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R0B C00PER · Feb 17th, 2006, 06:08 PM

Evening Everyone!

I currently have a 51 plate Cooper with the John Cooper Sound Kit added, and although I love the sound it makes I am disappointed with the performance gain of 3bhp. Due to this I am now considering a remap and have looked at various options from GT Tuning and Lohen and would appreciate some advice on which one to choose and if there are any other options I should consider?

Thanks in advance!

Shabz · Feb 17th, 2006, 06:18 PM

I got my One mapped by XS Performance XS Performance. Totally transformed the car. Have had no problems and even get more than 250 miles out of a tank full.

Wolfman · Feb 17th, 2006, 07:36 PM

Emaps do Generic remaps which arent specific to your car or the modifcations youve had done. These are far from ideal if you have added an exhaust or done induction modifications.

If youve changed your cams then this is a total and utter waste of money.

A real remap is a LIVE one which is done whilst your cars fuelling and ignition are optimised on a set of rollers or possibly on the road (this is much harder).

If your going to spend money on a remap make sure its a live remap where your car is hooked up to instruments which can read Lamda and emmissions whilst the fuelling and ignition are changed.

MarkW19 · Feb 17th, 2006, 07:39 PM

M T H

MINI-Morgan · Feb 17th, 2006, 11:33 PM

MTH all the way

hyperbluejames · Feb 18th, 2006, 12:10 AM

hi guys how much more can you expect to squeeze out of a cooper with a remap?

thanks

hbjames

MarkW19 · Feb 18th, 2006, 12:14 AM

With the MTH Tuner remap, up to 135bhp (depending on fuel used etc.)

It's well respected on here, no reason to get anything else!

http://www.mini2.com/forum/engine-drivetrain-tuning/109557-mth-tuner-remap.html

hyperbluejames · Feb 18th, 2006, 12:41 AM

cheers markw19. im considering it, but the only thing is i don't know how much difference 20hp makes (i've only had a 1.4Golf so far in life!), nor how much the insurance would go up. wil have to check it up

hbjames

MarkW19 · Feb 18th, 2006, 01:07 AM

It's not all about BHP.

If you've read my thread, you'll see that the overall driveability of the car improves. It's smoother, throttle is more responsive, it's "easier" to drive as you don't need to change down as much, and it pulls much better in all gears. And you can feel the extra bhp in the acceleration. Also, it's meant to improve fuel consumption (if you drive like you did before, which you won't - you'll want to get your foot down more!!), not least because you can be in a higher gear a lot more of the time. I noticed the difference in my Cooper straight away

MarkW19 · Feb 18th, 2006, 01:09 AM

As far as insurance goes, make sure your insurer will actually accept modifications - some won't!

I'm with Adrian Flux, a specific sports/prestige/mod-friendly insurer, and my insurance has gone up less than 10%.

Wolfman · Feb 18th, 2006, 07:19 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MarkW19

It's not all about BHP.

If you've read my thread, you'll see that the overall driveability of the car improves. It's smoother, throttle is more responsive, it's "easier" to drive as you don't need to change down as much, and it pulls much better in all gears. And you can feel the extra bhp in the acceleration. Also, it's meant to improve fuel consumption (if you drive like you did before, which you won't - you'll want to get your foot down more!!), not least because you can be in a higher gear a lot more of the time. I noticed the difference in my Cooper straight away

Nice to hear a response like this.

If the MTH is doing this then it is very very good. Is it a Live remap?

I do have to say that getting it done on a rolling road will yeild an even better drive if the tuner knows what he is doing.

R0B C00PER · Feb 18th, 2006, 09:14 AM

Thanks Everyone

I'll give MTH a go!

MINI-Morgan · Feb 18th, 2006, 03:42 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfman

Nice to hear a response like this.

If the MTH is doing this then it is very very good. Is it a Live remap?

I do have to say that getting it done on a rolling road will yeild an even better drive if the tuner knows what he is doing.

nope, you'll have to go to places like AMD still for Live Mappings. This is a preconfigured replacement map.

MarkW19 · Feb 18th, 2006, 03:49 PM

The MTH Tuner remap is specific to your car - your current ECU data is downloaded, then emailed to MTH in Germany. A unique remap is then emailed back and you upload that to your car. Also, if you have any modifications (air filters, exhausts, manifolds, cams, etc.) then you specify the EXACT ones (make/model/type etc.) and they modify/adapt YOUR remap to them.

RedUn · Feb 18th, 2006, 07:45 PM

superchips, the original and best if you ask me

MarkW19 · Feb 18th, 2006, 07:46 PM

MTH, MTH, MTH

Astro · Feb 18th, 2006, 08:31 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MarkW19

MTH, MTH, MTH

Real interested in this thread. one question; Who the hell are MTH and where are they located. Another question; How much?

danb · Feb 18th, 2006, 08:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Astro

Real interested in this thread. one question; Who the hell are MTH and where are they located. Another question; How much?

Do a search for MTH on here and you will find alot of info, but here is the website

MarkW19 · Feb 18th, 2006, 08:55 PM

German Tuners. £210 from EssentialMINI.

Wolfman · Feb 19th, 2006, 09:51 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MarkW19

The MTH Tuner remap is specific to your car - your current ECU data is downloaded, then emailed to MTH in Germany. A unique remap is then emailed back and you upload that to your car. Also, if you have any modifications (air filters, exhausts, manifolds, cams, etc.) then you specify the EXACT ones (make/model/type etc.) and they modify/adapt YOUR remap to them.

How do they account for what the modifications are actually doing without putting the car on a dyno and having a look at the emiissions and air fuel ratio?

This is still a "generic" type pre programmed remap and is not car specific.

Everycar has different wear in its engine and other components may not be working as well as they did when the car elft the factory - how do these people account for this?

PLease dont get offended by my sceptical view on this - Ive had alot of my cars tuned and Ive gone quite far with some of them using standalone management and I have accidently learnt quite alot along the way.

The only way to get a remap which is specific to your car is a LIVE REMAP.

If you look at all of the big serious tuning companies around they will always live remap a car after they have modified it. They will never ever use a generic remap.

Superchips are infact alot better than most of these places. You go to Superchips, they stick you car on a dyno. The information is then used to create a map via an internet link. The car is then re run on the dyno to make sure its not over fuelling or pinking.
It aint expensive for no reason! Its done properly.

Feb 17th, 2006, 06:08 PM	#1
R0B C00PER MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Horsham Local Time: 10:32 PM Posts: 16 Offline	Which Remap? Evening Everyone! I currently have a 51 plate Cooper with the John Cooper Sound Kit added, and although I love the sound it makes I am disappointed with the performance gain of 3bhp. Due to this I am now considering a remap and have looked at various options from GT Tuning and Lohen and would appreciate some advice on which one to choose and if there are any other options I should consider? Thanks in advance!

Feb 17th, 2006, 06:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
Shabz MINI2 Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Local Time: 09:32 PM Posts: 55 Offline	I got my One mapped by XS Performance XS Performance. Totally transformed the car. Have had no problems and even get more than 250 miles out of a tank full. MINI One Last edited by Shabz : Nov 1st, 2006 at 07:41 PM.

Feb 17th, 2006, 11:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
MINI-Morgan MINI Obsessed... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southampton, Hants Local Time: 09:32 PM Posts: 4,679 Offline	MTH all the way One Man, One Project......find out what happens next at MINIProject.co.uk For MINIs in the south it can only be South Coast New MINI Club

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MINI-Morgan MINI Obsessed... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southampton, Hants Local Time: 09:32 PM Posts: 4,679 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfman Nice to hear a response like this. If the MTH is doing this then it is very very good. Is it a Live remap? I do have to say that getting it done on a rolling road will yeild an even better drive if the tuner knows what he is doing. nope, you'll have to go to places like AMD still for Live Mappings. This is a preconfigured replacement map. One Man, One Project......find out what happens next at MINIProject.co.uk For MINIs in the south it can only be South Coast New MINI Club

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Feb 17th, 2006, 07:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
Wolfman MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Local Time: 10:32 PM Posts: 25 Offline	Emaps do Generic remaps which arent specific to your car or the modifcations youve had done. These are far from ideal if you have added an exhaust or done induction modifications. If youve changed your cams then this is a total and utter waste of money. A real remap is a LIVE one which is done whilst your cars fuelling and ignition are optimised on a set of rollers or possibly on the road (this is much harder). If your going to spend money on a remap make sure its a live remap where your car is hooked up to instruments which can read Lamda and emmissions whilst the fuelling and ignition are changed.

Feb 17th, 2006, 07:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 10:32 PM Posts: 3,622 Offline	M T H

Feb 18th, 2006, 12:10 AM	#6 (permalink)
hyperbluejames Ashes and dust Maximus! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hertfordshire Local Time: 10:32 PM Posts: 654 Offline	hi guys how much more can you expect to squeeze out of a cooper with a remap? thanks hbjames

Feb 18th, 2006, 12:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 10:32 PM Posts: 3,622 Offline	With the MTH Tuner remap, up to 135bhp (depending on fuel used etc.) It's well respected on here, no reason to get anything else! http://www.mini2.com/forum/engine-drivetrain-tuning/109557-mth-tuner-remap.html

Feb 18th, 2006, 12:41 AM	#8 (permalink)
hyperbluejames Ashes and dust Maximus! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hertfordshire Local Time: 10:32 PM Posts: 654 Offline	cheers markw19. im considering it, but the only thing is i don't know how much difference 20hp makes (i've only had a 1.4Golf so far in life!), nor how much the insurance would go up. wil have to check it up hbjames

Feb 18th, 2006, 01:07 AM	#9 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 10:32 PM Posts: 3,622 Offline	It's not all about BHP. If you've read my thread, you'll see that the overall driveability of the car improves. It's smoother, throttle is more responsive, it's "easier" to drive as you don't need to change down as much, and it pulls much better in all gears. And you can feel the extra bhp in the acceleration. Also, it's meant to improve fuel consumption (if you drive like you did before, which you won't - you'll want to get your foot down more!!), not least because you can be in a higher gear a lot more of the time. I noticed the difference in my Cooper straight away

Feb 18th, 2006, 01:09 AM	#10 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 10:32 PM Posts: 3,622 Offline	As far as insurance goes, make sure your insurer will actually accept modifications - some won't! I'm with Adrian Flux, a specific sports/prestige/mod-friendly insurer, and my insurance has gone up less than 10%.

Feb 18th, 2006, 07:19 AM	#11 (permalink)
Wolfman MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Local Time: 10:32 PM Posts: 25 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MarkW19 It's not all about BHP. If you've read my thread, you'll see that the overall driveability of the car improves. It's smoother, throttle is more responsive, it's "easier" to drive as you don't need to change down as much, and it pulls much better in all gears. And you can feel the extra bhp in the acceleration. Also, it's meant to improve fuel consumption (if you drive like you did before, which you won't - you'll want to get your foot down more!!), not least because you can be in a higher gear a lot more of the time. I noticed the difference in my Cooper straight away Nice to hear a response like this. If the MTH is doing this then it is very very good. Is it a Live remap? I do have to say that getting it done on a rolling road will yeild an even better drive if the tuner knows what he is doing.

Feb 18th, 2006, 09:14 AM	#12 (permalink)
R0B C00PER MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Horsham Local Time: 10:32 PM Posts: 16 Offline	Thanks Everyone I'll give MTH a go!

Feb 18th, 2006, 03:49 PM	#14 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 10:32 PM Posts: 3,622 Offline	The MTH Tuner remap is specific to your car - your current ECU data is downloaded, then emailed to MTH in Germany. A unique remap is then emailed back and you upload that to your car. Also, if you have any modifications (air filters, exhausts, manifolds, cams, etc.) then you specify the EXACT ones (make/model/type etc.) and they modify/adapt YOUR remap to them.

Feb 18th, 2006, 07:45 PM	#15 (permalink)
RedUn MUGEN POWER Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: s2ki.com Local Time: 10:32 PM Posts: 11,504 Offline	superchips, the original and best if you ask me

Feb 18th, 2006, 07:46 PM	#16 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 10:32 PM Posts: 3,622 Offline	MTH, MTH, MTH

Feb 18th, 2006, 08:31 PM	#17 (permalink)
Astro MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 09:32 PM Posts: 20 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MarkW19 MTH, MTH, MTH Real interested in this thread. one question; Who the hell are MTH and where are they located. Another question; How much?

Feb 18th, 2006, 08:54 PM	#18 (permalink)
danb MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: York / Manchester Local Time: 09:32 PM Posts: 766 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Astro Real interested in this thread. one question; Who the hell are MTH and where are they located. Another question; How much? Do a search for MTH on here and you will find alot of info, but here is the website

Feb 18th, 2006, 08:55 PM	#19 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 10:32 PM Posts: 3,622 Offline	German Tuners. £210 from EssentialMINI.

Feb 19th, 2006, 09:51 AM	#20 (permalink)
Wolfman MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Local Time: 10:32 PM Posts: 25 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MarkW19 The MTH Tuner remap is specific to your car - your current ECU data is downloaded, then emailed to MTH in Germany. A unique remap is then emailed back and you upload that to your car. Also, if you have any modifications (air filters, exhausts, manifolds, cams, etc.) then you specify the EXACT ones (make/model/type etc.) and they modify/adapt YOUR remap to them. How do they account for what the modifications are actually doing without putting the car on a dyno and having a look at the emiissions and air fuel ratio? This is still a "generic" type pre programmed remap and is not car specific. Everycar has different wear in its engine and other components may not be working as well as they did when the car elft the factory - how do these people account for this? PLease dont get offended by my sceptical view on this - Ive had alot of my cars tuned and Ive gone quite far with some of them using standalone management and I have accidently learnt quite alot along the way. The only way to get a remap which is specific to your car is a LIVE REMAP. If you look at all of the big serious tuning companies around they will always live remap a car after they have modified it. They will never ever use a generic remap. Superchips are infact alot better than most of these places. You go to Superchips, they stick you car on a dyno. The information is then used to create a map via an internet link. The car is then re run on the dyno to make sure its not over fuelling or pinking. It aint expensive for no reason! Its done properly.

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