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jonnyc · Jun 5th, 2006, 10:05 PM

Hey

Just wanted to quickly post some impressions of the MTH Tuner file which I have just uploaded to my car....

AMAZING! basically... for £245 I seriously cant think of another mod which would come close apart from a pulley...

I have a Cat back exhaust an M7 V2 enlarged throttle body and a HAI... and its just incredible how much difference it has made to my car!

Throttle response is fantastic and the power now comes in from much lower down in the rev range, the small flat spot that i had when i fitted the M7 TB has now gone and after 5krevs it really gets going pulling really hard all the way to the new 7200 rpm red line...

Also the car sounds more agressive, pops more on the over run and basically just flies!

I was running the Superchips Bluefin on my car, which is great, and still allows you to run 95 octane fuel if you have to... but this is another level!

The TUNER file also increases the slip before the TC cuts in which means that you no longer have the scary and at times dangerous 2second pause in the power, it just nicely controlls the wheel slip to allow for maximum accelleration...

Anyone whos thinking about a re-map or even has a car which is already running a map for specific mods should consider this! Seriously, you wont be dissapointed!

Cheers

JonnyC

ps. And you get 12 months of free updates, if you end up modding your car further!

minigolf · Jul 28th, 2006, 05:51 AM

I've just installed the MTH Tuner File on my 2004 MCS (currently with Alta CAI and Milltek cat-back exhaust), I've only done a couple of brief drives since uploading the file last night. While I agree with most of the stuff jonnyc says I wouldn't yet describe it as an incredible difference.

The immediately noticeable changes are that my car feels much smoother to drive and throttle response has improved quite a bit as well. There does feel like a small butt dyno improvement in power around the lower-mid rev range, but nothing out of the ordinary. Mind, I certainly was not expecting to achieve the claims of "approx 200BHP".

I reckon I need a bit more time in the car, especially after resetting the adaptive logic on the ECU, before I can offer a definitive review. Case in point, I've not really had a chance to test out the differences in traction control, although I have snuck ever so slightly past 7000rpm once or twice.

I'll be fitting my 15% pulley in a few weeks as well, so I ordered the map for this mod at the same time as the regular tuner file. That's a pretty neat touch from MTH. I would like to know more about what the real differences are in each map though. It's kinda cool being able to upload the files yourself as well (I have a friend with the required cable).

I'm a little bit sceptical about the value for money of this mod, but figured with the pulley it will be a good thing to revise the map once I'm forcing more air in there. So far I quite like the changes it has made, but I'm not sure I would have spent almost AU$600 on just the Tuner file if I wasn't fitting a pulley. I reckon the early adopters that got MTH a few years ago (ie. around the time MTH became a naughty word on MINI2

) got themselves a bargain though.

pubert · Jul 28th, 2006, 07:31 AM

Hi minigolf,

What's resetting the adaptive logic ? I've not long since put the mth tuner file on my
S and am currently awaiting an update file for the milltek I've just added.

Is resettting the logic thing something that should be done when you install the tuner
file?

cheers
pubert

minigolf · Jul 28th, 2006, 12:28 PM

pubert, seeing as the whole point of the adaptive logic/learned parameters/software reset or whatever you want to call it, is that it does adapt to driving styles and so on there is no need to do the reset. But it was recommended by my MTH dealer to do it, and it kinda makes sense to me to do so anyway. The car is now learning my driving style from scratch with the new software.

There are two ways you can do the software reset. One is to simply disconnect your battery. The other method is through the hidden functions on the car's On Board Computer. Read about it HERE … the function you want is #21 called Software reset.

Cheers Liam

pubert · Jul 29th, 2006, 06:55 AM

Ah, cheers for explaining Liam, will give that a go when i get the updated re-map.

pubert

Guran · Aug 5th, 2006, 06:18 AM

Liam, I'm interested to hear more about your assessment of the MTH tuner software. Just in the last week, I've been chatting with a guy from Peak Performance about fitting a 15% reduction pulley and ECU remap. He's offered to do the MTH tuner software with an Eaton pulley at the same time for ~$850 fitted (can't remember if that includes GST, but there's also a 10% discount for clubMINI members). I don't think I could stand the stress and effort of trying to fit it myself, so I'm very tempted to go ahead with it. To help convince me, I've been searching for opinions on both MTH tuner software and Eaton pulleys. Can't seem to find much! Any tips?

Baker · Aug 5th, 2006, 07:07 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Guran

He's offered to do the MTH tuner software with an Eaton pulley at the same time ...

Hmm, thats funny, since I am the Australian distributer for MTH and they're not getting it through me.

Edit: Oh, and Eaton don't make smaller pullies for them; thats the brand name of the supercharger.

Guran · Aug 5th, 2006, 08:43 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Baker

Hmm, thats funny, since I am the Australian distributer for MTH and they're not getting it through me.

Edit: Oh, and Eaton don't make smaller pullies for them; thats the brand name of the supercharger.

Interesting. Sounds like some more questions are in order.

Edit: no wonder I couldn't find any info on Eaton pulleys!

CarterMD · Aug 5th, 2006, 09:02 AM

The pulley you rever from MTH is a standard -15% supercharger pulley.

@minigolf:
no, the adaptive ECU can't be reset by disconnecting the battery nor by making a reset in the OBC. It only resets the OBC functions, not the ECU.

Baker · Aug 5th, 2006, 09:19 AM

Noone is talking about the MTH pullies here, and the adaptive ECU is reset by disconnecting the battery.

minigolf · Aug 6th, 2006, 08:16 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Guran

Liam, I'm interested to hear more about your assessment of the MTH tuner software. Just in the last week, I've been chatting with a guy from Peak Performance about fitting a 15% reduction pulley and ECU remap. He's offered to do the MTH tuner software with an Eaton pulley at the same time for ~$850 fitted (can't remember if that includes GST, but there's also a 10% discount for clubMINI members). I don't think I could stand the stress and effort of trying to fit it myself, so I'm very tempted to go ahead with it. To help convince me, I've been searching for opinions on both MTH tuner software and Eaton pulleys. Can't seem to find much! Any tips?

Bryan, to answer your MTH question first … the more I drive my car now the more of a convert I am becoming to MTH. It's just so smooth. It's by no means perfect, but very close, and so much better than before in terms of smoothness. It's hard to describe it really, perhaps the best comparison I can make is with another car. A few weeks ago I was able to get an extended test drive of a newish JCW MCS, it had around 10,000kms on it IIRC. The biggest difference in that car compared to my MCS was the smoothness. This difference was even greater than the extra power IMO. Now though, I reckon my MCS with MTH Tuner file would be the equal of the JCW in terms of smoothness.

If you're chasing power I couldn't really recommend the MTH, certainly not without a pulley. As I said earlier, there is a small improvement lower in the range on my car in terms of power, but it's not a light and day difference. However, after driving the car some more with the Tuner file, while my pulley is still in a box, I'd have to say I could definitely recommend the Tuner file for benefits in how much nicer the car is to drive. It's not that it was a bag of bolts before, but the Tuner file has transformed my car very, very nicely.

To address your other points, $850 to supply and fit a pulley with an ECU upgrade is pretty bloody cheap. A 15% pulley probably retails for AU$200-250 these days, a new belt (not necessary but probably good practice to change it IMO) would be another AU$40-50, and MTH is AU$585, so taking the lower end of those prices you're looking at AU$825 … so they're charging AU$25 for labour. Nice!

Something's up … I'd be asking Peak more questions about what they are supplying. They have a good rep, so I'm sure they're not up to anything dodgy, just find out as much as you can first I reckon. Read this thread also for a bit of research on pullies.

Cheers Liam

MarkW19 · Aug 6th, 2006, 06:27 PM

Think I need to get this done to my Works...

Does anyone in West Yorks have a PC laptop with USB that they wouldn't mind me using occasionally for loading/reloading the maps?! There's a few beers in it for you

Guran · Aug 7th, 2006, 10:28 AM

Thanks for the tips on the MTH tuner software Liam. I'm not expecting any major power improvement out of it but that'd be a bonus. I am hoping for a smoother ride and get rid of some of the glitches, like the uneven power distribution at low revs, and that mysterious power cut I sometimes get on gear changes. A slight boost in fuel economy would be great too. Have you got any sense of whether you're getting better L/100km yet?

Quote: Originally Posted by minigolf

To address your other points, $850 to supply and fit a pulley with an ECU upgrade is pretty bloody cheap. A 15% pulley probably retails for AU$200-250 these days, a new belt (not necessary but probably good practice to change it IMO) would be another AU$40-50, and MTH is AU$585, so taking the lower end of those prices you're looking at AU$825 … so they're charging AU$25 for labour. Nice!

Well that's what the man said. Actually the correct figure was AU$890 plus GST so that comes to AU$979. Less 10% discount for clubMINI members, which comes to a grand tally of AU$881 fitted. There's gotta be a catch somewhere, I know it.

Quote:

Something's up … I'd be asking Peak more questions about what they are supplying. They have a good rep, so I'm sure they're not up to anything dodgy, just find out as much as you can first I reckon. Read this thread also for a bit of research on pullies.

Absolutely! I agree they're unlikely to be doing anything dodgy, since I've heard nothing but good things about Peak. That's why I wanted to give them a try. I just need to make sure I know what I'm getting for my money. Thanks for the link too. I'm now properly armed to ask the right questions and will be doing so over the phone rather than going back and forwards with emails.

minigolf · Aug 7th, 2006, 01:07 PM

Smootness after gear change has been vastly improved after uploading MTH to my MINI.

jcwparklane55 · Aug 19th, 2006, 03:20 PM

are you running this on a new MC?

7200 revs, thats pushing it a it in it.

jcwparklane55 · Aug 19th, 2006, 03:26 PM

hi there has anyone ran the mth software on a standard mc????

minigolf · Aug 20th, 2006, 06:45 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by jcwparklane55 (original)

are you running this on a new MC?

7200 revs, thats pushing it a it in it.

04.2004 MCS with 40,000kms on it. I think it's safe to push redline now.

Jun 5th, 2006, 10:05 PM	#1
jonnyc MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Local Time: 04:08 PM Posts: 336 Offline	MTH Tuner File Hey Just wanted to quickly post some impressions of the MTH Tuner file which I have just uploaded to my car.... AMAZING! basically... for £245 I seriously cant think of another mod which would come close apart from a pulley... I have a Cat back exhaust an M7 V2 enlarged throttle body and a HAI... and its just incredible how much difference it has made to my car! Throttle response is fantastic and the power now comes in from much lower down in the rev range, the small flat spot that i had when i fitted the M7 TB has now gone and after 5krevs it really gets going pulling really hard all the way to the new 7200 rpm red line... Also the car sounds more agressive, pops more on the over run and basically just flies! I was running the Superchips Bluefin on my car, which is great, and still allows you to run 95 octane fuel if you have to... but this is another level! The TUNER file also increases the slip before the TC cuts in which means that you no longer have the scary and at times dangerous 2second pause in the power, it just nicely controlls the wheel slip to allow for maximum accelleration... Anyone whos thinking about a re-map or even has a car which is already running a map for specific mods should consider this! Seriously, you wont be dissapointed! Cheers JonnyC ps. And you get 12 months of free updates, if you end up modding your car further!

Jul 28th, 2006, 05:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 02:08 AM Posts: 14,067 Offline	I've just installed the MTH Tuner File on my 2004 MCS (currently with Alta CAI and Milltek cat-back exhaust), I've only done a couple of brief drives since uploading the file last night. While I agree with most of the stuff jonnyc says I wouldn't yet describe it as an incredible difference. The immediately noticeable changes are that my car feels much smoother to drive and throttle response has improved quite a bit as well. There does feel like a small butt dyno improvement in power around the lower-mid rev range, but nothing out of the ordinary. Mind, I certainly was not expecting to achieve the claims of "approx 200BHP". I reckon I need a bit more time in the car, especially after resetting the adaptive logic on the ECU, before I can offer a definitive review. Case in point, I've not really had a chance to test out the differences in traction control, although I have snuck ever so slightly past 7000rpm once or twice. I'll be fitting my 15% pulley in a few weeks as well, so I ordered the map for this mod at the same time as the regular tuner file. That's a pretty neat touch from MTH. I would like to know more about what the real differences are in each map though. It's kinda cool being able to upload the files yourself as well (I have a friend with the required cable). I'm a little bit sceptical about the value for money of this mod, but figured with the pulley it will be a good thing to revise the map once I'm forcing more air in there. So far I quite like the changes it has made, but I'm not sure I would have spent almost AU$600 on just the Tuner file if I wasn't fitting a pulley. I reckon the early adopters that got MTH a few years ago (ie. around the time MTH became a naughty word on MINI2 ) got themselves a bargain though. Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

Jul 28th, 2006, 12:28 PM	#4 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 02:08 AM Posts: 14,067 Offline	pubert, seeing as the whole point of the adaptive logic/learned parameters/software reset or whatever you want to call it, is that it does adapt to driving styles and so on there is no need to do the reset. But it was recommended by my MTH dealer to do it, and it kinda makes sense to me to do so anyway. The car is now learning my driving style from scratch with the new software. There are two ways you can do the software reset. One is to simply disconnect your battery. The other method is through the hidden functions on the car's On Board Computer. Read about it HERE … the function you want is #21 called Software reset. Cheers Liam Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

Aug 6th, 2006, 08:16 AM	#11 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 02:08 AM Posts: 14,067 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Guran Liam, I'm interested to hear more about your assessment of the MTH tuner software. Just in the last week, I've been chatting with a guy from Peak Performance about fitting a 15% reduction pulley and ECU remap. He's offered to do the MTH tuner software with an Eaton pulley at the same time for ~$850 fitted (can't remember if that includes GST, but there's also a 10% discount for clubMINI members). I don't think I could stand the stress and effort of trying to fit it myself, so I'm very tempted to go ahead with it. To help convince me, I've been searching for opinions on both MTH tuner software and Eaton pulleys. Can't seem to find much! Any tips? Bryan, to answer your MTH question first … the more I drive my car now the more of a convert I am becoming to MTH. It's just so smooth. It's by no means perfect, but very close, and so much better than before in terms of smoothness. It's hard to describe it really, perhaps the best comparison I can make is with another car. A few weeks ago I was able to get an extended test drive of a newish JCW MCS, it had around 10,000kms on it IIRC. The biggest difference in that car compared to my MCS was the smoothness. This difference was even greater than the extra power IMO. Now though, I reckon my MCS with MTH Tuner file would be the equal of the JCW in terms of smoothness. If you're chasing power I couldn't really recommend the MTH, certainly not without a pulley. As I said earlier, there is a small improvement lower in the range on my car in terms of power, but it's not a light and day difference. However, after driving the car some more with the Tuner file, while my pulley is still in a box, I'd have to say I could definitely recommend the Tuner file for benefits in how much nicer the car is to drive. It's not that it was a bag of bolts before, but the Tuner file has transformed my car very, very nicely. To address your other points, $850 to supply and fit a pulley with an ECU upgrade is pretty bloody cheap. A 15% pulley probably retails for AU$200-250 these days, a new belt (not necessary but probably good practice to change it IMO) would be another AU$40-50, and MTH is AU$585, so taking the lower end of those prices you're looking at AU$825 … so they're charging AU$25 for labour. Nice! Something's up … I'd be asking Peak more questions about what they are supplying. They have a good rep, so I'm sure they're not up to anything dodgy, just find out as much as you can first I reckon. Read this thread also for a bit of research on pullies. Cheers Liam Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

Aug 7th, 2006, 01:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 02:08 AM Posts: 14,067 Offline	Smootness after gear change has been vastly improved after uploading MTH to my MINI. Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

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Jul 28th, 2006, 07:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
pubert MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: sheffield Local Time: 05:08 PM Posts: 240 Offline	Hi minigolf, What's resetting the adaptive logic ? I've not long since put the mth tuner file on my S and am currently awaiting an update file for the milltek I've just added. Is resettting the logic thing something that should be done when you install the tuner file? cheers pubert

Jul 29th, 2006, 06:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
pubert MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: sheffield Local Time: 05:08 PM Posts: 240 Offline	Ah, cheers for explaining Liam, will give that a go when i get the updated re-map. pubert

Aug 5th, 2006, 06:18 AM	#6 (permalink)
Guran MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wollongong Local Time: 02:08 AM Posts: 204 Offline	Liam, I'm interested to hear more about your assessment of the MTH tuner software. Just in the last week, I've been chatting with a guy from Peak Performance about fitting a 15% reduction pulley and ECU remap. He's offered to do the MTH tuner software with an Eaton pulley at the same time for ~$850 fitted (can't remember if that includes GST, but there's also a 10% discount for clubMINI members). I don't think I could stand the stress and effort of trying to fit it myself, so I'm very tempted to go ahead with it. To help convince me, I've been searching for opinions on both MTH tuner software and Eaton pulleys. Can't seem to find much! Any tips?

Aug 5th, 2006, 07:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
Baker Being normal is not fun! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Newcastle, Australia Local Time: 02:08 AM Posts: 4,270 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Guran He's offered to do the MTH tuner software with an Eaton pulley at the same time ... Hmm, thats funny, since I am the Australian distributer for MTH and they're not getting it through me. Edit: Oh, and Eaton don't make smaller pullies for them; thats the brand name of the supercharger.

Aug 5th, 2006, 08:43 AM	#8 (permalink)
Guran MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wollongong Local Time: 02:08 AM Posts: 204 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Baker Hmm, thats funny, since I am the Australian distributer for MTH and they're not getting it through me. Edit: Oh, and Eaton don't make smaller pullies for them; thats the brand name of the supercharger. Interesting. Sounds like some more questions are in order. Edit: no wonder I couldn't find any info on Eaton pulleys!

Aug 5th, 2006, 09:02 AM	#9 (permalink)
CarterMD MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ulm, Germany Local Time: 06:08 PM Posts: 23 Offline	The pulley you rever from MTH is a standard -15% supercharger pulley. @minigolf: no, the adaptive ECU can't be reset by disconnecting the battery nor by making a reset in the OBC. It only resets the OBC functions, not the ECU.

Aug 5th, 2006, 09:19 AM	#10 (permalink)
Baker Being normal is not fun! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Newcastle, Australia Local Time: 02:08 AM Posts: 4,270 Offline	Noone is talking about the MTH pullies here, and the adaptive ECU is reset by disconnecting the battery.

Aug 6th, 2006, 06:27 PM	#12 (permalink)
MarkW19 Grinning Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds Local Time: 05:08 PM Posts: 3,831 Offline	Think I need to get this done to my Works... Does anyone in West Yorks have a PC laptop with USB that they wouldn't mind me using occasionally for loading/reloading the maps?! There's a few beers in it for you

Aug 7th, 2006, 10:28 AM	#13 (permalink)
Guran MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wollongong Local Time: 02:08 AM Posts: 204 Offline	Thanks for the tips on the MTH tuner software Liam. I'm not expecting any major power improvement out of it but that'd be a bonus. I am hoping for a smoother ride and get rid of some of the glitches, like the uneven power distribution at low revs, and that mysterious power cut I sometimes get on gear changes. A slight boost in fuel economy would be great too. Have you got any sense of whether you're getting better L/100km yet? Quote: Originally Posted by minigolf To address your other points, $850 to supply and fit a pulley with an ECU upgrade is pretty bloody cheap. A 15% pulley probably retails for AU$200-250 these days, a new belt (not necessary but probably good practice to change it IMO) would be another AU$40-50, and MTH is AU$585, so taking the lower end of those prices you're looking at AU$825 … so they're charging AU$25 for labour. Nice! Well that's what the man said. Actually the correct figure was AU$890 plus GST so that comes to AU$979. Less 10% discount for clubMINI members, which comes to a grand tally of AU$881 fitted. There's gotta be a catch somewhere, I know it. Quote: Something's up … I'd be asking Peak more questions about what they are supplying. They have a good rep, so I'm sure they're not up to anything dodgy, just find out as much as you can first I reckon. Read this thread also for a bit of research on pullies. Absolutely! I agree they're unlikely to be doing anything dodgy, since I've heard nothing but good things about Peak. That's why I wanted to give them a try. I just need to make sure I know what I'm getting for my money. Thanks for the link too. I'm now properly armed to ask the right questions and will be doing so over the phone rather than going back and forwards with emails.

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Aug 19th, 2006, 03:20 PM	#15 (permalink)
jcwparklane55 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: london Local Time: 05:08 PM Posts: 59 Offline	are you running this on a new MC? 7200 revs, thats pushing it a it in it.

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jcwparklane55 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: london Local Time: 05:08 PM Posts: 59 Offline	hi there has anyone ran the mth software on a standard mc????

Aug 20th, 2006, 06:45 AM	#17 (permalink)
minigolf Blue is the colour! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Canberra, Australia Local Time: 02:08 AM Posts: 14,067 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by jcwparklane55 (original) are you running this on a new MC? 7200 revs, thats pushing it a it in it. 04.2004 MCS with 40,000kms on it. I think it's safe to push redline now. Sabine Schmitz: Fear disturbs your concentration.

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