[Rickys'S]

Please look at my attached picture

Here is my nearly finished engine, i say nearly as i am waiting for some silicone hose to replace my black catch can hoses!

Spec as follows:-
GTT Top mount Intercooler
GTT Big valve cyl head (stage 3)
GTT 18% pully
M7 Modifyed Charger
GTT idler & twin tensioner pullys
GTT Induction kit
Schrick Cam
GTT Exhaust Header
Milltek cat back
GTT 63mm Throttle Body
Modifyed Bypass Valve,Inlet Manifold & intercooler Snoots
JCW Injectors
2X GTT Oil Catch Cans (1 for each rocker breather)
Samco induction hose & SFS blue coolant Hoses

I think thays it

I say guess the power as it is going in for live mapping with the unichip piggy back ecu tomorrow , no more MTH

[minicabrio]

Haven't got a clue.............238bhp????

Thats my guess!!

[Rickys'S]

Quote: Originally Posted by minicabrio-uk

Haven't got a clue.............238bhp????

Thats my guess!!

I hope not looking for 250+ will sell it if it only goes 238 ......well maybe not!

[minicabrio]

I'd be happy with 238bhp.......

waiting with interest........

[supercharged99]

why did you not like the MTH map ?

[Hyper Active]

My guess is 273bhp exactly, or there abouts .

[Berthil]

Quote: Originally Posted by supercharged99

why did you not like the MTH map ?

I'm wondering too. I had Digi-Tec tuning and the MTH map even got me more power with the same hardware (I got the Milltek catback too). Next weekend I'm getting the MTH header with optimized tuner file and I expect some hp from it. It should get me to 240, yours is probably about 250.

[Rickys'S]

Quote: Originally Posted by Berthil

I'm wondering too. I had Digi-Tec tuning and the MTH map even got me more power with the same hardware (I got the Milltek catback too). Next weekend I'm getting the MTH header with optimized tuner file and I expect some hp from it. It should get me to 240, yours is probably about 250.

Lets start with the pros, MTH is very good and is relativly cheap as far as mapping goes,in my car with mild mods everything was fine and i was very happy indeed and would still be using MTH if i thought that there was'nt something availible that is better! But that is the point there is the dastek unichip which is a piggyback ecu that is live mapped to your car on the rollers to the spec i want and safely.

My point is that there is no way a guy a 1000 miles away can tell exactly what a engine is going at a given time, as no 2 engines are the same.

This has always been in my mind since i began on the tuning route, i wanted a safe live mapping process with a piggyback ecu that i could control with the operator that is doing the mapping work.

[Loui]

sounds interesting totally true about the a guy miles away knowing what an engine is doing, interesting to see what the new map does to it

[Berthil]

That's why MTH requires your current software if you want a tuner file or the tuner file for the header (not the standard MTH file). The download of your software has te be send to MTH so they can see from the file how your engine is performing, and can make changes according to the readings in your current software. That's why the ecu has to be reset after uploading the new motormanagement, to reset the stored readings acquired with your previous software. So a thousand miles away is not accurate since you are sending your performance readings to MTH.

[Loui]

Id still rather it be done live, on a set of rollers, maybe im a bit old fashioned in that respect

[notts04chillimini]

i run my car with mth tuner file, but yes if i was to go all out on the tuning then id want it to be mapped in front of me on the rollers

[minigolf]

89hp.

[1320autos]

Just to add my 2 cents but how does live mapping on rollers be any better than someone doing it a 1000 miles away;

How do the rollers generate the g force when you are accelerating??

How do the rollers generate a wind from 5mph to 140mph??

Rollers and engine dynos are good for setting up or trying something to see the difference but don't believe the figures until you can test it in the real world i.e dragstrip, then whatever your mph is, represents your geniune bhp.

Also peak numbers doesn't propel your car quicker, how long do you spend at 6900??

[Loui]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1320autos

Just to add my 2 cents but how does live mapping on rollers be any better than someone doing it a 1000 miles away;

How do the rollers generate the g force when you are accelerating??

How do the rollers generate a wind from 5mph to 140mph??

Rollers and engine dynos are good for setting up or trying something to see the difference but don't believe the figures until you can test it in the real world i.e dragstrip, then whatever your mph is, represents your geniune bhp.

Also peak numbers doesn't propel your car quicker, how long do you spend at 6900??

Thats a fair comment because you can never recreate the airflow at speed, an you do get slip on the rollers

[Il Generale]

how many hp have you reach with the mth tuner file?

thanks

[Revolution Mini Works]

I would say a "true" hp for that car would be about 205 WHEEL hp.... let's please stop with the BHP guestimations.... it's silly

[SiBradbury]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kumho Kid

I would say a "true" hp for that car would be about 205 WHEEL hp.... let's please stop with the BHP guestimations.... it's silly

Where do Bmw get the Cooper S horse power quote from? Engine or wheels?

[Revolution Mini Works]

Quote: Originally Posted by sibradbury

Where do Bmw get the Cooper S horse power quote from? Engine or wheels?

from an engine dyno which 99.9% of the poplulation doesn't have... so why guess at something when you can read the whp on the dyno's that we have? It only matters what is at the wheels anyway... I guess it's comes down to people liking to believe they have more HP than they really do....

[SiBradbury]

Surely if its not that silly then is it?
I mean if you want to make a comparison between standard power and post-modification power then it makes perfect sense to quote crank bhp if thats the base to work from.