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ScottishcooperS · Dec 5th, 2005, 03:15 PM

Hello all

Im just away to get my Alta 15% reduction pulley fitted. However someone said to me the car will run poorly unless i get a re-map

i cannot afford a re-map just yet, so should i wait till i can afford the re-map before i put the pulley on, or should i go ahead and change the pulley?

He said it would run like a bag of nails and fuel poorly.

Willie

The_Bster · Dec 5th, 2005, 03:49 PM

Change the pulley! Stock maps are running too rich anyways.

Go ahead and change it, a lot of people have 15%, 17%, and some 19% without the remap and it runs fine.

Getting a remap, however, will maximise the gains of tha pulley.

ScottishcooperS · Dec 5th, 2005, 04:14 PM

Thats great news, thats what i was hoping someone would say,
i knew i wouldnt get the best out of it untill a re-map but as long
as it runs okay

ScottishcooperS · Dec 5th, 2005, 09:12 PM

just been in contact with the boys at Lohen and they recomend a re-map for a few reasons:

"2. Remap - not crucial and your car will operate fine without it, but it is
not recommended over a long run as the following happens - smaller pulley
equals more boost, more boost equals more air in the engine. More air in the
engine makes the petrol/air mixture too lean (when there is too much air and
not enough petrol), which will burn hotter in the cylinders.

Over a longer period of time (especially if you drive hard, as it becomes
more extreme higher up the rev range)it can cause damadge to the exhaust
valves (it burns them) which could result in an engine reduild. So we feel
it is our responsibility to recommend you to have a re-map (we dont really
care who's as long as you have one)."

I have too say any problem big or small Andrey (Lohen) has been an excellent help
and so will definately be keeping my custom with them as much as possible

Willie

camminich · Dec 5th, 2005, 09:16 PM

I too have the 15% without a re-map, and am very happy with it. In fact from what I have read and seen, with the re-map you do get a little more power, but less fuel econ. My econ went up about 2 to 3 mpg with the pulley. Mostly due to the increased torque you get with the pulley. So for me, the pulley is plenty. If you are just looking for a little bit extra, I too would just recomend the pulley.

Thanx
Cameron

ScottishcooperS · Dec 5th, 2005, 09:34 PM

Again thats good to hear.

Thanks for reply!

Willie

Nick_MSM · Dec 5th, 2005, 10:30 PM

What sort of performance gains can be had from this pulley then on a JCW? Is it a definate must have mod? Any warrenty probs?

MINIAC · Dec 5th, 2005, 10:51 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Nick_MSM

What sort of performance gains can be had from this pulley then on a JCW? Is it a definate must have mod? Any warrenty probs?

The JCW Kit has a 14% reduction supercharger pulley. Changing the pulley to a smaller one will void the warranty on the kit and devalue your car

ScottishcooperS · Dec 5th, 2005, 11:58 PM

will only devalue your car if the person who is buying it knows youv had one on,
dont think much people would sell there car woth one still on!

MINIAC · Dec 6th, 2005, 12:33 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by ScottishcooperS

will only devalue your car if the person who is buying it knows youv had one on,
dont think much people would sell there car woth one still on!

Good luck trying to find a JCW pulley to put back on

hyprblu · Dec 6th, 2005, 02:10 AM

which is why I went for the 17% pulley and the air filter.....similar power for a lot less money....money I can use if there is ever a problem.......using standard map and been running the pulley for over 15000 kms with no issues so far. The car has done over 5700 kms in the last 14 months with only being serviced as per the indicator which has meant only 2 services so far. What a car....a total credit to the designers.

St00ge · Dec 6th, 2005, 02:11 AM

hey willie, I hope it wasn't me you got that from, cos if i said that, its crap. I won't run poorly by any means. The remap will make it better, and is better for the car get the pulley now mate, and worry about the remap a little later. It's advisable, but not necessary for a small period of time. Don't put it off for too long, especially since EssentialMINI in the UK is offering MTH remaps for 180 pounds. The remap doesn't only change the power/torque, but the throttle response and the traction control. It makes the MCS the car is should be. It even enhances the burbling out the back!

Elie

aDeLoreanGuy · Dec 6th, 2005, 04:53 AM

The past weekend the local MINI club here had a tech session. The guys at Alta joined us and helped install their pulleys. We had it down to a science doing three cars at a time in an assembly line like fashion. The remap was never mentioned by them. The only time they even had to hook up a computer was to clear an error when we started one accidentally with the throttle body unplugged.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to make it until last minute, so I didn't get a pulley installed. But everybody there seemed to notice the power difference right away! After talking to the Alta guys and hearing them talk about the MINI, I wouldn't hesitate to get a pulley myself.

Chris

ScottishcooperS · Dec 6th, 2005, 12:22 PM

MINIAC - I would just be putting my standard S one back on if i could.

Elie - no mate it was'nt anything you said it was someone else, and yeah i think i will go ahead and get it on and just get a re-map when i have a few other mods so its worth while.

Chris - cheers for reply!

Willie

St00ge · Dec 6th, 2005, 01:25 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ScottishcooperS

Elie - no mate it was'nt anything you said it was someone else, and yeah i think i will go ahead and get it on and just get a re-map when i have a few other mods so its worth while.

Willie

phew

Enjoy the pulley!

Elie

MINIAC · Dec 6th, 2005, 02:35 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ScottishcooperS

I would just be putting my standard S one back on if i could.

The stock and JCW supercharger pulleys are press fitted ... hope you can remove yours without destroying it

ScottishcooperS · Dec 6th, 2005, 04:56 PM

^ ^ ^ does the pulley removal tool still damage the stock pulley?
if so someone will just be getting sold a tuned mini then.

c_me_swim · Dec 6th, 2005, 08:34 PM

You'll get a whole supercharger with standard pulley back when we change your car over to the 15% reduction pulley this weekend.

This means that the pulley will not be damaged as it will still be on the original supercharger.

Hope your looking forward to it.

Just remember what the guys at Lohen said, they will look out for you.

MINIAC · Dec 6th, 2005, 08:43 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by c_me_swim

You'll get a whole supercharger with standard pulley back when we change your car over to the 15% reduction pulley this weekend.

This means that the pulley will not be damaged as it will still be on the original supercharger.

Hope your looking forward to it.

Just remember what the guys at Lohen said, they will look out for you.

He has to buy a new supercharger to have a 15% pulley fitted

c_me_swim · Dec 6th, 2005, 09:16 PM

No but thats the deal he is getting and a good one at that.

A brand new 2005 Supercharger and his old one back, all for a great price.

Good deal if you ask me

Dec 5th, 2005, 03:15 PM	#1
ScottishcooperS MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Aberdeen Local Time: 09:24 PM Posts: 326 Offline	15% reduction pulley Hello all Im just away to get my Alta 15% reduction pulley fitted. However someone said to me the car will run poorly unless i get a re-map i cannot afford a re-map just yet, so should i wait till i can afford the re-map before i put the pulley on, or should i go ahead and change the pulley? He said it would run like a bag of nails and fuel poorly. Willie a l t a - j c w - e i b a c h - u l t r a - g t t m i l l t e k - s p e e d l i n e

Dec 5th, 2005, 03:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
The_Bster Brrrp Brrrp!!! Join Date: Jul 2004 Local Time: 05:24 AM Posts: 284 Offline	Change the pulley! Stock maps are running too rich anyways. Go ahead and change it, a lot of people have 15%, 17%, and some 19% without the remap and it runs fine. Getting a remap, however, will maximise the gains of tha pulley. Mr. Mini Addict ®. "I'm just a mini addict looking for my next fix... ..."

Dec 5th, 2005, 04:14 PM	#3 (permalink)
ScottishcooperS MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Aberdeen Local Time: 09:24 PM Posts: 326 Offline	Thats great news, thats what i was hoping someone would say, i knew i wouldnt get the best out of it untill a re-map but as long as it runs okay a l t a - j c w - e i b a c h - u l t r a - g t t m i l l t e k - s p e e d l i n e

Dec 5th, 2005, 09:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
ScottishcooperS MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Aberdeen Local Time: 09:24 PM Posts: 326 Offline	just been in contact with the boys at Lohen and they recomend a re-map for a few reasons: "2. Remap - not crucial and your car will operate fine without it, but it is not recommended over a long run as the following happens - smaller pulley equals more boost, more boost equals more air in the engine. More air in the engine makes the petrol/air mixture too lean (when there is too much air and not enough petrol), which will burn hotter in the cylinders. Over a longer period of time (especially if you drive hard, as it becomes more extreme higher up the rev range)it can cause damadge to the exhaust valves (it burns them) which could result in an engine reduild. So we feel it is our responsibility to recommend you to have a re-map (we dont really care who's as long as you have one)." I have too say any problem big or small Andrey (Lohen) has been an excellent help and so will definately be keeping my custom with them as much as possible Willie a l t a - j c w - e i b a c h - u l t r a - g t t m i l l t e k - s p e e d l i n e

Dec 5th, 2005, 09:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
camminich MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Indianapolis, IN Local Time: 04:24 PM Posts: 160 Offline	I too have the 15% without a re-map, and am very happy with it. In fact from what I have read and seen, with the re-map you do get a little more power, but less fuel econ. My econ went up about 2 to 3 mpg with the pulley. Mostly due to the increased torque you get with the pulley. So for me, the pulley is plenty. If you are just looking for a little bit extra, I too would just recomend the pulley. Thanx Cameron 2003 MCS Dark Silver/Black

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Dec 5th, 2005, 09:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
ScottishcooperS MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Aberdeen Local Time: 09:24 PM Posts: 326 Offline	Again thats good to hear. Thanks for reply! Willie a l t a - j c w - e i b a c h - u l t r a - g t t m i l l t e k - s p e e d l i n e

Dec 5th, 2005, 10:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
Nick_MSM MINI2 Regular Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Sussex Local Time: 09:24 PM Posts: 121 Offline	What sort of performance gains can be had from this pulley then on a JCW? Is it a definate must have mod? Any warrenty probs?

Dec 5th, 2005, 10:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 01:24 PM Posts: 8,618 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by Nick_MSM What sort of performance gains can be had from this pulley then on a JCW? Is it a definate must have mod? Any warrenty probs? The JCW Kit has a 14% reduction supercharger pulley. Changing the pulley to a smaller one will void the warranty on the kit and devalue your car

Dec 5th, 2005, 11:58 PM	#9 (permalink)
ScottishcooperS MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Aberdeen Local Time: 09:24 PM Posts: 326 Offline	will only devalue your car if the person who is buying it knows youv had one on, dont think much people would sell there car woth one still on! a l t a - j c w - e i b a c h - u l t r a - g t t m i l l t e k - s p e e d l i n e

Dec 6th, 2005, 12:33 AM	#10 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 01:24 PM Posts: 8,618 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by ScottishcooperS will only devalue your car if the person who is buying it knows youv had one on, dont think much people would sell there car woth one still on! Good luck trying to find a JCW pulley to put back on

Dec 6th, 2005, 02:10 AM	#11 (permalink)
hyprblu MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 08:24 AM Posts: 324 Offline	which is why I went for the 17% pulley and the air filter.....similar power for a lot less money....money I can use if there is ever a problem.......using standard map and been running the pulley for over 15000 kms with no issues so far. The car has done over 5700 kms in the last 14 months with only being serviced as per the indicator which has meant only 2 services so far. What a car....a total credit to the designers.

Dec 6th, 2005, 02:11 AM	#12 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:24 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	hey willie, I hope it wasn't me you got that from, cos if i said that, its crap. I won't run poorly by any means. The remap will make it better, and is better for the car get the pulley now mate, and worry about the remap a little later. It's advisable, but not necessary for a small period of time. Don't put it off for too long, especially since EssentialMINI in the UK is offering MTH remaps for 180 pounds. The remap doesn't only change the power/torque, but the throttle response and the traction control. It makes the MCS the car is should be. It even enhances the burbling out the back! Elie

Dec 6th, 2005, 04:53 AM	#13 (permalink)
aDeLoreanGuy MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Portland, OR Local Time: 02:24 PM Posts: 72 Offline	The past weekend the local MINI club here had a tech session. The guys at Alta joined us and helped install their pulleys. We had it down to a science doing three cars at a time in an assembly line like fashion. The remap was never mentioned by them. The only time they even had to hook up a computer was to clear an error when we started one accidentally with the throttle body unplugged. Unfortunately I wasn't able to make it until last minute, so I didn't get a pulley installed. But everybody there seemed to notice the power difference right away! After talking to the Alta guys and hearing them talk about the MINI, I wouldn't hesitate to get a pulley myself. Chris

Dec 6th, 2005, 12:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
ScottishcooperS MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Aberdeen Local Time: 09:24 PM Posts: 326 Offline	MINIAC - I would just be putting my standard S one back on if i could. Elie - no mate it was'nt anything you said it was someone else, and yeah i think i will go ahead and get it on and just get a re-map when i have a few other mods so its worth while. Chris - cheers for reply! Willie a l t a - j c w - e i b a c h - u l t r a - g t t m i l l t e k - s p e e d l i n e

Dec 6th, 2005, 01:25 PM	#15 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:24 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ScottishcooperS Elie - no mate it was'nt anything you said it was someone else, and yeah i think i will go ahead and get it on and just get a re-map when i have a few other mods so its worth while. Willie phew Enjoy the pulley! Elie

Dec 6th, 2005, 02:35 PM	#16 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 01:24 PM Posts: 8,618 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by ScottishcooperS I would just be putting my standard S one back on if i could. The stock and JCW supercharger pulleys are press fitted ... hope you can remove yours without destroying it

Dec 6th, 2005, 04:56 PM	#17 (permalink)
ScottishcooperS MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Aberdeen Local Time: 09:24 PM Posts: 326 Offline	^ ^ ^ does the pulley removal tool still damage the stock pulley? if so someone will just be getting sold a tuned mini then. a l t a - j c w - e i b a c h - u l t r a - g t t m i l l t e k - s p e e d l i n e

Dec 6th, 2005, 08:34 PM	#18 (permalink)
c_me_swim MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: North East Scotland Local Time: 10:24 PM Posts: 13 Offline	You'll get a whole supercharger with standard pulley back when we change your car over to the 15% reduction pulley this weekend. This means that the pulley will not be damaged as it will still be on the original supercharger. Hope your looking forward to it. Just remember what the guys at Lohen said, they will look out for you.

Dec 6th, 2005, 08:43 PM	#19 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 01:24 PM Posts: 8,618 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by c_me_swim You'll get a whole supercharger with standard pulley back when we change your car over to the 15% reduction pulley this weekend. This means that the pulley will not be damaged as it will still be on the original supercharger. Hope your looking forward to it. Just remember what the guys at Lohen said, they will look out for you. He has to buy a new supercharger to have a 15% pulley fitted

Dec 6th, 2005, 09:16 PM	#20 (permalink)
c_me_swim MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: North East Scotland Local Time: 10:24 PM Posts: 13 Offline	No but thats the deal he is getting and a good one at that. A brand new 2005 Supercharger and his old one back, all for a great price. Good deal if you ask me

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