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GeoffMM · Oct 15th, 2005, 02:19 PM

Had my mini cooper s with no mods dyno'd today and these are the results

Before:- (Tested by bmw in march after complaints of power loss) (crank results)
163 bhp
152 nM

After:- (Tested 15/10/2005) (At Wheels)
181 bhp
151 nM

The after results are figures from the wheels. I have been told that wheels to crank includes losses of 15%.

This equates to crank results of:-

208bhp
174nM

Let me know what you think.

Fevs · Oct 15th, 2005, 02:23 PM

geoff what garage did the dyno ?

GeoffMM · Oct 15th, 2005, 02:40 PM

well lane and they only had the dyno calibrayed last week which is why i chose today to get it done.

petervankessel · Oct 15th, 2005, 04:46 PM

Reading the first post, i presume it wasn't the same dyno place?

Either way, nice end result!!!! Can you post the dyno sheet?

Cheers,
Peter

Makes me wonder even more how my end result will be after fitting the MTH header and software... The before dyno was 160hp at the wheels (no dyno sheet yet i'm afraid).

Mike Edwards · Oct 15th, 2005, 05:39 PM

My car 12 days after delivery and still standard (Works airfilter fitted before delivery) managed 165bhp at the wheels...

petervankessel · Oct 15th, 2005, 07:49 PM

An induction kit should bring between 3 and 12hp (reading various posts) so 165whp is roughly the same to my max. hp with the standard setup.

GeoffMM · Oct 15th, 2005, 08:16 PM

gonna take a photo of the results sheet and add it in the morning, its a nice smooth graph.

petervankessel · Oct 16th, 2005, 10:36 AM

Geoff, where both dyno's at the same place?

GeoffMM · Oct 16th, 2005, 10:57 AM

yes i really would not worry about damaging the engine it was not a very hot day and the fan was going like crazy blowing air into my inlet so all will be fine.

No the 2 runs were done at different place. I appreciate you get differenced from different places however i am not taking these results too seriously. I just wanted to point out how smooth the flow of the graph was and that mth is actually making a positive difference so far.
Also i was there and there was an awesome impreza p1 there. I want it!!

RedUn · Oct 16th, 2005, 11:43 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by GeoffMM

Had my mini cooper s with no mods dyno'd today and these are the results

Before:- (Tested by bmw in march after complaints of power loss) (crank results)
163 bhp
152 nM

After:- (Tested 15/10/2005) (At Wheels)
181 bhp
151 nM

The after results are figures from the wheels. I have been told that wheels to crank includes losses of 15%.

This equates to crank results of:-

208bhp
174nM

Let me know what you think.

very good results just from a remap, you sure that the 181bhp wasn't at the crank?

GeoffMM · Oct 16th, 2005, 11:53 AM

i only know what they said and they said the wheels.

Also i cant my photos of the graphs uploaded so if anoyone can do it for me can you drop me a pm so i can send them.

thankyou

RedUn · Oct 16th, 2005, 11:59 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by GeoffMM

i only know what they said and they said the wheels.

Also i cant my photos of the graphs uploaded so if anoyone can do it for me can you drop me a pm so i can send them.

thankyou

pm sent

minigolf · Oct 16th, 2005, 01:19 PM

If your dyno charts have them, I'd love to see the air/fuel ratios too please.

XTREEM · Oct 16th, 2005, 01:25 PM

It would surely have to be crank power???? or a world record lol

181 atw with no pulley, ???

St00ge · Oct 17th, 2005, 10:42 AM

there is no way u'd get 180 bhp at the wheels. With a 15% loss, that's about 213 bhp at the crank, which is better than a new works. I just got a remap done by MTH, and no way i can take on a 210bhp JCW.

Elie

uncle albert · Oct 17th, 2005, 10:52 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by etalj

I just got a remap done by MTH, and no way i can take on a 210bhp JCW.

I don't even have a remap and I'd still take one on! But then I am a bit gone in the head! :P

James

St00ge · Oct 17th, 2005, 11:02 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by uncle albert

I don't even have a remap and I'd still take one on! But then I am a bit gone in the head! :P

James

lol well wen i say take on, i mean keep up with

M111 CGC · Oct 17th, 2005, 12:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by GeoffMM

Before:- (Tested by bmw in march after complaints of power loss) (crank results)
163 bhp
152 nM

Sounds like catalogue figures to me.... How did they 'measure' these crankshaft figures -did they really take the engine out of your car to test it?

Until you get some dyno results from the same car on the same (wheel) dyno, before and after MTH then I would be extremely sceptical of these figures.

Mike Edwards · Oct 17th, 2005, 06:10 PM

They generally get them by dipping the clutch as soon as the gauge on the dyno indicating power starts to drop. That way the rate at which the rollers slow down allows you to calculate the transmission losses (inc hysteresis of the tyres).

St00ge · Oct 19th, 2005, 07:06 AM

If you've got this much power coming out of ur car, then why don't you contact BBR uk, and win their challenge?

http://www.bbrgti.com/mini.php

They say that if you get more than a 18bhp gain with just a remap, u'll win a 24000 pound cooper s.

Oct 15th, 2005, 02:19 PM	#1
GeoffMM COOPER S LOCAL Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LINCOLN Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 310 Offline	Mcs Mth Dyno Results Had my mini cooper s with no mods dyno'd today and these are the results Before:- (Tested by bmw in march after complaints of power loss) (crank results) 163 bhp 152 nM After:- (Tested 15/10/2005) (At Wheels) 181 bhp 151 nM The after results are figures from the wheels. I have been told that wheels to crank includes losses of 15%. This equates to crank results of:- 208bhp 174nM Let me know what you think. If all goes well soon to have a GTT 210bhp !!!!! Last edited by GeoffMM : Oct 16th, 2005 at 11:05 AM.

Oct 15th, 2005, 02:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
Fevs heading north !!!! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: on the move Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 8,934 Offline	geoff what garage did the dyno ? Global motivator

Oct 15th, 2005, 02:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
GeoffMM COOPER S LOCAL Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LINCOLN Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 310 Offline	well lane and they only had the dyno calibrayed last week which is why i chose today to get it done. If all goes well soon to have a GTT 210bhp !!!!!

Oct 15th, 2005, 04:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
petervankessel MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holland Local Time: 11:06 AM Posts: 81 Offline	Reading the first post, i presume it wasn't the same dyno place? Either way, nice end result!!!! Can you post the dyno sheet? Cheers, Peter Makes me wonder even more how my end result will be after fitting the MTH header and software... The before dyno was 160hp at the wheels (no dyno sheet yet i'm afraid). Jetblack, OMP upper and lower strutbrace, Milltek catback and manifold, softwaretuning, LED parking lights. 215hp/266Nm, 18" Works R95, Aerokit with smoked sidemarkers

Oct 15th, 2005, 07:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
petervankessel MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holland Local Time: 11:06 AM Posts: 81 Offline	An induction kit should bring between 3 and 12hp (reading various posts) so 165whp is roughly the same to my max. hp with the standard setup. Jetblack, OMP upper and lower strutbrace, Milltek catback and manifold, softwaretuning, LED parking lights. 215hp/266Nm, 18" Works R95, Aerokit with smoked sidemarkers

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Oct 15th, 2005, 05:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mike Edwards MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Herefordshire Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 836 Offline	My car 12 days after delivery and still standard (Works airfilter fitted before delivery) managed 165bhp at the wheels...

Oct 15th, 2005, 08:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
GeoffMM COOPER S LOCAL Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LINCOLN Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 310 Offline	gonna take a photo of the results sheet and add it in the morning, its a nice smooth graph. If all goes well soon to have a GTT 210bhp !!!!!

Oct 16th, 2005, 10:36 AM	#8 (permalink)
petervankessel MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Holland Local Time: 11:06 AM Posts: 81 Offline	Geoff, where both dyno's at the same place? Jetblack, OMP upper and lower strutbrace, Milltek catback and manifold, softwaretuning, LED parking lights. 215hp/266Nm, 18" Works R95, Aerokit with smoked sidemarkers

Oct 16th, 2005, 10:57 AM	#9 (permalink)
GeoffMM COOPER S LOCAL Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LINCOLN Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 310 Offline	yes i really would not worry about damaging the engine it was not a very hot day and the fan was going like crazy blowing air into my inlet so all will be fine. No the 2 runs were done at different place. I appreciate you get differenced from different places however i am not taking these results too seriously. I just wanted to point out how smooth the flow of the graph was and that mth is actually making a positive difference so far. Also i was there and there was an awesome impreza p1 there. I want it!! Attached Thumbnails If all goes well soon to have a GTT 210bhp !!!!!

Oct 16th, 2005, 11:43 AM	#10 (permalink)
RedUn MUGEN POWER Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: s2ki.com Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 11,615 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by GeoffMM Had my mini cooper s with no mods dyno'd today and these are the results Before:- (Tested by bmw in march after complaints of power loss) (crank results) 163 bhp 152 nM After:- (Tested 15/10/2005) (At Wheels) 181 bhp 151 nM The after results are figures from the wheels. I have been told that wheels to crank includes losses of 15%. This equates to crank results of:- 208bhp 174nM Let me know what you think. very good results just from a remap, you sure that the 181bhp wasn't at the crank?

Oct 16th, 2005, 11:53 AM	#11 (permalink)
GeoffMM COOPER S LOCAL Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LINCOLN Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 310 Offline	i only know what they said and they said the wheels. Also i cant my photos of the graphs uploaded so if anoyone can do it for me can you drop me a pm so i can send them. thankyou If all goes well soon to have a GTT 210bhp !!!!!

Oct 16th, 2005, 11:59 AM	#12 (permalink)
RedUn MUGEN POWER Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: s2ki.com Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 11,615 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by GeoffMM i only know what they said and they said the wheels. Also i cant my photos of the graphs uploaded so if anoyone can do it for me can you drop me a pm so i can send them. thankyou pm sent

Oct 16th, 2005, 01:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 08:06 PM Posts: 14,097 Offline	If your dyno charts have them, I'd love to see the air/fuel ratios too please. Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

Oct 16th, 2005, 01:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
XTREEM MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Batemans Bay Local Time: 08:06 PM Posts: 845 Offline	It would surely have to be crank power???? or a world record lol 181 atw with no pulley, ???

Oct 17th, 2005, 10:42 AM	#15 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:06 PM Posts: 2,864 Offline	there is no way u'd get 180 bhp at the wheels. With a 15% loss, that's about 213 bhp at the crank, which is better than a new works. I just got a remap done by MTH, and no way i can take on a 210bhp JCW. Elie

Oct 17th, 2005, 10:52 AM	#16 (permalink)
uncle albert MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hereford/Cwmbran Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 830 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by etalj I just got a remap done by MTH, and no way i can take on a 210bhp JCW. I don't even have a remap and I'd still take one on! But then I am a bit gone in the head! :P James

Oct 17th, 2005, 11:02 AM	#17 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:06 PM Posts: 2,864 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by uncle albert I don't even have a remap and I'd still take one on! But then I am a bit gone in the head! :P James lol well wen i say take on, i mean keep up with

Oct 17th, 2005, 12:39 PM	#18 (permalink)
M111 CGC Mini Madness My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: West Berkshire Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 380 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by GeoffMM Before:- (Tested by bmw in march after complaints of power loss) (crank results) 163 bhp 152 nM Sounds like catalogue figures to me.... How did they 'measure' these crankshaft figures -did they really take the engine out of your car to test it? Until you get some dyno results from the same car on the same (wheel) dyno, before and after MTH then I would be extremely sceptical of these figures. 2007 Clubman Cooper D ~ 2004 Cooper S JCW

Oct 17th, 2005, 06:10 PM	#19 (permalink)
Mike Edwards MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Herefordshire Local Time: 10:06 AM Posts: 836 Offline	They generally get them by dipping the clutch as soon as the gauge on the dyno indicating power starts to drop. That way the rate at which the rollers slow down allows you to calculate the transmission losses (inc hysteresis of the tyres).

Oct 19th, 2005, 07:06 AM	#20 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:06 PM Posts: 2,864 Offline	If you've got this much power coming out of ur car, then why don't you contact BBR uk, and win their challenge? http://www.bbrgti.com/mini.php They say that if you get more than a 18bhp gain with just a remap, u'll win a 24000 pound cooper s.

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