too useful in day-to-day city driving, but on curves and twisties ... a lot of fun and performance. One final note, when we got our CVT about 5 weeks ago, it was strongly suggested to us that we try to refrain from using the Sport Drive and Steptronic Modes during the break-in period ... presumably to avoid the temptation to over-rev the car while it is being broken in.
Enjoy your car!

Liquid Yellow Cooper CVT -w- white roof & mirrors and sport package, leatherette, xenons and 16" 5-Star alloys (in our hot little hands) + one new replaced windshield that BMW/MINI refuses to cover under the warranty; and,

Dark Silver Cooper S -w- white roof & mirrors, premium & sport packages and lapis blue/leather due in mid June ... it looks like we got lucky!

Bill

JOE - USA · Jun 2nd, 2002, 03:09 PM

Bill- thanx alot for the reply-- That kinda stuff is not really covered all that well in the manual. I will also heed that " don't use" warning till 1200 miles goes by, which considering how much I love driving the car shouldn't be too long.
Thanx again

Joe

btsave · Jun 2nd, 2002, 09:05 PM

Car is just over 1350 miles new.

Decided that I was tired of having those kids in the rice burners with the loud exhaust systems and louder boom box radios past me.

So, driving down a nice multilane highway, just after a kid in a silver honda with wide tires and lowered suspension, with his seat reclined and only forehead showing, passed by... waited until I met him at the next light.... kicked the Steptronics in, dropped to 1th gear, wound the rev counter to 4500 and took off like a rocket from the light... worked the stick lick a manual 2nd, passed the Honda, 3rd, 4th, he's still trying to catch up, 5th.. it was amazing! Testosterone was flowing! I felt like I WAS 18 again!

Hit 90 when I finally got to 6th gear.... and then reason hit me... put it back into standard CVT and smiled as I LET the kid in the Honda pass ... brought my speed back to traffic flow and cruised home...

Older, but probably not really wiser...

Bill Sz. · Jun 3rd, 2002, 12:13 AM

btsave: I know the feeling! Another racer boy in a rice rocket bites the dust!

Liquid Yellow Cooper CVT -w- white roof & mirrors and sport package, leatherette, xenons and 16" 5-Star alloys (in our hot little hands) + one new replaced windshield that BMW/MINI refuses to cover under the warranty; and,

Dark Silver Cooper S -w- white roof & mirrors, premium & sport packages and lapis blue/leather due in mid June ... it looks like we got lucky!

Bill

JOE - USA · Jun 3rd, 2002, 09:40 AM

Btsave== wer u alone when that return to youth overtook you?
Wondering if you had like anyone else in the Mini with you--
Great story and all the twisty turny back roads here in the sunny south will be great for that steptronic...
Motor on!!
Joe

btsave · Jun 5th, 2002, 06:36 AM

Driving to work... alone, in my business suit, white shirt, Brooks Brother regiment tie and straps

May 21st, 2002, 10:20 PM	#1
suprchrgdmini BOLT ON MASTER Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Long Island NY Local Time: 05:03 PM Posts: 538 Offline	Cvt Was at my mini dealer to pick up the 60 page brochure and the salesman told me they got in a automatic for a test drive car. I asked him if i could drive it,i thought it was very fun to drive even though it was an automatic. It actually felt like a stick but with soft shifts.If io had to get a car for my wife it would be the cvt mini cooper.

May 22nd, 2002, 09:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
Mini1380 Living in Mini Wasteland Join Date: May 2001 Location: Arkansas Local Time: 05:03 PM Posts: 345 Offline	After driving the CVT in DRIVE mode, try SPORT DRIVE mode. It raises the shift points a bit and it really enhances the fun factor of the driving. Sold the Cooper. Now driving the Traveller. I mean Clubman.

May 22nd, 2002, 10:02 AM	#3 (permalink)
Bill Sz. MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern California Local Time: 02:03 PM Posts: 164 Offline	If you read our review of our ride in Malibu and on Malibu Canyon Road about three (3) weeks ago, you know that the CVT can be one hell of a lot of fun. Well, we went back last Sunday, now that the car is broken in. We did Malibu Canyon Road again, this time using the Sport and Steptronic modes ... what an experience! While the normal Drive mode was (and is) fun, doing twisty roads using the Sport and Steptronic modes brings even greater driving pleasure with this amazing little car! We'll post a full review later this week. Liquid Yellow Cooper CVT -w- white roof & mirrors and sport package, leatherette, xenons and 16" 5-Star alloys (in our hot little hands) + one new replaced windshield that BMW/MINI refuses to cover under the warranty; and, Dark Silver Cooper S -w- white roof & mirrors, premium & sport packages and lapis blue/leather due in mid June ... it looks like we got lucky! Bill Bill Sz.

May 22nd, 2002, 10:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
spanky2k MINI2 Crash Test Driver Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Brighton Local Time: 11:03 PM Posts: 1,384 Offline	Re: Cvt Quote: Originally posted by suprchrgdmini If i had to get a car for my wife it would be the cvt mini cooper. Haha! Only if you HAD to though! Spanky2k Officially the worst MINI driver in the Universe!!!

May 22nd, 2002, 05:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
Sejanus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: West Sacramento Local Time: 03:03 PM Posts: 4,222 Offline	Re: Cvt Quote: Originally posted by suprchrgdmini If io had to get a car for my wife it would be the cvt mini cooper. Why is it (and I've noticed this elsewhere)that some folks always seem to see the CVT as a feminine thing? The assumpion seems to be that women will prefer it to a manual (or can't drive a manual) and that men won't. I don't think I'm particularly effeminate (I don't even like pink like Basil. ) and I prefer the CVT and autos in general. There is nothing particularly masculine about my wife(although I must admit she isn't all that fond of pink either ), but if she was the one buying a MINI right now she'd already be driving a manual Cooper or waiting for an S.

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May 24th, 2002, 12:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
btsave MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Florida, USA Local Time: 06:03 PM Posts: 161 Offline	CVT is awesome! I have a Cooper CVT and thoroughly enjoy it! With only 850 miles on the car so far, I have found that the CVT seems to drive smoother everytime I take her out. Is it possible that the chip "learns" the characteristics of the driver and begins to operate the vehicle in a way which conforms to his/her demands? I wouldn't put it pass the ECM controller. With DSC, etc., the chip really drives the car when you have a CVT. The CVT gives the driver the ultimate option of manual or auto matic control. While I am still limited to under 4500 rpms, when I have occassionally hit that rev mark using steptronics, I have been amazed at the pep in the car. I saw an article from superchips, where they were saying that many of the cooper's which come to them test out at over 125bhp, rather than the stated 115. My guess is that the CVT forces the vehicle to achieve optimal performance, whereas with the manual it is handicapped by us "inferior" human drivers. CVT is definitely NOT a female only option! Bart 1969 MGB GT 1971 MG Midget 1973 MGB 1980 TR8 1994 Stage 3 chipped Camero 2002 Cooper CVT PS anyone know what a Cooper Sport is? saw a cooper with a chrome "Sport" under it's name. 1965 Morris Mini-Minor Rallye Equiped 1969 MGB GT 1971 MGB Roadster 1973 MG Midget 1983 Porsche 944 1994 Chevy Camero 2004 Chrysler Pacifica 2004 Mini Cooper S, Premium & Sport Pack, rear fogs, H/K... etc.

May 24th, 2002, 12:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
HarryHBMCC MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Can Local Time: 05:03 PM Posts: 2,686 Offline	A transmisson cannot force an engine to a higher maximum horsepower. That is a limit of the engine. A transmission can allow a car to use the power better though. In theory a CVT should give maximum performance but acceleration and gas mileage numbers don't bear that out so there must be other inefficiencies in the sytem. In the real world with average drivers, however, a CVT may give better results but the proof will be in the pudding. Anyways, I don't think any of us should be putting down manual trannies or CVTs. Most of us got what we got as we wanted it, and should be happy. To me, shifting the gears and clutching is a large part of the fun but for others it is a chore. To each their own... Harry MINI Cooper Cabrio: now the car with go cart handling really feels like an open go cart! "... the only man that can come home at 3 am in the morning without getting into trouble with his spouse is the owner of a British sports car!" -- Phil Bailey

May 24th, 2002, 01:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
erazo MINI2 Senior Join Date: May 2002 Location: San Diego Local Time: 03:03 PM Posts: 526 Offline	In theory, the CVT should be more efficient than manual (although the steptronics would remove some of that inefficiency) since it eliminates the torque converter, the source of inefficiency in automatics. Automatics are associated with women because market data show that women opt for auto more than men. VW sales to women skyrocketed after they introduced autos in the 70's. But that's only part of the story. People who spend a lot of time in stop-and-go traffic, or do a lot of towing also prefer automatics. Whether these folks are thinking about these factors when buying a MINI is another question.

May 24th, 2002, 01:22 PM	#9 (permalink)
btsave MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Florida, USA Local Time: 06:03 PM Posts: 161 Offline	CVT 4 towning? Towing option on Cooper CVT! I was wondering how I could get my MG Midget to the shop! Bart 1965 Morris Mini-Minor Rallye Equiped 1969 MGB GT 1971 MGB Roadster 1973 MG Midget 1983 Porsche 944 1994 Chevy Camero 2004 Chrysler Pacifica 2004 Mini Cooper S, Premium & Sport Pack, rear fogs, H/K... etc.

May 24th, 2002, 01:28 PM	#10 (permalink)
HarryHBMCC MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Can Local Time: 05:03 PM Posts: 2,686 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by erazo In theory, the CVT should be more efficient than manual (although the steptronics would remove some of that inefficiency) since it eliminates the torque converter, the source of inefficiency in automatics. Hmm, I think you meant more efficient than the usual fluid torque converter automatic tranny. Manuals don't have torque converters so CVTs won't be more efficient for that reason. They should be more efficient as they have an infinite range of 'gears' available to keep the engine in the optimum power band. It seems that CVTs still aren't as efficient as they could be as they usually fall, today, between manuals and old fluid torque converter-style automatics in terms of performance and gas mileage. Still, that spec is in a lab -- people will need to compare street vehicles to really know what advantages they offer compared to older automatics. Harry MINI Cooper Cabrio: now the car with go cart handling really feels like an open go cart! "... the only man that can come home at 3 am in the morning without getting into trouble with his spouse is the owner of a British sports car!" -- Phil Bailey

May 24th, 2002, 05:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
suprchrgdmini BOLT ON MASTER Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Long Island NY Local Time: 05:03 PM Posts: 538 Offline	Cvt The only reason i saw i would get it for my wife is because she cant drive manual and she does not want to learn.The cvt is no feminen but most woman would rather drive auto.

Jun 1st, 2002, 01:42 AM	#12 (permalink)
frails Posts: n/a	CVT, Not Just For Girls I drive a manual shift Cooper. My wife drives it too and likes it very much. The manual transmission is well designed and a joy to use. However, I just placed an order for our second MINI Cooper and it will be a CVT. I am looking forward to driving the CVT. From all accounts on this board, they are exceptional transmissions. The new MINI will be my wife's car, but not because of the CVT but because she says it will.

Jun 1st, 2002, 05:11 AM	#13 (permalink)
My MINI me and me MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: London (north) Local Time: 11:03 PM Posts: 129 Offline	The other day I gave three people a lift in MINI me for the first time and noticed that the transmission (in standard drive mode) adapted to the load. I accelerated in the normal way and rather than pulling away slightly slower as I would have expected the ratio was adjusted by the gearbox and the revs raised so the car accelerated in the same way as if I was in the car on my own. I admit I wasn't exactly flooring it and I'm sure all auto gearboxes do this, but being continuously variable it was very smooth. I had noticed MINI me does this when going up inclines whether I am using the cruise control of not, but it was a nice suprise that It also does it when fully laden and perhaps a small perk for those of us that have choosen the auto box over the manual. I shall call him..."MINI-Me"! Silver/Black MC CVT 30/03/02 -11/02/06 "MINI Me Too" Chilli Red MCSa arrived 03/03/06 "MINI Me 3" Chilli Red/Black Clubman D 18/01/08 - AKA Jeremy C

Jun 2nd, 2002, 05:59 AM	#14 (permalink)
JOE - USA MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ATLANTA GA Local Time: 05:03 PM Posts: 3 Offline	CVT Finally picked up the Cooper-- Brand new so no real review's as yet-- Except- That cvt is terrific- I have always driven cluch and love it but what a terrific change of pase to drive the auto- One question, SD and steptronic are different?== can I just drive the thing in SD?? Without shifting thru the Plus and Minus? Great thread- love the car Red cooper- Red interior==

Jun 2nd, 2002, 10:05 AM	#15 (permalink)
Bill Sz. MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern California Local Time: 02:03 PM Posts: 164 Offline	Re: CVT [QUOTE One question, SD and steptronic are different?== can I just drive the thing in SD?? Without shifting thru the Plus and Minus? Yes. The Sport Mode (SD) and the Steptroninc Mode are different. The Sport Mode has a bit more low-end torque than the regular Drive Mode and the car is slightly quicker off the line in SD, (but you didn't buy the car for that). You can drive the car in just SD, however, in normal day-to-day city driving, SD really isn't necessary. We have used SD quite a bit on twisty canyon roads. The Steptronic, on the other hand, is about as close as you can get to a "clutchless" automatic. Once you get the hang of it, it is very cool! Again, not too useful in day-to-day city driving, but on curves and twisties ... a lot of fun and performance. One final note, when we got our CVT about 5 weeks ago, it was strongly suggested to us that we try to refrain from using the Sport Drive and Steptronic Modes during the break-in period ... presumably to avoid the temptation to over-rev the car while it is being broken in. Enjoy your car! Liquid Yellow Cooper CVT -w- white roof & mirrors and sport package, leatherette, xenons and 16" 5-Star alloys (in our hot little hands) + one new replaced windshield that BMW/MINI refuses to cover under the warranty; and, Dark Silver Cooper S -w- white roof & mirrors, premium & sport packages and lapis blue/leather due in mid June ... it looks like we got lucky! Bill Bill Sz.

Jun 2nd, 2002, 03:09 PM	#16 (permalink)
JOE - USA MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ATLANTA GA Local Time: 05:03 PM Posts: 3 Offline	CVT Bill- thanx alot for the reply-- That kinda stuff is not really covered all that well in the manual. I will also heed that " don't use" warning till 1200 miles goes by, which considering how much I love driving the car shouldn't be too long. Thanx again Joe Chili Red and Red interior Cvt white top and those white wheels

Jun 2nd, 2002, 09:05 PM	#17 (permalink)
btsave MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Florida, USA Local Time: 06:03 PM Posts: 161 Offline	Played with Steptronics and Smiled! Car is just over 1350 miles new. Decided that I was tired of having those kids in the rice burners with the loud exhaust systems and louder boom box radios past me. So, driving down a nice multilane highway, just after a kid in a silver honda with wide tires and lowered suspension, with his seat reclined and only forehead showing, passed by... waited until I met him at the next light.... kicked the Steptronics in, dropped to 1th gear, wound the rev counter to 4500 and took off like a rocket from the light... worked the stick lick a manual 2nd, passed the Honda, 3rd, 4th, he's still trying to catch up, 5th.. it was amazing! Testosterone was flowing! I felt like I WAS 18 again! Hit 90 when I finally got to 6th gear.... and then reason hit me... put it back into standard CVT and smiled as I LET the kid in the Honda pass ... brought my speed back to traffic flow and cruised home... Older, but probably not really wiser... 1965 Morris Mini-Minor Rallye Equiped 1969 MGB GT 1971 MGB Roadster 1973 MG Midget 1983 Porsche 944 1994 Chevy Camero 2004 Chrysler Pacifica 2004 Mini Cooper S, Premium & Sport Pack, rear fogs, H/K... etc.

Jun 3rd, 2002, 12:13 AM	#18 (permalink)
Bill Sz. MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern California Local Time: 02:03 PM Posts: 164 Offline	btsave: I know the feeling! Another racer boy in a rice rocket bites the dust! Liquid Yellow Cooper CVT -w- white roof & mirrors and sport package, leatherette, xenons and 16" 5-Star alloys (in our hot little hands) + one new replaced windshield that BMW/MINI refuses to cover under the warranty; and, Dark Silver Cooper S -w- white roof & mirrors, premium & sport packages and lapis blue/leather due in mid June ... it looks like we got lucky! Bill Bill Sz.

Jun 3rd, 2002, 09:40 AM	#19 (permalink)
JOE - USA MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ATLANTA GA Local Time: 05:03 PM Posts: 3 Offline	CVT Btsave== wer u alone when that return to youth overtook you? Wondering if you had like anyone else in the Mini with you-- Great story and all the twisty turny back roads here in the sunny south will be great for that steptronic... Motor on!! Joe Chili Red and Red interior Cvt white top and those white wheels

Jun 5th, 2002, 06:36 AM	#20 (permalink)
btsave MINI2 Regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: Florida, USA Local Time: 06:03 PM Posts: 161 Offline	trip Driving to work... alone, in my business suit, white shirt, Brooks Brother regiment tie and straps 1965 Morris Mini-Minor Rallye Equiped 1969 MGB GT 1971 MGB Roadster 1973 MG Midget 1983 Porsche 944 1994 Chevy Camero 2004 Chrysler Pacifica 2004 Mini Cooper S, Premium & Sport Pack, rear fogs, H/K... etc.

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