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neilgj · Dec 27th, 2005, 05:42 AM

I really like the look of the m7 OCC. I like it so much I would consider mounting it on the outside of the bonnet

In any event, I was curious what the value of an OCC is beyond its good looks. Does keeping oil out of the intercooler improve performance? gas mileage? something ? Thanks for your facts and opinions on this matter.

314fxh · Dec 27th, 2005, 12:51 PM

Hey at look at the GGT website, they have an explanation, basically, oil in the intercooler will reduce it's effectiveness for both flowing air and cooling it as well as oil being burnt in the combustion chambers will reduce the octane value of the fuel, reducing power. Well worth it for the money.

Ibb · Dec 27th, 2005, 01:47 PM

Hmm, that looks worth a peek, must say does look very nice

GTT 280 · Dec 27th, 2005, 01:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Ibb

Hmm, that looks worth a peek, must say does look very nice

Why did BMW not design this feature, afterall, they drove the vehicle 100,000+ miles, and in all those varying temperatures.

...and they failed to see that they needed an oil catch can?

makes me laugh this kind of thing.

So....is it really needed?

twig · Dec 27th, 2005, 02:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Cooper S Works

makes me laugh this kind of thing.

So....is it really needed?

If it were needed, BMW would have provided it.

Its just another part that aftermarket vendors can sell you.

Maybe it does "something" but clearly not enough to warrant attention by MINI. However, I am sure there are many aftermarket companies willing to take your money

twig · Dec 27th, 2005, 02:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 314fxh

Hey at look at the GGT website, they have an explanation, .

Where is MINI or BMWs explanation? Why dont they say you need one?

roland2003 · Dec 27th, 2005, 03:06 PM

If it catchs oil (as opposed to nothing or water vapour) it is of great value to most high performance cars. Oil passing through the intercooler reduces its efficiency (lower power ,more likely to pink detonate etc) , oil entering the combustion chambers reduces fuel octane ,so again more likely to pink detonate etc. Ultimatley under full load your less likely to blow up the engine with an OCC than without. GTT oil catch can uses low level entry/ high level exit, AND a baffle AND gauze in the ultimate bid to trap the oil. No other design for the Mini does. Plus you get a level dipstick,drainplug, mounting bracket & pipes. Made of mirror polished aluminium it looks pretty to boot.
Regards Roland

fred3 · Dec 27th, 2005, 03:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by chows4us

Where is MINI or BMWs explanation? Why dont they say you need one?

because it really won't do much for your car(like the poster above you stated. There's all kinds of after market things for sale and those that buy them will rarely ever say they wasted their money. Ergo: you rarely get an objective review.

fred3 · Dec 27th, 2005, 03:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by chows4us

Where is MINI or BMWs explanation? Why dont they say you need one?

because it really won't do much for your car(like the poster above you stated. There're all kinds of after market things for sale and those that buy them will rarely ever say they wasted their money. Ergo: you rarely get an objective review.

obehave · Dec 27th, 2005, 03:43 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by chows4us

If it were needed, BMW would have provided it.

Its just another part that aftermarket vendors can sell you.

Maybe it does "something" but clearly not enough to warrant attention by MINI. However, I am sure there are many aftermarket companies willing to take your money

Yea, just like those 225HP kits, big brake kits, lighter wheels, better tires, better struts, better seats, better safety harness. All that crap that BMW didn't provide because I'm quite sure it isn't needed. We all know auto manufacturers always have our best interest in mind.

And BMW would never just take your money.

Ibb · Dec 27th, 2005, 04:20 PM

Why buy a MINI at all?

pocketrocketowner · Dec 27th, 2005, 06:47 PM

Cuz its there, thats why........

miniboyblue · Dec 27th, 2005, 06:51 PM

When I was last at JC Garage and spoke to Mike Cooper he said that most car engines are ran at roughly 60% of their potential, this is why the manafactures are able to offer the warranties they do, knowing that the mechanics within the car are not under undue stress therefore unlikely to fail !!!!!!!

Therefore loads of potential for us to play with

Ibb · Dec 27th, 2005, 06:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by pocketrocketowner

Cuz its there, thats why........

I think thats the answer to most things eh guys?

s_and_m · Dec 27th, 2005, 10:29 PM

I want one.

It's next on my list of mods to be fitted.

I'm thinking a nice set of coil overs and a catch can should see the SuperBee set up for the coming track day season

S

twig · Dec 28th, 2005, 01:51 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003

If it catchs oil (as opposed to nothing or water vapour) it is of great value to most high performance cars

What "emperical" data do you have to prove that?

Do you have dyno plots to show what a few ounces of oil in the stock IC will do in effecting WHEEL HP?

obehave · Dec 28th, 2005, 02:38 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by chows4us

What "emperical" data do you have to prove that?

Do you have dyno plots to show what a few ounces of oil in the stock IC will do in effecting WHEEL HP?

Did anybody say it was worth 10HP. Any less than that would be dismissed as statistical variance. Heck even that much around here will get argued til the end of time.

It's evident from the intent of your posts that nothing will convince you that the OCC is an effective device.
Even if it makes no HP to measure I do know mine does trap oil. I know I don't want this oil in my IC or in my intake path at all. To me and others this is worth while.

If you don't think so fine but since all you have is your opinion that it does nothing you really have nothing of value to add to the discussion. If you can prove it does nothing of value then do so. If not then please quit playing the bully. Or at least go posture over on NAM. It's much more popular there.

GTT 280 · Dec 28th, 2005, 08:32 AM

So...

The only reason I can think of as to why BMW did not include a OCC is becuase they only run at around 200BHP.

If you mod your car to say 260bhp, then it is more likely that oil will migrate to parts it shouldn't, hence the need for an OCC.

So as standard, not required. But for highly modded cars (i.e. more than JCW) then it is needed.

AGREE ?

Ibb · Dec 28th, 2005, 12:10 PM

Agreed

twig · Dec 28th, 2005, 02:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by obehave

It's evident from the intent of your posts that nothing will convince you that the OCC is an effective device.

If you don't think so fine but since all you have is your opinion that it does nothing you really have nothing of value to add to the discussion. .

Cooper S works answer made some sense,
Your doesnt ... sorry

Dec 27th, 2005, 05:42 AM	#1
neilgj MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Local Time: 01:23 PM Posts: 58 Offline	Oil Catch Can - Valuable or Valueless? I really like the look of the m7 OCC. I like it so much I would consider mounting it on the outside of the bonnet In any event, I was curious what the value of an OCC is beyond its good looks. Does keeping oil out of the intercooler improve performance? gas mileage? something ? Thanks for your facts and opinions on this matter.

Dec 27th, 2005, 01:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 09:23 PM Posts: 2,348 Offline	Oil Catch can Quote: Originally Posted by Ibb Hmm, that looks worth a peek, must say does look very nice Why did BMW not design this feature, afterall, they drove the vehicle 100,000+ miles, and in all those varying temperatures. ...and they failed to see that they needed an oil catch can? makes me laugh this kind of thing. So....is it really needed? Too many mods to list, PM me if the cat needs killing...

Dec 27th, 2005, 03:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 09:23 PM Posts: 2,731 Offline	If it catchs oil (as opposed to nothing or water vapour) it is of great value to most high performance cars. Oil passing through the intercooler reduces its efficiency (lower power ,more likely to pink detonate etc) , oil entering the combustion chambers reduces fuel octane ,so again more likely to pink detonate etc. Ultimatley under full load your less likely to blow up the engine with an OCC than without. GTT oil catch can uses low level entry/ high level exit, AND a baffle AND gauze in the ultimate bid to trap the oil. No other design for the Mini does. Plus you get a level dipstick,drainplug, mounting bracket & pipes. Made of mirror polished aluminium it looks pretty to boot. Regards Roland www.gttuning.com

Dec 27th, 2005, 03:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
fred3 Mini in Maine Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Maine Local Time: 05:23 PM Posts: 556 Offline	Likely... Quote: Originally Posted by chows4us Where is MINI or BMWs explanation? Why dont they say you need one? because it really won't do much for your car(like the poster above you stated. There's all kinds of after market things for sale and those that buy them will rarely ever say they wasted their money. Ergo: you rarely get an objective review.

Dec 27th, 2005, 03:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
fred3 Mini in Maine Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Maine Local Time: 05:23 PM Posts: 556 Offline	Likely... Quote: Originally Posted by chows4us Where is MINI or BMWs explanation? Why dont they say you need one? because it really won't do much for your car(like the poster above you stated. There're all kinds of after market things for sale and those that buy them will rarely ever say they wasted their money. Ergo: you rarely get an objective review.

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Dec 27th, 2005, 12:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
314fxh MINI2 Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Southampton Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 59 Offline	Hey at look at the GGT website, they have an explanation, basically, oil in the intercooler will reduce it's effectiveness for both flowing air and cooling it as well as oil being burnt in the combustion chambers will reduce the octane value of the fuel, reducing power. Well worth it for the money.

Dec 27th, 2005, 01:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ibb MINI2 Master BLASTER!!!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bristol Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 1,618 Offline	Hmm, that looks worth a peek, must say does look very nice

Dec 27th, 2005, 02:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
twig MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Local Time: 05:23 PM Posts: 183 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Cooper S Works makes me laugh this kind of thing. So....is it really needed? If it were needed, BMW would have provided it. Its just another part that aftermarket vendors can sell you. Maybe it does "something" but clearly not enough to warrant attention by MINI. However, I am sure there are many aftermarket companies willing to take your money

Dec 27th, 2005, 02:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
twig MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Local Time: 05:23 PM Posts: 183 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by 314fxh Hey at look at the GGT website, they have an explanation, . Where is MINI or BMWs explanation? Why dont they say you need one?

Dec 27th, 2005, 03:43 PM	#10 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 04:23 PM Posts: 9,315 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by chows4us If it were needed, BMW would have provided it. Its just another part that aftermarket vendors can sell you. Maybe it does "something" but clearly not enough to warrant attention by MINI. However, I am sure there are many aftermarket companies willing to take your money Yea, just like those 225HP kits, big brake kits, lighter wheels, better tires, better struts, better seats, better safety harness. All that crap that BMW didn't provide because I'm quite sure it isn't needed. We all know auto manufacturers always have our best interest in mind. And BMW would never just take your money.

Dec 27th, 2005, 04:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ibb MINI2 Master BLASTER!!!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bristol Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 1,618 Offline	Why buy a MINI at all?

Dec 27th, 2005, 06:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
pocketrocketowner Best Personal Regards Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ile de Vaux, France Local Time: 11:23 PM Posts: 2,023 Offline	Cuz its there, thats why........

Dec 27th, 2005, 06:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
miniboyblue GTT........See Yah Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Radlett,Herts Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 427 Offline	When I was last at JC Garage and spoke to Mike Cooper he said that most car engines are ran at roughly 60% of their potential, this is why the manafactures are able to offer the warranties they do, knowing that the mechanics within the car are not under undue stress therefore unlikely to fail !!!!!!! Therefore loads of potential for us to play with

Dec 27th, 2005, 06:53 PM	#14 (permalink)
Ibb MINI2 Master BLASTER!!!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bristol Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 1,618 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by pocketrocketowner Cuz its there, thats why........ I think thats the answer to most things eh guys?

Dec 27th, 2005, 10:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
s_and_m 220 of your finest horses Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 6800 rpm Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 3,015 Offline	All I know is I want one. It's next on my list of mods to be fitted. I'm thinking a nice set of coil overs and a catch can should see the SuperBee set up for the coming track day season S

Dec 28th, 2005, 01:51 AM	#16 (permalink)
twig MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Local Time: 05:23 PM Posts: 183 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003 If it catchs oil (as opposed to nothing or water vapour) it is of great value to most high performance cars What "emperical" data do you have to prove that? Do you have dyno plots to show what a few ounces of oil in the stock IC will do in effecting WHEEL HP?

Dec 28th, 2005, 02:38 AM	#17 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 04:23 PM Posts: 9,315 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by chows4us What "emperical" data do you have to prove that? Do you have dyno plots to show what a few ounces of oil in the stock IC will do in effecting WHEEL HP? Did anybody say it was worth 10HP. Any less than that would be dismissed as statistical variance. Heck even that much around here will get argued til the end of time. It's evident from the intent of your posts that nothing will convince you that the OCC is an effective device. Even if it makes no HP to measure I do know mine does trap oil. I know I don't want this oil in my IC or in my intake path at all. To me and others this is worth while. If you don't think so fine but since all you have is your opinion that it does nothing you really have nothing of value to add to the discussion. If you can prove it does nothing of value then do so. If not then please quit playing the bully. Or at least go posture over on NAM. It's much more popular there.

Dec 28th, 2005, 08:32 AM	#18 (permalink)
GTT 280 The Power Cube My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2002 Local Time: 09:23 PM Posts: 2,348 Offline	Conclusion... So... The only reason I can think of as to why BMW did not include a OCC is becuase they only run at around 200BHP. If you mod your car to say 260bhp, then it is more likely that oil will migrate to parts it shouldn't, hence the need for an OCC. So as standard, not required. But for highly modded cars (i.e. more than JCW) then it is needed. AGREE ? Too many mods to list, PM me if the cat needs killing...

Dec 28th, 2005, 12:10 PM	#19 (permalink)
Ibb MINI2 Master BLASTER!!!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bristol Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 1,618 Offline	Agreed

Dec 28th, 2005, 02:34 PM	#20 (permalink)
twig MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Local Time: 05:23 PM Posts: 183 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by obehave It's evident from the intent of your posts that nothing will convince you that the OCC is an effective device. If you don't think so fine but since all you have is your opinion that it does nothing you really have nothing of value to add to the discussion. . Cooper S works answer made some sense, Your doesnt ... sorry Last edited by twig : Dec 28th, 2005 at 03:43 PM.

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