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Cooper_si · Dec 19th, 2005, 05:10 PM

What is going on in a grown ups mind when they decide to invest
£37,400 into a MINI? Maybe there is this Porsche killer instinct or
the David beats Goliath syndrome. And it may well be this special feeling
every time their little Brit is beating a Boxter off the traffic lights.

Franz Hölzl from MTH can easily help those people. Even with a works tuned MINI Cooper S JCW (210 bhp) MTH finds more power. Over 30 bhp more to be exact. Just with the modified software and a special header (fullfils EU4 emission control) this little MINI mutates to a big player. 247 bhp making for a very quick ride. 0-100km/h is done within a mere 5.3 seconds. Above 2000 RPM, a shear inferno breaks loose which will come to a stop only within the deep red figures at over 7000 RPM´s. The supercharger howls like a bunch of angry hornets and the exhaust is adding a nice deep roar to that.....

....Being flat out on the highway you can only imagine how shocked people are, and what they think, when this little Cooper S will not disappear from the rear view mirror of those big luxury cars.

BHP: 247
Torque: 280 NM at 3900 RPM
0-100 km/h: 5.3 sec
Figures found from independant testing.

MOTORS January 2006
----------------------

**The JCW Challenge was a limited edition available in Germany. Only 100 were made. Styling is standard, only the CF rear wing and a couple of interior items changed.
Price of this car new was £28,500 fully loaded. So with the other extras it came to £37,400 (suspension, wheels, exhaust, rear modification etc.)

German MTH Article <---click for magazine preview

Shorty · Dec 19th, 2005, 05:20 PM

This is how the lightweight GP should have turned out!

Blue_aerox · Dec 19th, 2005, 05:21 PM

5,3 seconds...

wow man, thats impressive!
Bring it on e39 m5's

Brynster · Dec 19th, 2005, 05:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Shorty

This is how the lightweight GP should have turned out!

But cheaper

Shorty · Dec 19th, 2005, 05:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Brynster

But cheaper

Oh yeah

Rakey · Dec 19th, 2005, 05:35 PM

so Si is this just MINI in the media or are you saying that you can offer this upgrade for JCW owners?

TallAndy · Dec 19th, 2005, 05:42 PM

Looks awesome, love the seats! What the GP should have been?

Cooper_si · Dec 19th, 2005, 05:43 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey

so Si is this just MINI in the media or are you saying that you can offer this upgrade for JCW owners?

I can offer both the remap and the manifold....no problem, to match the figures of the above car.

Abit of insider info for MINI2, prices are due to rise for MTH files and Manifolds directly from MTH, but im trying to keep the prices the same for the UK market

more to be revealed soon.......

Roofas · Dec 19th, 2005, 05:57 PM

are those recaro's available for the mini?

RedUn · Dec 19th, 2005, 08:12 PM

i reckon it shud be called magic mth

AidenL · Dec 19th, 2005, 08:31 PM

I have to ask the big question - how much for the upgrade?

MINIAC · Dec 19th, 2005, 08:49 PM

The MTH website claims that the MTH Kit 1 (MTH sports manifold - fully stainless steel, special 400 cell catalyst converter. Includes a special version of the tuner software) gets 10hp more than the Tuner File on a standard Cooper S.

Getting another 27hp from just tweaking the ECU doesn't seem plausible.

RedUn · Dec 19th, 2005, 08:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC

The MTH website claims that the MTH Kit 1 (MTH sports manifold - fully stainless steel, special 400 cell catalyst converter. Includes a special version of the tuner software) gets 10hp more than the Tuner File on a standard Cooper S.

Getting another 27hp from just tweaking the ECU doesn't seem plausible.

glad it's not just me thinking that

that car must have been at least 230 before the manifold and remap if u ask me

wibbly · Dec 19th, 2005, 09:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Cooper_si

Abit of insider info for MINI2.....

Is that just m2 info or have I read that elsewhere as well

And on the attached pdf file is that a standard Works exhaust...? Doesn't look it to me, perhaps a few more horses coming from there

Berthil · Dec 19th, 2005, 10:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by RedUn

glad it's not just me thinking that

That car must have been at least 230 before the manifold and remap if u ask me

That's true, but JCW has a smaller pulley as opposed to the MTH1 kit (MTH3 has the smaller pulley, air filter,cams and cylinder head as JCW has and also gets to 250hp). The MTH software utilizes the pulley better than the JCW software I think.

I already had Digi-Tec tuning and the here described MTH header and tuner file afterwards installed. The gain is amazing, I take roundabouts in 3rd gear and pull away from 1100 revs with 4 people in the car, it's like a diesel now

Beware if you have a Milltek and take the MTH header, the sound will become deafening but cool.

MINIAC · Dec 19th, 2005, 11:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Berthil

That's true, but JCW has a smaller pulley as opposed to the MTH1 kit (MTH3 has the smaller pulley, air filter,cams and cylinder head as JCW has and also gets to 250hp). The MTH software utilizes the pulley better than the JCW software I think.

The JCW kit doesn't include a cam change nor extensive modifications to the cylinder head.

The EssentiaMINI website lists a Tuner File which supposedly boosts the MCS JCW to 230hp and 250Nm. Horsepower exaggerations aside, there is no way adding a header to the mix is going to bump torque up to 280Nm

Berthil · Dec 19th, 2005, 11:39 PM

Our Mini club has a dyno day scheduled on 11th February, then I know for sure (can't wait)

There will be stock and JCW Mini's too, with and without MTH headers. The torque certainly almost feels like 280 Nm with my MTH header. I now pull up on my driveway with a slight up-slope just on clutch, no revving up necessary anymore. The numbers given are probably on the bright side, but I already had Digi-Tec with MTH tuner file and the header with optimized tuner file (version 7) gave a lot more power. The MTH header should not be underestimated.

And as the good post from Cooper_si stated, numbers are found by independant testing! Ofcourse Essential Mini has commercial interest in this but I can subscribe to the fact that the header brings a lot.

Rakey · Dec 20th, 2005, 01:15 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Aiden

I have to ask the big question - how much for the upgrade?

Quote: Originally Posted by Redun

i reckon it shud be called magic mth

not alot, but you'll like it

-vk- · Dec 20th, 2005, 06:55 AM

The Challenge JCW which was available in Germany is a standard JCW 210 (engine) but with lots of JCW extras such as seats, brakes etc., etc. This car is not one of our company demo cars and has been tested by MOTORS. If it would have been our car, it surely would have been fitted out with our own suspensiuon and brakes ;-).

We will have a normal S featured soon just with TF and header. We will see what the outcome is.

As for the new prices that Si mentioned. From January 1st 2006 we will have to charge 16% VAT on top of all prices for all customers living within the EU. The header will go up too because of higher material cost and VAT.

crazyaboutmini · Dec 20th, 2005, 07:40 AM

is this kit possibly coming to the US as well?

Dec 19th, 2005, 05:10 PM	#1
Cooper_si the DASH LIGHT king ? ;) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Nr Melton Mowbray Local Time: 09:19 PM Posts: 488 Offline	MINI extreme - MINI Cooper S Challenge MTH What is going on in a grown ups mind when they decide to invest £37,400 into a MINI? Maybe there is this Porsche killer instinct or the David beats Goliath syndrome. And it may well be this special feeling every time their little Brit is beating a Boxter off the traffic lights. Franz Hölzl from MTH can easily help those people. Even with a works tuned MINI Cooper S JCW (210 bhp) MTH finds more power. Over 30 bhp more to be exact. Just with the modified software and a special header (fullfils EU4 emission control) this little MINI mutates to a big player. 247 bhp making for a very quick ride. 0-100km/h is done within a mere 5.3 seconds. Above 2000 RPM, a shear inferno breaks loose which will come to a stop only within the deep red figures at over 7000 RPM´s. The supercharger howls like a bunch of angry hornets and the exhaust is adding a nice deep roar to that..... ....Being flat out on the highway you can only imagine how shocked people are, and what they think, when this little Cooper S will not disappear from the rear view mirror of those big luxury cars. BHP: 247 Torque: 280 NM at 3900 RPM 0-100 km/h: 5.3 sec Figures found from independant testing. MOTORS January 2006 ---------------------- The JCW Challenge was a limited edition available in Germany. Only 100 were made. Styling is standard, only the CF rear wing and a couple of interior items changed. Price of this car new was £28,500 fully loaded. So with the other extras it came to £37,400 (suspension, wheels, exhaust, rear modification etc.) German MTH Article <---click for magazine preview THE Legend who helps ALL MINI owners**

Dec 19th, 2005, 05:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
Blue_aerox MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2004 Local Time: 11:19 PM Posts: 84 Offline	5,3 seconds... wow man, thats impressive! Bring it on e39 m5's Proud owner of a new 2005 BRG Mini One Not to mention the 128BHP chiptuning

Dec 19th, 2005, 05:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 09:19 PM Posts: 50,029 Offline	so Si is this just MINI in the media or are you saying that you can offer this upgrade for JCW owners? The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Dec 19th, 2005, 05:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
Cooper_si the DASH LIGHT king ? ;) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Nr Melton Mowbray Local Time: 09:19 PM Posts: 488 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey so Si is this just MINI in the media or are you saying that you can offer this upgrade for JCW owners? I can offer both the remap and the manifold....no problem, to match the figures of the above car. Abit of insider info for MINI2, prices are due to rise for MTH files and Manifolds directly from MTH, but im trying to keep the prices the same for the UK market more to be revealed soon....... THE Legend who helps ALL MINI owners

Dec 19th, 2005, 05:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
Roofas Going Japanese..... My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Luton (pron: Loo'un) Local Time: 09:19 PM Posts: 732 Offline	are those recaro's available for the mini? Lies need defending all the time. The truth defends itself.

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Dec 19th, 2005, 05:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
Shorty MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Stourbridge Local Time: 09:19 PM Posts: 1,246 Online	This is how the lightweight GP should have turned out!

Dec 19th, 2005, 05:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
Brynster No guts, no glory! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Wiltshire Local Time: 09:19 PM Posts: 572 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Shorty This is how the lightweight GP should have turned out! But cheaper

Dec 19th, 2005, 05:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
Shorty MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Stourbridge Local Time: 09:19 PM Posts: 1,246 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by Brynster But cheaper Oh yeah

Dec 19th, 2005, 05:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
TallAndy Taller Than You! My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bolton Local Time: 10:19 PM Posts: 1,183 Offline	Looks awesome, love the seats! What the GP should have been?

Dec 19th, 2005, 08:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
RedUn MUGEN POWER Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: s2ki.com Local Time: 10:19 PM Posts: 11,504 Offline	i reckon it shud be called magic mth

Dec 19th, 2005, 08:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
AidenL Nice TTs......... Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: On The Coast........ Local Time: 09:19 PM Posts: 40,988 Offline	I have to ask the big question - how much for the upgrade? *Global Moderator*

Dec 19th, 2005, 08:49 PM	#12 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 01:19 PM Posts: 8,618 Online	The MTH website claims that the MTH Kit 1 (MTH sports manifold - fully stainless steel, special 400 cell catalyst converter. Includes a special version of the tuner software) gets 10hp more than the Tuner File on a standard Cooper S. Getting another 27hp from just tweaking the ECU doesn't seem plausible.

Dec 19th, 2005, 08:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
RedUn MUGEN POWER Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: s2ki.com Local Time: 10:19 PM Posts: 11,504 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINIAC The MTH website claims that the MTH Kit 1 (MTH sports manifold - fully stainless steel, special 400 cell catalyst converter. Includes a special version of the tuner software) gets 10hp more than the Tuner File on a standard Cooper S. Getting another 27hp from just tweaking the ECU doesn't seem plausible. glad it's not just me thinking that that car must have been at least 230 before the manifold and remap if u ask me

Dec 19th, 2005, 09:09 PM	#14 (permalink)
wibbly In my Classic Mk 1 :) Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 09:19 PM Posts: 6,433 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Cooper_si Abit of insider info for MINI2..... Is that just m2 info or have I read that elsewhere as well And on the attached pdf file is that a standard Works exhaust...? Doesn't look it to me, perhaps a few more horses coming from there \| MINIaddiction \| \| For MIDLANDS Folk in their MINI's \|

Dec 19th, 2005, 10:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
Berthil MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sittard (NL) Local Time: 10:19 PM Posts: 759 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by RedUn glad it's not just me thinking that That car must have been at least 230 before the manifold and remap if u ask me That's true, but JCW has a smaller pulley as opposed to the MTH1 kit (MTH3 has the smaller pulley, air filter,cams and cylinder head as JCW has and also gets to 250hp). The MTH software utilizes the pulley better than the JCW software I think. I already had Digi-Tec tuning and the here described MTH header and tuner file afterwards installed. The gain is amazing, I take roundabouts in 3rd gear and pull away from 1100 revs with 4 people in the car, it's like a diesel now Beware if you have a Milltek and take the MTH header, the sound will become deafening but cool. EB/W R53 MCS Highly Modified

Dec 19th, 2005, 11:05 PM	#16 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 01:19 PM Posts: 8,618 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by Berthil That's true, but JCW has a smaller pulley as opposed to the MTH1 kit (MTH3 has the smaller pulley, air filter,cams and cylinder head as JCW has and also gets to 250hp). The MTH software utilizes the pulley better than the JCW software I think. The JCW kit doesn't include a cam change nor extensive modifications to the cylinder head. The EssentiaMINI website lists a Tuner File which supposedly boosts the MCS JCW to 230hp and 250Nm. Horsepower exaggerations aside, there is no way adding a header to the mix is going to bump torque up to 280Nm

Dec 19th, 2005, 11:39 PM	#17 (permalink)
Berthil MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sittard (NL) Local Time: 10:19 PM Posts: 759 Offline	Our Mini club has a dyno day scheduled on 11th February, then I know for sure (can't wait) There will be stock and JCW Mini's too, with and without MTH headers. The torque certainly almost feels like 280 Nm with my MTH header. I now pull up on my driveway with a slight up-slope just on clutch, no revving up necessary anymore. The numbers given are probably on the bright side, but I already had Digi-Tec with MTH tuner file and the header with optimized tuner file (version 7) gave a lot more power. The MTH header should not be underestimated. And as the good post from Cooper_si stated, numbers are found by independant testing! Ofcourse Essential Mini has commercial interest in this but I can subscribe to the fact that the header brings a lot. Last edited by Berthil : Dec 20th, 2005 at 12:23 AM.

Dec 20th, 2005, 01:15 AM	#18 (permalink)
Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 09:19 PM Posts: 50,029 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Aiden I have to ask the big question - how much for the upgrade? Quote: Originally Posted by Redun i reckon it shud be called magic mth not alot, but you'll like it The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Dec 20th, 2005, 06:55 AM	#19 (permalink)
-vk- MINI2 Regular Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Germany Local Time: 10:19 PM Posts: 162 Offline	The Challenge JCW which was available in Germany is a standard JCW 210 (engine) but with lots of JCW extras such as seats, brakes etc., etc. This car is not one of our company demo cars and has been tested by MOTORS. If it would have been our car, it surely would have been fitted out with our own suspensiuon and brakes ;-). We will have a normal S featured soon just with TF and header. We will see what the outcome is. As for the new prices that Si mentioned. From January 1st 2006 we will have to charge 16% VAT on top of all prices for all customers living within the EU. The header will go up too because of higher material cost and VAT.

Dec 20th, 2005, 07:40 AM	#20 (permalink)
crazyaboutmini Motorer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: "Da Bay", CA Local Time: 02:19 PM Posts: 69 Offline	is this kit possibly coming to the US as well?

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