[CWaldie]

Hey,

Ive seen these 2 turbo kits:

http://www.turbo-kits.com/mini_turbo_kits.html
http://www.autofashion.co.uk/turbo_conversion.htm

The autofashion one looks better (by the fact its not discontinued!)...

Im very interested in having one of these fitted to my cooper and would like to know if anyone on here already has one? or heard anything bad about them?


Thanks

[Taffcd]

300 BHP on a Cooper S. DSC would never be off. Turn it off = ouch!

[CWaldie]

Im talking just on a cooper here, no S in sight!

And i don't have DSC Im not into all this gadgetry interrupting my crippling slides

[Root Ginger]

I would say you are going to run into problems with reliability putting these conversions on a Cooper.

I have a Cooper Works. It was rolling roaded at 140BHP (book figure is 132BHP). Required a new gearbox after 3 years simply due to the power. It was only on the track once!

There's no way the gearbox will handle 170 or 200BHP. By the time you've added the turbo, uprated the engine and gearbox to handle the power you might as well have got an S.

[CWaldie]

Maybe i guess with the gearbox, i don't like the sound of the S's which is why i went for the cooper, it sounds like its got more grunt! Im a little dissapointed that I would face a problem with not a massive amount more BHP. I guess the option would be to put the S gearbox in the cooper?

Oh well, I guess i will just have to settle with a MTH remap. My gearbox makes a squelchy noise when you put it into first and 3rd when its cold now anyway, but i doubt thats a problem.

[CWaldie]

Quote:

I have a Cooper Works. It was rolling roaded at 140BHP (book figure is 132BHP).

I spoke with BMW the other day, they said I can have the works kit fitted but it only gave about 125bhp, what else do you have??

[BlackFerret]

if your cooper is an 05 they can only fit the soundkit maybe thats what he was on about?

[Richard Crofts]

Works Cooper is defo listed as above 130 BHP, in fact I'm sure its 140-145BHP...but can't be sure. I was looking at one for my cooper but just decided that for the conversion money I could buy and S...So I did!

Your garage is talking rubbish that its 125 BHP from the full conversion! Thats only 10 BHP from a conversion costing over £2000....An AMD/Other remap alone can put the Cooper to 130 BHP! and thats only £200-300! The JCW includes upgrading airbox, exhaust and other parts! (usually a total of 10 or more BHP available from changes to both induction and exhaust)...therefore 140-45 bhp

Go on the JCW website and check out the stats there, sounds like your guys know jack!

[Richard Crofts]

I don't think it can be the sound kit...that supposedly gives negligable, if any, performance increase...it does what it says on the tin (sound kit). I don't think they could even get the 10 HP from it to get the Cooper to 125. I don't know for sure but it may be that they were advicing what performance you would get from fitting limited JCW parts not the full kit...can't think of any other way to get the 125?!

I'd try a bluefin or AMD one click map...you can remove it for servicing then...expect around 130BHP from thier maps alone. Couple that to a decent aftermarket intake and exhaust and you'll be up around the 140 I guess. See the Lohen.co.uk website for ideas and conversions...their prices seem pretty good and they are very very helpful (I am going to use them for my purchase and fitting on my S)

Just had a check on JCW site...they have not got the Cooper conversion on there anymore...Only the sound kit, theres no power spec stuff on the site for it either (not a good sign that it does much for power!)

I think you should pass on that as its expensive and it looks like you'll get nothing from it but looks and noise! Ypour choice though as it does hold a warrenty...Swings and roundabouts!

R

[Richard Crofts]

I'd try a bluefin or AMD one click map...you can remove it for servicing then...expect around 130BHP from thier maps alone. Couple that to a decent aftermarket intake and exhaust and you'll be up around the 140 I guess. See the Lohen.co.uk website for ideas and conversions...their prices seem pretty good and they are very very helpful (I am going to use them for my purchase and fitting on my S.

R

R

[CWaldie]

hey, 2001 cooper..

I actually spoke to a guy at the john cooper works company, he said it only gave about 10 extra.. which is very poor for over 2k, as you say just a remap will get at least an extra 30.

I guess i would probably end up getting that as it seems this turbo will kill my car a bit quicker than the works kit.

Im was looking at getting the MTH manifold and remap. So many options and no real proof of what it will do to my car!!! GTT for 5k will apparently make it faster than a cooper s.

I even clarified with the JCW guy on the phone, its a replacement cylinder head, exhaust few other bits and a remap. I asked if 125 was the best they could do and he said yes. I thought the racing coopers with the JCW packages on were quicker than that. I will call lohen, ive been checking out their site for a while now.

Thanks

[Black Works]

The proper Works kit for the Cooper takes it to 132BHP, but then this is still subject to build tolerances. The sound kit adds about 3BHP as it does have the better airfilter panel and back box.

Not had my mini on the rollers yet, but I have the Works cone filter added to my 'Proper' Works kit...........does go well Someone did tell me there was a difference in the back boxes fitted, some early ones (like mine) had the same back box as the JCC cars, later ones were different somehow?!?!?!?

[CWaldie]

Quote: Originally Posted by Black Works

The proper Works kit for the Cooper takes it to 132BHP, but then this is still subject to build tolerances. The sound kit adds about 3BHP as it does have the better airfilter panel and back box.

Not had my mini on the rollers yet, but I have the Works cone filter added to my 'Proper' Works kit...........does go well Someone did tell me there was a difference in the back boxes fitted, some early ones (like mine) had the same back box as the JCC cars, later ones were different somehow?!?!?!?

Wonder why they said only 125bhp then, i already have a CAI on the car. Seems very odd!!

You say about the bluefin, does this up the redline at all? I like to travel right up to it as it sounds awesome!

Sooo you would recommend the works kit?

[Root Ginger]

OK, ok.

Enough with the BS and hearsay.

This is the truth about the JCW Cooper. I own the first customer car so know a lot about them.

The original JCW Cooper conversion was 132BHP, this is what I have. It was never warrantied by BMW. The approved conversion was 122BHP. It didn't have the motorsport exhaust like the JCC cars and the original Works and I expect there are other differences in the remap, although I never got to the bottom of what they were.

AFAIK neither of these are offered anymore although I guess JCW could still do them as the parts are still available.

There is now the sound kit. It is exactly that, to improve the sound of your car so only gives a couple of BHP.

I have yet to see anyone beat the original conversion for power without forced induction. A remap will NOT get you 30BHP, if an exhaust, induction kit, ported & polished head and a remap from JCW only gives 25BHP when I had mine rolling roaded. Think logically.

[MarkW19]

Just a bit concerned by the gearbox going on one of you guys' Coopers!!

I'm getting the MTH Tuner remap on my Coop next week, and also have a K&N Typhoon, so this will bring me to 135bhp+.

Then, after my warranty expires soon I'm going down to Lohen to get a new 58mm throttle body and Schrick camshaft, further increasing the BHP by another 15-20bhp (taking my car to 150bhp+).

Are you saying that I'll probably have problems by tuning my car up to 150bhp+? What sort of things on the car are likely to damage/go, and is it a big cost to replace them??

[CWaldie]

Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger

OK, ok.

Enough with the BS and hearsay.

This is the truth about the JCW Cooper. I own the first customer car so know a lot about them.

The original JCW Cooper conversion was 132BHP, this is what I have. It was never warrantied by BMW. The approved conversion was 122BHP. It didn't have the motorsport exhaust like the JCC cars and the original Works and I expect there are other differences in the remap, although I never got to the bottom of what they were.

AFAIK neither of these are offered anymore although I guess JCW could still do them as the parts are still available.

There is now the sound kit. It is exactly that, to improve the sound of your car so only gives a couple of BHP.

I have yet to see anyone beat the original conversion for power without forced induction. A remap will NOT get you 30BHP, if an exhaust, induction kit, ported & polished head and a remap from JCW only gives 25BHP when I had mine rolling roaded. Think logically.

Thanks for that, yeah they will do the 122bhp conversion still for pre 2004 minis, i'd be suprised if they refused to do the original works conversion. I guess what could be done is to get the head and remap done and add seperatly the racing exhaust and manifold.. I would hope that would level with/increase on the original works kit.

Thanks for all this info, maybe i won't go for the MTH and save up for the works.

[CWaldie]

but the turbo still offers the best bang for you buck!

[Billy Smart]

Quote: Originally Posted by CWaldie

but the turbo still offers the best bang

You got it in one...cos that is what will happen to the cooper engine..

We have a lot of great people on M2 who are more than happy to help others especially 'Newbies', if you want to go down the turbo route just to find out what will happen then please feel free.

As for me, well i would take the advice from the people who have seen and heard of these things.

M2 is a fantastic website which can help you with every aspect of Mini ownership as well as other great stuff. I do hope you enjoy the website, and more so your Mini ownership, we just want to keep it that way..

Please do not take offence, we are just trying to help.

Billy

[MINIAC]

Quote: Originally Posted by CWaldie

The autofashion one looks better (by the fact its not discontinued!)...

From the Autofashion site:

Quote:

We first Turbocharged the MINI in Jan 2002 and are happy that the conversions are reliable having run them on our own cars during this time.

If this "reliable" kit has been around for 4 years, how come nobody has reported running it

Quote: Originally Posted by CWaldie

but the turbo still offers the best bang for you buck!

The only bang will be the one from the engine whose internals aren't "beefed up" enough to handle a turbo

[Carlos.]

Quote: Originally Posted by Billy Smart

You got it in one...cos that is what will happen to the cooper engine..

We have a lot of great people on M2 who are more than happy to help others especially 'Newbies', if you want to go down the turbo route just to find out what will happen then please feel free.

As for me, well i would take the advice from the people who have seen and heard of these things.

M2 is a fantastic website which can help you with every aspect of Mini ownership as well as other great stuff. I do hope you enjoy the website, and more so your Mini ownership, we just want to keep it that way..

Please do not take offence, we are just trying to help.

Billy

What he said.

300 bhp is gonna kill yer box, be it midlands or getrag. I should know..Im on my third box.


Dont ask a question, if yer gonna argue with the answer if you dont like it, man