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rasp · Oct 23rd, 2005, 11:42 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by supercharged99

i had the west - tuning 210 bhp before i went the 260 bhp one.

all the parts were fitted.
i thought GTT used MTH.

SO I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO'S CAR IS DOWN ON POWER ??

if i wanted 230 bhp i would have paid for that.not the extra £2000 for no extra horses.

temp.that day was 13*C

So what was you getting with the 210 West Tuning package? As you can see I have the West Tuning 260 package and I got 263 on the dyno. Be carefull with the dyno's there are a lot of miss calculated results due to the dyno not being performed in the correct manner...

St00ge · Oct 24th, 2005, 10:22 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by XTREEM

You can pay a fortune from BMW Australia or import them from one of the American shops.. But you really dont need them at this stage. Even with the 17% you plan its probably not a must.

How much would it cost from a BM dealer? (don't i need a JCW number or something?)

Which american shop can i get them from?

Elie

PS. I dunno about which pulley to get yet. I've read on randy webb's site that the 15% is the most reliable but no one can give me an indication as to the power/torque/etc differences between the 15 and 17% pulleys, and reliability issues as well.

XTREEM · Oct 24th, 2005, 11:19 AM

BMW want in the $1000 vicinity

I'm sure Randy Webb or Detroit Tuning can hook you up! I tried to buy through Helix with no success.

St00ge · Oct 24th, 2005, 11:48 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by XTREEM

BMW want in the $1000 vicinity

I'm sure Randy Webb or Detroit Tuning can hook you up! I tried to buy through Helix with no success.

Lol, might go with the Randy then. But lata......

Have you got a pulley installed?

Elie

XTREEM · Oct 24th, 2005, 12:35 PM

St00ge · Oct 24th, 2005, 12:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by XTREEM

19%

whoa, you must have a fast little fella, do you have a new belt?

Elie

XTREEM · Oct 24th, 2005, 01:02 PM

Yeah running a gates 060535

St00ge · Oct 24th, 2005, 01:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by XTREEM

Yeah running a gates 060535

hmm, yeh see that's one of my problems. The only problem i've heard with a 17% pulley is with a guy that didn't fit a proper belt, but randy webb says that the 15% pulley is the most reliable, and it doesn't require a new belt. He also says that Alta is the best one to get. But i speak to a guy that has a 17% pulley, and he says his car is a rocket.

Elie

XTREEM · Oct 24th, 2005, 01:29 PM

Yeah a 15% is the safest route. I think the ProMini pulley is every bit as good as the Alta.

To be honest you couldnt class a Mini as a rocket. A nice fun car yes but a rocket no.

St00ge · Oct 24th, 2005, 01:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by XTREEM

Yeah a 15% is the safest route. I think the ProMini pulley is every bit as good as the Alta.

To be honest you couldnt class a Mini as a rocket. A nice fun car yes but a rocket no.

how much power difference is there between the 15 and the 17, do you reckon?

Elie

XTREEM · Oct 24th, 2005, 02:10 PM

The biggest advantage of the smaller pulleys is the boost coming on earlier, which is great for day to day street use.

St00ge · Oct 24th, 2005, 02:20 PM

yeh true. so how much earlier, and i'm assuming the power difference is negligible between the two?

XTREEM · Oct 24th, 2005, 02:33 PM

Power difference isnt huge, there has been some good dyno comparisons over on NAM showing good torque increases when running the 19%. Power comes on 500-1000rpm earlier.

If your worried about reliability and not able to do the work yourself if something goes wrong? just do the 15%

St00ge · Oct 24th, 2005, 02:38 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by XTREEM

Power difference isnt huge, there has been some good dyno comparisons over on NAM showing good torque increases when running the 19%. Power comes on 500-1000rpm earlier.

If your worried about reliability and not able to do the work yourself if something goes wrong? just do the 15%

well i'm definately not doin the 19%, but tossing up between 15 and 17, but, i've heard good things about both.

But the thing is i dunno how to do the work if something goes wrong. By the way, what can go wrong exactly?

Elie

XTREEM · Oct 24th, 2005, 03:03 PM

Possible belt issues "however this doesnt seem to be a problem with the 17%". possible charger failure etc etc.

St00ge · Oct 24th, 2005, 03:07 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by XTREEM

Possible belt issues "however this doesnt seem to be a problem with the 17%". possible charger failure etc etc.

yeh. But if i get a belt designed to cope with the 17% pulley, that should be ok. Those charger probs are probably expensive....

what to do....

XTREEM · Oct 24th, 2005, 03:21 PM

Very expensive if you have to pay labour & BMW Australia prices for the charger

I just replaced mine with a UK Ebay unit and total cost including freight was under $500Aus

doing my own labour.

I havnt had any belt issues with the 19% it looked like brand new after a few thousands K's.

Sorry for the hi-jack of this thread... we better get back on topic.

St00ge · Oct 25th, 2005, 02:22 AM

yeh good point. Sorry ppl.

supercharged99 · Oct 25th, 2005, 01:08 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by rasp

So what was you getting with the 210 West Tuning package? As you can see I have the West Tuning 260 package and I got 263 on the dyno. Be carefull with the dyno's there are a lot of miss calculated results due to the dyno not being performed in the correct manner...

with the WEST package , i got 214 bhp.

what MAP does RAY WEST use on the 260 bhp car ?

SoggyCornFlakes · Oct 25th, 2005, 01:34 PM

Well reading this makes you wonder what is factual and what isn't. Guess there's a lot to be said for sticking with the JCW route afterall.

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supercharged99 clinton steenkamp Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: west yorkshire Local Time: 10:20 PM Posts: 228 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by rasp So what was you getting with the 210 West Tuning package? As you can see I have the West Tuning 260 package and I got 263 on the dyno. Be carefull with the dyno's there are a lot of miss calculated results due to the dyno not being performed in the correct manner... with the WEST package , i got 214 bhp. what MAP does RAY WEST use on the 260 bhp car ? yeeeeeehaaaaaaa DAMN THIS THING IS QUICK

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Oct 23rd, 2005, 11:42 PM	#21
rasp The Mini Family Sponsers Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Harlow Local Time: 10:20 PM Posts: 1,629 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by supercharged99 i had the west - tuning 210 bhp before i went the 260 bhp one. all the parts were fitted. i thought GTT used MTH. SO I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO'S CAR IS DOWN ON POWER ?? if i wanted 230 bhp i would have paid for that.not the extra £2000 for no extra horses. temp.that day was 13*C So what was you getting with the 210 West Tuning package? As you can see I have the West Tuning 260 package and I got 263 on the dyno. Be carefull with the dyno's there are a lot of miss calculated results due to the dyno not being performed in the correct manner...

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Oct 24th, 2005, 10:22 AM	#22 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:20 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by XTREEM You can pay a fortune from BMW Australia or import them from one of the American shops.. But you really dont need them at this stage. Even with the 17% you plan its probably not a must. How much would it cost from a BM dealer? (don't i need a JCW number or something?) Which american shop can i get them from? Elie PS. I dunno about which pulley to get yet. I've read on randy webb's site that the 15% is the most reliable but no one can give me an indication as to the power/torque/etc differences between the 15 and 17% pulleys, and reliability issues as well.

Oct 24th, 2005, 11:19 AM	#23 (permalink)
XTREEM MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Batemans Bay Local Time: 08:20 AM Posts: 836 Offline	BMW want in the $1000 vicinity I'm sure Randy Webb or Detroit Tuning can hook you up! I tried to buy through Helix with no success.

Oct 24th, 2005, 11:48 AM	#24 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:20 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by XTREEM BMW want in the $1000 vicinity I'm sure Randy Webb or Detroit Tuning can hook you up! I tried to buy through Helix with no success. Lol, might go with the Randy then. But lata...... Have you got a pulley installed? Elie

Oct 24th, 2005, 12:35 PM	#25 (permalink)
XTREEM MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Batemans Bay Local Time: 08:20 AM Posts: 836 Offline	19%

Oct 24th, 2005, 12:41 PM	#26 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:20 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by XTREEM 19% whoa, you must have a fast little fella, do you have a new belt? Elie

Oct 24th, 2005, 01:02 PM	#27 (permalink)
XTREEM MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Batemans Bay Local Time: 08:20 AM Posts: 836 Offline	Yeah running a gates 060535

Oct 24th, 2005, 01:14 PM	#28 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:20 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by XTREEM Yeah running a gates 060535 hmm, yeh see that's one of my problems. The only problem i've heard with a 17% pulley is with a guy that didn't fit a proper belt, but randy webb says that the 15% pulley is the most reliable, and it doesn't require a new belt. He also says that Alta is the best one to get. But i speak to a guy that has a 17% pulley, and he says his car is a rocket. Elie

Oct 24th, 2005, 01:29 PM	#29 (permalink)
XTREEM MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Batemans Bay Local Time: 08:20 AM Posts: 836 Offline	Yeah a 15% is the safest route. I think the ProMini pulley is every bit as good as the Alta. To be honest you couldnt class a Mini as a rocket. A nice fun car yes but a rocket no.

Oct 24th, 2005, 01:52 PM	#30 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:20 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by XTREEM Yeah a 15% is the safest route. I think the ProMini pulley is every bit as good as the Alta. To be honest you couldnt class a Mini as a rocket. A nice fun car yes but a rocket no. how much power difference is there between the 15 and the 17, do you reckon? Elie

Oct 24th, 2005, 02:10 PM	#31 (permalink)
XTREEM MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Batemans Bay Local Time: 08:20 AM Posts: 836 Offline	The biggest advantage of the smaller pulleys is the boost coming on earlier, which is great for day to day street use.

Oct 24th, 2005, 02:20 PM	#32 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:20 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	yeh true. so how much earlier, and i'm assuming the power difference is negligible between the two?

Oct 24th, 2005, 02:33 PM	#33 (permalink)
XTREEM MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Batemans Bay Local Time: 08:20 AM Posts: 836 Offline	Power difference isnt huge, there has been some good dyno comparisons over on NAM showing good torque increases when running the 19%. Power comes on 500-1000rpm earlier. If your worried about reliability and not able to do the work yourself if something goes wrong? just do the 15%

Oct 24th, 2005, 02:38 PM	#34 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:20 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by XTREEM Power difference isnt huge, there has been some good dyno comparisons over on NAM showing good torque increases when running the 19%. Power comes on 500-1000rpm earlier. If your worried about reliability and not able to do the work yourself if something goes wrong? just do the 15% well i'm definately not doin the 19%, but tossing up between 15 and 17, but, i've heard good things about both. But the thing is i dunno how to do the work if something goes wrong. By the way, what can go wrong exactly? Elie

Oct 24th, 2005, 03:03 PM	#35 (permalink)
XTREEM MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Batemans Bay Local Time: 08:20 AM Posts: 836 Offline	Possible belt issues "however this doesnt seem to be a problem with the 17%". possible charger failure etc etc.

Oct 24th, 2005, 03:07 PM	#36 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:20 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by XTREEM Possible belt issues "however this doesnt seem to be a problem with the 17%". possible charger failure etc etc. yeh. But if i get a belt designed to cope with the 17% pulley, that should be ok. Those charger probs are probably expensive.... what to do....

Oct 24th, 2005, 03:21 PM	#37 (permalink)
XTREEM MINI2 Master Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Batemans Bay Local Time: 08:20 AM Posts: 836 Offline	Very expensive if you have to pay labour & BMW Australia prices for the charger I just replaced mine with a UK Ebay unit and total cost including freight was under $500Aus doing my own labour. I havnt had any belt issues with the 19% it looked like brand new after a few thousands K's. Sorry for the hi-jack of this thread... we better get back on topic.

Oct 25th, 2005, 02:22 AM	#38 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:20 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	yeh good point. Sorry ppl.

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