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Old May 22nd, 2002, 11:41 AM   #1
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Angry CVT Poor fuel consumption

got a cooper with a CVT box, but the MPG is rubbish, ie 28 on a run (Cross country & motorway) round town less than 22 and no use of kickdown or steptronic.
been back many times no improvement. any one with or had a simelar problem???
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Old May 22nd, 2002, 02:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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We have a cvt, but our consumption has never got down to the 22's. When the car is doing the daily 8 mile, nose to tail, run to work and back with my wife at the wheel it never does less than 27 (as measured by the computer, which has proved to be surprisingly accurate). On more mixed running we get 29-33. The best figure we've ever had was 34.6. The car has done 1500 miles, so it may yet get a bit better. Neither of us drives the car hard (we don't use sport drive or steptronic settings).
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Old May 22nd, 2002, 08:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Our CVT has approximately 1,700 miles on it. Combined city/freeway mileage is 26 -28 mpg, city mileage averages around 23 - 25 and straight freeway mileages averages 32-36. These figures are for the normal drive mode with air-conditioning being used occasionally.


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Old Feb 7th, 2004, 02:11 PM   #4 (permalink)
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We run a mini cooper with the CVT box and have a problem - it has a combined fuel consumption of 22mpg, which is about the same an M3 with 340bhp. The car has been back to the garage several times and they have concluded its running perfectly and that the fuel consumption is acceptable. I think this is completely unreasonable for a city car driven normally! Does anyone relate to this or indeed agree? I welcome all comments because it is something we are taking legal advice on.
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Old Feb 7th, 2004, 02:59 PM   #5 (permalink)
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ok, i dont have my mini yet...........but I do know that every Honda I have ever owned was extremely sensitive to the gas I put in them. I had to find corporate owned/supplied Amoco dealers, otherwise my mileage would drop 4-5 mpg. This is also true of my current Honda. Now, on the other hand, my F150 V-8 5.4L dirt truck could really careless where I bought my gas...........of course when you are talking 14-15 mpg that is not a big issue.

I would suggest trying different gas stations/gas suppliers..............and since the mini is a high octane drinker, I would find a gas station that has plenty of high end traffic................just to make sure the gas has not stagnated in their tanks.

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Old Feb 7th, 2004, 03:18 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Cool I'm OK with my MPG's

Quote: Originally Posted by pj sanders
got a cooper with a CVT box, but the MPG is rubbish, ie 28 on a run (Cross country & motorway) round town less than 22 and no use of kickdown or steptronic.
been back many times no improvement. any one with or had a simelar problem???

Sounds like my mileage in normal driving. But on an open freeway, I can count on over 30, even at 80 mph. Yeah 40 mpg would have been nice, but that's not why I bought the car. Temple: Legal Advice? Really? Maybe Jackie Childs will take your case.
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Old Feb 7th, 2004, 04:04 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I use Optimax in London... I have quite a light right foot and get reasonable consumption.

City streets 25mpg

50 mph dual carriageways mixed with city streets 30mpg

Best was a return trip to Manchester at about 70mph all on motorways 40mpg.....

Not bad really!
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Old Feb 7th, 2004, 05:56 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Overall we're still solidly in the low 30's, with the hint that mileage may have improved as a result of v36.0 but that is still inconclusive. I don't recall a "city driving" focused Poll or thread but you've started one here so let's see what people say!

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Old Feb 7th, 2004, 11:55 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by eldredjames
Sounds like my mileage in normal driving. But on an open freeway, I can count on over 30, even at 80 mph. Yeah 40 mpg would have been nice, but that's not why I bought the car. Temple: Legal Advice? Really? Maybe Jackie Childs will take your case.

Remember that the imperial gallon is 1/5 larger than the one we use here... adjust MPG by 20%

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Old Feb 9th, 2004, 04:23 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by Windshadow
Remember that the imperial gallon is 1/5 larger than the one we use here... adjust MPG by 20%

Which is why these guys have such a problem! If I'm using MINI2's handy conversion table right you folks are getting about 18 mph US (22 mpg Imperial) in town. My worst numbers involving nothing but in-town with lots of turning on and off have never been worse than 24 mpg (US). My normal range is 27 to 30 mpg (US) which I think is about 32 to 36 Imperial and I don't exactly drive at the most fuel efficient speeds. I think you have a legitimate gripe. Those CVTs aren't running right.

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Old Feb 9th, 2004, 07:01 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I get about 25-27 in mixed driving. Used to be better, but has deteriorated after 27k miles.
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Old Feb 9th, 2004, 07:01 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Had a CVT MINI One last week for three days (Courtesy car) was shocked at the amount of petrol it consumed in comparison to my manual Cooper.

Put it down to the fact that it changes down gears for you and you have to put your foot down harder to get it going.

the MINI has gone...
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Old Feb 10th, 2004, 01:27 PM   #13 (permalink)
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This may be a dumb question, but are you manually calculating the MPG, or using the onboard computer? If you're using the onboard, make sure you're reseting it every time you fill up.

I would definitely be speaking to my dealer if that's the type of gas mileage you're normally getting. I consistantly get in the 29-31 range.
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Old Feb 10th, 2004, 02:19 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I had good average full economy until I brought it in and the dealer put version 35 on it. My full economy went from 32mpg over 12,000 miles to 22mpg over the past 400 miles.

I have yet to bring it back because of the bitter cold we've had in the North East (USA). Not sure if it is the cold or the new version of the software.

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Old Feb 11th, 2004, 11:54 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Just some more fuel on the fire (ah, sometimes I even make myself laugh ). When my wife drives her 12 mile surface street commute here in LA we get about 18 MPG. As a point of reference, that commute takes about an hour.

Mixed freeway and surface street about 26 MPG. Pure freeway (80+ MPH) about 29 MPG. Never seemed to be unusual until I read here that folks are actually getting in the mid-twenties in town! I'm guessing our situation is more severe than what I've read so far.

Like most here, mileage wasn't much of a factor when deciding on the car, so haven't been too concerned.

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Old Feb 12th, 2004, 01:35 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I was able to run the same route used in last year's 1st Annual Gas Mileage Contest, with the same measured 60mph, same car, same tires (worn now), and nearly the same traffic conditions. I averaged almost no difference in one direction, and almost 2mpg higher (40.2mpg) in the other. The tires are slightly smaller (less circumference) so I should be turning very slightly higher revs at the externally measured 60mph.

It may be that v36.0 does make a little difference?

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Old Feb 12th, 2004, 07:12 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by nonsequitur
I was able to run the same route used in last year's 1st Annual Gas Mileage Contest, with the same measured 60mph, same car, same tires (worn now), and nearly the same traffic conditions. I averaged almost no difference in one direction, and almost 2mpg higher (40.2mpg) in the other. The tires are slightly smaller (less circumference) so I should be turning very slightly higher revs at the externally measured 60mph.

It may be that v36.0 does make a little difference?

If you are using the speedo to measure your 60mph, worn tires would make no difference, or 'save' fuel as you will in fact be going slower than indicated.

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dont forget to check when oxygenated fuels went into operation........usually the winter months........varies by location..........that can kill a couple mpg as well.

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I have the same problem.
My engine runs 1 liter on 9KM. terrible. and really expensive. In march I will drive to Austria through gemany Hope that the engine will perform better afterwards.. (no speedlimit so the engine can finally do something... )
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Old Feb 13th, 2004, 05:25 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Quote: Originally Posted by Spookyfish
If you are using the speedo to measure your 60mph, worn tires would make no difference, or 'save' fuel as you will in fact be going slower than indicated.

I'm not, because you are right. I time the mileposts (60sec/1mile).

Worn tires decrease circumference which increase revs/mile, so an indicated 60mph on the speedo would be a lower absolute speed than new tires.

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