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aharte · Jan 7th, 2006, 02:08 AM

I'm on my 2nd JCW 210 now, first a 2003 now a 2005, the latter of which seems more responsive down the bottom end and to be honest quicker, but I would say that wouldn't I!

Has anyone with a 2005 210 had the JCW mainfold fitted or any other make manifold and does it make much difference in power? I should it imagine it sounds a bit more gutsy, as it probably improves the breathing. I know the race series JCW use the manifold and if I'm right one of the salemen at JCG has a 210 with just a manifold change that is supposed to produce about 225 but is that really noticable on every day roads?

St00ge · Jan 7th, 2006, 02:44 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by aharte

I'm on my 2nd JCW 210 now, first a 2003 now a 2005, the latter of which seems more responsive down the bottom end and to be honest quicker, but I would say that wouldn't I!

Has anyone with a 2005 210 had the JCW mainfold fitted or any other make manifold and does it make much difference in power? I should it imagine it sounds a bit more gutsy, as it probably improves the breathing. I know the race series JCW use the manifold and if I'm right one of the salemen at JCG has a 210 with just a manifold change that is supposed to produce about 225 but is that really noticable on every day roads?

of all the JCW mods that i'd get, the manifold would be the highest. I've heard good things about it. How much does it cost in the UK? (we can't get it here,

, have to get it shipped)

LMB · Jan 7th, 2006, 02:51 AM

I've been told the Miltek is the one to get. It is meant to be better built as well as cheaper.

obehave · Jan 7th, 2006, 03:40 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by LMB

I've been told the Miltek is the one to get. It is meant to be better built as well as cheaper.

Yep

TBH though I haven't seen a single dyno map that did more than 5-6HP. Most of that over 4500 RPMs.

I own an '02 MCS with 210 or so HP. The newer MCS pulls just as hard early. The new lower gearing makes a nice difference.

minipaul · Jan 7th, 2006, 07:39 AM

where can i get a jcw manifold and how much

LMB · Jan 7th, 2006, 07:42 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by minipaul

where can i get a jcw manifold and how much

From JCG.

I think if you got to their website it is in their motorsport section.

It's not BMW approved like the JCW kit mind and it ain't cheap either.

minipaul · Jan 7th, 2006, 07:55 AM

JCG ? whats the web address

LMB · Jan 7th, 2006, 08:00 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by minipaul

JCG ? whats the web address

John Cooper Garages.

http://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCoop...ookie%5Ftest=1

minipaul · Jan 7th, 2006, 08:21 AM

sorry not long up, is it possible to get one as i thought they would only sell to challenge members

http://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCoop...ookie%5Ftest=1[/quote]

LMB · Jan 7th, 2006, 08:51 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by minipaul

sorry not long up, is it possible to get one as i thought they would only sell to challenge members

http://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCoop...ookie%5Ftest=1

[/quote]
People on this site have bought them for their S, so it would seem anyone with the cash can buy one.

But I have been told from a reliable source who compared the two that the Milltek was better built. It is also much cheaper.

http://www.millteksport.com/media.file.cfm?fileid=118

wibbly · Jan 7th, 2006, 08:59 AM

I have a Milltek on my Works car (an 03) Lovely build quality, lovely sound

No good if you want to put a tuning map on the car such as MTH as the two aren't compatible for some reason.....

And, I wouldn't expect huge horsepower gains either, I can't say it made any discernible difference to mine other than made it sound the way a JCW should sound....

In fact at a Rolling Road we went to last year, my '210' got nowhere near 210, and that was with the manifold allegedly adding 4-6hp.... Then again, non of the Works cars did manage over 200

So dont think about figures, think about sound quality, think about quality...

minipaul · Jan 7th, 2006, 09:03 AM

Can you point me in the rite direction to get a jcw one

But I have been told from a reliable source who compared the two that the Milltek was better built. It is also much cheaper.

http://www.millteksport.com/media.file.cfm?fileid=118[/quote]

wibbly · Jan 7th, 2006, 09:12 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by minipaul

Can you point me in the rite direction to get a jcw one

But I have been told from a reliable source who compared the two that the Milltek was better built. It is also much cheaper.

http://www.millteksport.com/media.file.cfm?fileid=118

From memory the manifold has never been listed on the JCW site...

I spoke to JCW about it when they installed my 10hp upgrade, and it was over a grand then about 12 months ago

Sounds very meaty, but very expensive, seeing as there is no warranty included.. give JCW a call and speak to them about it....

LMB · Jan 7th, 2006, 09:12 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by minipaul

Can you point me in the rite direction to get a jcw one

But I have been told from a reliable source who compared the two that the Milltek was better built. It is also much cheaper.

http://www.millteksport.com/media.file.cfm?fileid=118

[/quote]
http://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCoop...ct/contact.asp

Contact them.

They'll tell you all you want to know.

minipaul · Jan 7th, 2006, 09:17 AM

Every time you email/phone them they tell you they can not sell these items as i am not a challenge member

ouhttp://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCoop...ct/contact.asp

Contact them.

They'll tell you all you want to know.[/quote]

LMB · Jan 7th, 2006, 09:27 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by minipaul

Every time you email/phone them they tell you they can not sell these items as i am not a challenge member

ouhttp://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCoop...ct/contact.asp

Contact them.

They'll tell you all you want to know.

[/quote]
Don't know what to suggest then.

I know people on this site have bought one. Maybe try doing a search and contacting them?

minipaul · Jan 7th, 2006, 09:31 AM

cheers, thanks for all the info

Don't know what to suggest then.

I know people on this site have bought one. Maybe try doing a search

and contacting them?[/quote]

Roofas · Jan 7th, 2006, 09:40 AM

This is like groundhog day!!!!!!!!!

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Shorty · Jan 7th, 2006, 10:03 AM

If I were you, I'd go the Milltek route.
After hearing the great man Wibbly's Works, it's the way to go!

TallAndy · Jan 7th, 2006, 04:14 PM

I have an 05 JCW210, I got my upgraded at JCG and they did offer me the Motorsport Manifold but i was going to cost something insane like £1000.00

I just bought the GTT Manifold hopefully will be ariving on monday, I think at the most it should give me another 8BHP but a also a better exhaust sound and freeer reving, also quicker topend.

Will let you know how it fairs.

Jan 7th, 2006, 02:08 AM	#1
aharte MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2003 Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 47 Offline	JCW manifold or any manifold? I'm on my 2nd JCW 210 now, first a 2003 now a 2005, the latter of which seems more responsive down the bottom end and to be honest quicker, but I would say that wouldn't I! Has anyone with a 2005 210 had the JCW mainfold fitted or any other make manifold and does it make much difference in power? I should it imagine it sounds a bit more gutsy, as it probably improves the breathing. I know the race series JCW use the manifold and if I'm right one of the salemen at JCG has a 210 with just a manifold change that is supposed to produce about 225 but is that really noticable on every day roads?

Jan 7th, 2006, 02:51 AM	#3 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 09:23 PM Posts: 23,727 Offline	I've been told the Miltek is the one to get. It is meant to be better built as well as cheaper. Global Moderator

Jan 7th, 2006, 07:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
minipaul MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: aberdeen, portlethen Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 186 Offline	jcw manifold where can i get a jcw manifold and how much

Jan 7th, 2006, 07:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 09:23 PM Posts: 23,727 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minipaul where can i get a jcw manifold and how much From JCG. I think if you got to their website it is in their motorsport section. It's not BMW approved like the JCW kit mind and it ain't cheap either. Global Moderator

Jan 7th, 2006, 07:55 AM	#7 (permalink)
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Jan 7th, 2006, 02:44 AM	#2 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:23 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by aharte I'm on my 2nd JCW 210 now, first a 2003 now a 2005, the latter of which seems more responsive down the bottom end and to be honest quicker, but I would say that wouldn't I! Has anyone with a 2005 210 had the JCW mainfold fitted or any other make manifold and does it make much difference in power? I should it imagine it sounds a bit more gutsy, as it probably improves the breathing. I know the race series JCW use the manifold and if I'm right one of the salemen at JCG has a 210 with just a manifold change that is supposed to produce about 225 but is that really noticable on every day roads? of all the JCW mods that i'd get, the manifold would be the highest. I've heard good things about it. How much does it cost in the UK? (we can't get it here, , have to get it shipped)

Jan 7th, 2006, 03:40 AM	#4 (permalink)
obehave Mini Mod Join Date: Sep 2002 Local Time: 04:23 PM Posts: 9,315 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by LMB I've been told the Miltek is the one to get. It is meant to be better built as well as cheaper. Yep TBH though I haven't seen a single dyno map that did more than 5-6HP. Most of that over 4500 RPMs. I own an '02 MCS with 210 or so HP. The newer MCS pulls just as hard early. The new lower gearing makes a nice difference.

Jan 7th, 2006, 08:00 AM	#8 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 09:23 PM Posts: 23,727 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minipaul JCG ? whats the web address John Cooper Garages. http://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCoop...ookie%5Ftest=1 Global Moderator

Jan 7th, 2006, 08:21 AM	#9 (permalink)
minipaul MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: aberdeen, portlethen Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 186 Offline	sorry not long up, is it possible to get one as i thought they would only sell to challenge members http://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCoop...ookie%5Ftest=1[/quote]

Jan 7th, 2006, 08:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 09:23 PM Posts: 23,727 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minipaul sorry not long up, is it possible to get one as i thought they would only sell to challenge members http://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCoop...ookie%5Ftest=1 [/quote] People on this site have bought them for their S, so it would seem anyone with the cash can buy one. But I have been told from a reliable source who compared the two that the Milltek was better built. It is also much cheaper. http://www.millteksport.com/media.file.cfm?fileid=118 Global Moderator

Jan 7th, 2006, 08:59 AM	#11 (permalink)
wibbly In my Classic Mk 1 :) Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 09:23 PM Posts: 6,433 Offline	I have a Milltek on my Works car (an 03) Lovely build quality, lovely sound No good if you want to put a tuning map on the car such as MTH as the two aren't compatible for some reason..... And, I wouldn't expect huge horsepower gains either, I can't say it made any discernible difference to mine other than made it sound the way a JCW should sound.... In fact at a Rolling Road we went to last year, my '210' got nowhere near 210, and that was with the manifold allegedly adding 4-6hp.... Then again, non of the Works cars did manage over 200 So dont think about figures, think about sound quality, think about quality... \| MINIaddiction \| \| For MIDLANDS Folk in their MINI's \|

Jan 7th, 2006, 09:03 AM	#12 (permalink)
minipaul MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: aberdeen, portlethen Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 186 Offline	Jcw Manifold Can you point me in the rite direction to get a jcw one But I have been told from a reliable source who compared the two that the Milltek was better built. It is also much cheaper. http://www.millteksport.com/media.file.cfm?fileid=118[/quote]

Jan 7th, 2006, 09:12 AM	#13 (permalink)
wibbly In my Classic Mk 1 :) Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 09:23 PM Posts: 6,433 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minipaul Can you point me in the rite direction to get a jcw one But I have been told from a reliable source who compared the two that the Milltek was better built. It is also much cheaper. http://www.millteksport.com/media.file.cfm?fileid=118 From memory the manifold has never been listed on the JCW site... I spoke to JCW about it when they installed my 10hp upgrade, and it was over a grand then about 12 months ago Sounds very meaty, but very expensive, seeing as there is no warranty included.. give JCW a call and speak to them about it.... \| MINIaddiction \| \| For MIDLANDS Folk in their MINI's \|

Jan 7th, 2006, 09:12 AM	#14 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 09:23 PM Posts: 23,727 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minipaul Can you point me in the rite direction to get a jcw one But I have been told from a reliable source who compared the two that the Milltek was better built. It is also much cheaper. http://www.millteksport.com/media.file.cfm?fileid=118 [/quote] http://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCoop...ct/contact.asp Contact them. They'll tell you all you want to know. Global Moderator

Jan 7th, 2006, 09:17 AM	#15 (permalink)
minipaul MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: aberdeen, portlethen Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 186 Offline	jcw manifold Every time you email/phone them they tell you they can not sell these items as i am not a challenge member ouhttp://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCoop...ct/contact.asp Contact them. They'll tell you all you want to know.[/quote]

Jan 7th, 2006, 09:27 AM	#16 (permalink)
LMB Toon Toon.. <div><a href= Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Up North Local Time: 09:23 PM Posts: 23,727 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by minipaul Every time you email/phone them they tell you they can not sell these items as i am not a challenge member ouhttp://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCoop...ct/contact.asp Contact them. They'll tell you all you want to know. [/quote] Don't know what to suggest then. I know people on this site have bought one. Maybe try doing a search and contacting them? Global Moderator

Jan 7th, 2006, 09:31 AM	#17 (permalink)
minipaul MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: aberdeen, portlethen Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 186 Offline	jcw manifold cheers, thanks for all the info Don't know what to suggest then. I know people on this site have bought one. Maybe try doing a search and contacting them?[/quote]

Jan 7th, 2006, 09:40 AM	#18 (permalink)
Roofas Going Japanese..... My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Luton (pron: Loo'un) Local Time: 09:23 PM Posts: 732 Offline	This is like groundhog day!!!!!!!!! quote/ quote/ quote/ Lies need defending all the time. The truth defends itself.

Jan 7th, 2006, 10:03 AM	#19 (permalink)
Shorty MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Stourbridge Local Time: 09:23 PM Posts: 1,246 Online	If I were you, I'd go the Milltek route. After hearing the great man Wibbly's Works, it's the way to go!

Jan 7th, 2006, 04:14 PM	#20 (permalink)
TallAndy Taller Than You! My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bolton Local Time: 10:23 PM Posts: 1,183 Offline	I have an 05 JCW210, I got my upgraded at JCG and they did offer me the Motorsport Manifold but i was going to cost something insane like £1000.00 I just bought the GTT Manifold hopefully will be ariving on monday, I think at the most it should give me another 8BHP but a also a better exhaust sound and freeer reving, also quicker topend. Will let you know how it fairs.

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