[TallAndy]

Clear up time.......

Right i've now finally spoken to Roland directly over the phone (very polite & helpful)

Its sounds like the Manifold and CAT were more than likely damaged whilst on the previous owners car due to massive backfiring and flames

Roland has very kindly sorted me out with a new GTT Manifold and CAT and I'm returning the damaged one to him.

Again this thread wasn't aimed at putting GTT in a bad light, and now i've finally gotten to the bottom of the problems I've had with the Manifold, and they were caused by the high level of tuning on the previous owners car.

[roland2003]

Cheers Andy,Yes all sorted , new GTT Cat/Manifold will be with you tommorow.
Regards Roland GT Tuning

[St00ge]

hey roland is the 2nd gen manifold/cat combo come with a new manifold and new cat, or just a new cat?

Elie

[roland2003]

Completly new manifold AND completly new removable cat
Regards Roland GTT

[supercoopers]

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003

WHOOOOOOOO! there.
Right talk about unfair bad press and jumping the gun. Here are the facts as I know them.
1) The manifold was not bought from us ,it was bought secondhand from a guy 'supercoopers' on this forum', and fitted by Lohen .
'Tall Andy' then raves on about the performance gains from it on M2.( complete with damaged cat)
2) The cat ALREADY HAD THIS DAMAGE when he bought it from 'supercoopers', I assume he told him of this damage before selling it? (but thats between them ). Supercooper even phoned me up to ask for a price just for the cat as he was selling it on M2 and could see it was damaged.
3) I had already spoke to the original owner who knows the damage is down to big backfires from his car (accompanied by 3 foot flames from the tailpipe he says) . No cat can withstand this!!!!!!!!!!
Come on guys a little fairness please. We did shut at 5 yesterday as we had to deliver a car. The blowing (horrible noises) would be down to whoever fitted it. We use genuine new BMW gaskets and they never blow, you do need to ensure the flange bolts are tightened well. The damage to the cat if anything would make the car quieter.Yes the manifold is made to our design EXCLUSIVLEY for us by Janspeed. It is much higher spec and design ,its fully tig welded for a start and has a larger diameter secondary pipe section, than the new Janspeed exhaust with removable cat that you can buy 'anywhere' ( eg Lohen.)
Regards Roland GT Tuning

Afternoon all.

I thought I'd respond to this thread seeing that it involves me directly.

2) I contacted Roland the day before I sent the manifold out to determine the price of a replacement CAT because on inspection/cleaning of the manifold before despatch, I saw that the CAT elements were slightly 'scrunched' in the centre. From Andy's picture's it is apparent that the degree of element 'scrunching' had increased in the month that it had been on his car.

Now, I couldn't expect Roland to give an appraisal of the 'damage' to the CAT since he had not seen it in person. We came to the conclusion that it would be best to have it checked at a local exhaust place and see what their verdict was, since their expertise in this area was bound to be better than mine...

I went one better than just going to 'Quik Fit' and Co. and collared the M.D of Turbo and Nitrous Developments UK Ltd (Marc Smit) to have a look at the CAT whilst he was servicing my other car. In his professional opinion, the CAT was fit for purpose, but then again it was not in the state as found in the pics Andy took yesterday.

3) As for three-foot flames, I have yet to see a decatted, non-twincharged/nitroused MINI throw three-foot flames out the back on the overrun and I did not say my car did this . I think Roland is referring to the flames that used to be produced from early Cossies that were forever blowing their CATs/silencers which was included in our discussion at the time.

I do find it perturbable that the CAT and Flex on any manifold costing as much as these (Milltek & GTT etc) should fail in such a short space of time, no matter what the use. These are sold as high-performance and in most cases 'race' items, but on the evidence seen to date, do not seem to be up to the task...

Cheers,

Henry

[Rakey]

Quote: Originally Posted by TallAndy

Clear up time.......

Right i've now finally spoken to Roland directly over the phone (very polite & helpful)

Its sounds like the Manifold and CAT were more than likely damaged whilst on the previous owners car due to massive backfiring and flames

Roland has very kindly sorted me out with a new GTT Manifold and CAT and I'm returning the damaged one to him.

Again this thread wasn't aimed at putting GTT in a bad light, and now i've finally gotten to the bottom of the problems I've had with the Manifold, and they were caused by the high level of tuning on the previous owners car.

another care of excellent service from Roland and the guys at GTT

guess lesson to be learnt is to go direct to source in future and paying a bit more for new goods is worth it

Glad it got resolved for you

[TallAndy]

Just to clear up some more Roland isn't giving a new item for free but on an exchange basis at a reduced price.

But Rakey yup I do agree hindsight is a b1tch for the amount of money saved and the trouble i've now had its not worth getting something second hand.

1. You dont 100% know whats happend to the item you are buying.

2. Refund / warranty could be an issue.

[Rakey]

Quote: Originally Posted by TallAndy

Just to clear up some more Roland isn't giving a new item for free but on an exchange basis at a reduced price.

But Rakey yup I do agree hindsight is a b1tch for the amount of money saved and the trouble i've now had its not worth getting something second hand.

1. You dont 100% know whats happend to the item you are buying.

2. Refund / warranty could be an issue.

well to me that is more than most other companies would do to help someone out, and goes to show the type of guy Roland is

Again, glad its worked out for you in getting a replacment

[St00ge]

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003

Completly new manifold AND completly new removable cat
Regards Roland GTT

hmm, cos i'm looking at a manifold/hiflo cat combo as a next engine mod, but i still haven't done all the research yet. Looks like a manifold tuned for high-RPM roland, (4-1 config, large bore pipes).....am i right?

[roland2003]

The MCS suffers from a nasty backfire if you are gunning it and lift off very quickly at 5000rpm to change gear. This varies in degree ,the more modded the car (high boost etc) the more violent the effect,sometimes very loud!
Henry.- You did say when your mate follows you at night you get a big flame out the back of your MCS under these conditions.
Incidently no one normally offers any formal warranty on items used for competition or used on a racetrack. If you buy a new £5000 Motocross bike from Yamaha and it seizes on the first race its not covered under warranty.Having said that we (and others too I'm sure) look at cases indiuvidually and with sympathy. In this case the part was not only secondhand but not sold by us either.
Anyway I think everythings sorted now
Best Regards Roland

[TallAndy]

Roland forgot to ask, my car as described earlier is fairly conservatively tuned (Works 210) with no other engine modifications. It is also *always* run on Shell Optimax!

What kind of warranty would I get in this case as now the manifold has been purchased directly from you?

Cheers,

Andy

[roland2003]

12mths warranty on the system & cat against manufacturing defects or defective materials.
Regards Roland
EDIT Read on to my next post.............!

[duncanbanana]

Milltek have a lifetime warranty on their parts , lifetime if owned by original buyer hence if you sell it ,no warranty
Just got my manifold replaced due to failed cat after 2 years of ownership , i just got asked if i had used it for racing

[TallAndy]

From: http://www.millteksport.com/exhaust....m?variantid=74

Q. Is my exhaust system covered by a guarantee or warranty?
A. Yes, all of our exhaust systems are covered by a lifetime anti-corrosion warranty and for 12 months against a manufacturing fault. We do not cover against any modifications made to our product after it has left our factory and also not for unusual use of the parts - for example, the use of Nitrous Oxide (NOS), damage caused by going over a speed bump too fast etc. We pride ourselves on our after-sales support and customer service and will look into each case on an individual basis.

[duncanbanana]

Well when i rang them they said it was lifetime and i got a new manifold FOC after nearly 2 years of ownership

[roland2003]

OK I'll better that .Firstly your not going to get corrosion on a stainless system anyway ,so thats perhaps a bit of false security offered by Miltek ? What you DO want is a lifetime warranty to original purchaser against manufacturing or material defects. I've just spoke to Janspeed and thats exactly what they are giving us on the GTT system ,which is miles better than the Miltek warranty IMHO.
The GTT cat is the same with a 2yr warranty on manufacturing or material defects. Also on top of that if the cat does go with GTT you dont need to remove the whole system and be without a car for a week or more. Just unbolt the cat and send that back. If necessary we will even lend you (dep may be required) a cat or decat pipe FOC to keep you on the road while its being sorted!!
Beat that Mr Miltek
Regards Roland GT Tuning

[duncanbanana]

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003

OK I'll better that .Firstly your not going to get corrosion on a stainless system anyway ,so thats perhaps a bit of false security offered by Miltek ? What you DO want is a lifetime warranty to original purchaser against manufacturing or material defects. I've just spoke to Janspeed and thats exactly what they are giving us on the GTT system ,which is miles better than the Miltek warranty IMHO.
The GTT cat is the same with a 2yr warranty on manufacturing or material defects. Also on top of that if the cat does go with GTT you dont need to remove the whole system and be without a car for a week or more. Just unbolt the cat and send that back. If necessary we will even lend you (dep may be required) a cat or decat pipe FOC to keep you on the road while its being sorted!!
Beat that Mr Miltek
Regards Roland GT Tuning

Milltek offer lifetime warranty to original purchaser too so how can yours be better?
Only 2 years on the cat ?
I didnt get my hands dirty by taking off the cat i was offered to have it changed FOC and if i needed too thats the beauty of keeping the original manifold , not a hard job to do in my opinion since i put my exhaust on , but i suppose not to the average person

[duncanbanana]

Anyway its all beside the point , im curious why there seems to be a few cat failures on so called high performance manifolds with sports cats fitted , i know of 3 including mine , all different manufacturers, any ideas?

[TallAndy]

A heavy right foot?

Being driven hard from cold?

[62Lincoln]

Quote: Originally Posted by roland2003

Completly new manifold AND completly new removable cat
Regards Roland GTT

Roland, keep your old buddy over here in the U.S. in mind once this product comes available <whimper>.

Do I sense an introductory offer?