[COOPER S KID]

hi guys ! i remember reading on here that front mount intercoolers were not the best option ???? i have been thinking about doing this to my car , i have also thought that if the cooler piping is to long it may cause the engine to lag ! does anybody know or have they heard anything on front mounting an intercooler ??? thanks haeps !!

josh....................

[Baker]

Josh, the most effective place for the intercooler on the Mini is on the top. The car is not designed for a front mount at all.

Although, for the situation you're looking at (show car), you might just want to mount a fake one.

[COOPER S KID]

Kevo ! what's up mate ! thats what i thought on the position of the cooler !! but i was also thinking if its at the front air would still be forced through its core ! anyhow its a big mod i would be making a new front intrusion bar to accomidate the cooler and maybe some piping not sure yet ! NO WAY WOULD IT BE MOUNTED THERE FAKE !!! if i have to put something on my car thats fake because i cant modify enough things on the car for it to work or becuase of some other reason i won't do it ! hey kev do you know if the front mount kits that are available , i think there is only two for the cooper s not sure , cause the engine to lag ??? maybe even a water sprayer kit might help things alot !!

[cleverzippy]

Your best bet would probably be a chargecooler, with the water radiator mounted up front and the water/air exchanger in the same position as the current intercooler. You would not have any issues with lag due to the larger volume of air piping and you wouldn't need such a big radiator up front. Can't remember who makes such systems but have seen them somewhere on here. Try a search.

[St00ge]

hey josh, you also might be interested in this, not only does it look brilliant, seems to be performing unbelievably.

http://www.m7tuning.com/main.m7/store/10037

Here's one guys giving his impressions, and there's another two guys as well in another thread raving about it.
http://www.northamericanmotoring.com...ad.php?t=68177

[COOPER S KID]

ETALJ ! thanks for that man ! ive been thinking if an inetrcooler was fitted to the front of the mini , its core would recieve more air flow than a top mounted cooler getting air from the bonnet scoop ! this is what i reckon i might be wrong thoe ! and also a front mount on a mini would just look awesome ! there is still heaps to figure out if i want to do this mod really not sure !

[n00b]

That one did it with chopping out the bar reinforcement/metal bit and that can be defected by the cops if they're smart enough to spot that.

[MiniFr34k]

The most effect place for the cooler is NOT on top.

Placing it on top is the only place u can put it lol .

[St00ge]

no worries mate I myself am getting one as soon as i sort a few things out.
I think wat kev meant that its the most effective place for an IC on a MINI was on top.

But yeh the place for best cooling on any car is on the front for sure. The MCSs with front mounts look insane, but its just ridiculously tough to do. Where would the radiators go? But i'm sure you'd be capable josh . Are you looking to get one soon? If you're not getting one immediately, maybe we could organize a group buy down the line once i get some money saved up...also, i'm waiting for some more people to buy them and the production to be more settled, as its still a really new product.

[MiniFr34k]

lol i know what kev means.. i was just fooling around

FYI, mickennocks have told me that if i really want a fmic then:
- Take off the air con
- Customise bumper (like what evan said)
- Some custom piping is in order
- alot alot of money is in order

hook everything up and ur done.

[St00ge]

Quote: Originally Posted by MiniFr34k

lol i know what kev means.. i was just fooling around

oh ok my bad

[COOPER S KID]

Quote: Originally Posted by n00b

That one did it with chopping out the bar reinforcement/metal bit and that can be defected by the cops if they're smart enough to spot that.

thats what i might have to do as well !! my best friend works at bmw bib stillwell and he found out the reinforcement is there for a front end accident up to 5 km/r so im not to worried about modifying that ! but i will have to think about the look of the front reinforcement once it has been modified just for the whole cop thing like you said NOOB !

[COOPER S KID]

im definantely going to have a real good crack at putting the cooler at the front !! i have a car show in three weeks as soon as that is over i will start pulling the front of the car i should also be plumbing up an oil cooler set up for it ! should be a wild looking front air dam area for a mini !!!! thanks guys!!!!

[greyghost2004]

Ther have been a couple of companies that have tried to make a front mount work and so far no luck keeping them together .I have watched the one that Randy Webb was selling for awhile go thru its growing pains and they never got it sorted out. The first problem is the increased volume equals lower boost pressure . Even if they stayed together , which they havent , would they actually give improved performance? The real problems is that the front mount and its assorted runners would be mounted to the front of the car in a solid fashion. The motor however moves and it moves a LOT . The connections where the runners attach to the motor must be able to flex yet not pop off or slowly destroy themselves which has been the big problem so far. Look cool , yes it would , work for any length of time and to what degree remains to be seen.

Mark

[n00b]

Good luck dude I am sure you know you've got a pretty big task in front of ya. Trying to get the pipes in front of the radiator/aircond condensor is one thing and going there without hitting the radiator while you're at it... there's only about 4cm worth of space after the bonnet is closed.

Having so many bends, bits chopped off and changes in pipe's shape/diameter, it certainly doesn't do much other than the wow factor. Might as well go twincharge

[St00ge]

it will look awesome. Good luck josh, hope you can go through with it

[COOPER S KID]

thanks mate ! awesome information ! ive been thinking there is gonna be alot of plumbing so it probably will effect my boost pressure !

thanks guys back to the drawing board !

Quote: Originally Posted by greyghost2004

Ther have been a couple of companies that have tried to make a front mount work and so far no luck keeping them together .I have watched the one that Randy Webb was selling for awhile go thru its growing pains and they never got it sorted out. The first problem is the increased volume equals lower boost pressure . Even if they stayed together , which they havent , would they actually give improved performance? The real problems is that the front mount and its assorted runners would be mounted to the front of the car in a solid fashion. The motor however moves and it moves a LOT . The connections where the runners attach to the motor must be able to flex yet not pop off or slowly destroy themselves which has been the big problem so far. Look cool , yes it would , work for any length of time and to what degree remains to be seen.

Mark

[A13EX F Cooper S]

dastek do a front mount kit it uses a carbon attachment to the standard pipes on top of the engine which connect to a front mount.

from what i can tell it's not got air con.

topmounts are designed to reduce the pipework and reduce lag, if you have ever driven a mini hard and then pulle dover and felt the intercooler they are rarely very warm that is because of the position of the scoop a lot of air is forced into it.

I did look at a front mount project myself and gave up it looked way too difficult....
I was going to make new pipes out of the supercharger to leave the space on top of the engine for ram effect air pipes to a sealed air filter box.

[St00ge]

Quote: Originally Posted by COOPER S KID

thanks mate ! awesome information ! ive been thinking there is gonna be alot of plumbing so it probably will effect my boost pressure !

thanks guys back to the drawing board !

loss of boost is not necessarily a bad thing if you can cool the charge well enough. 19% will fix the loss of boost

[obehave]

Quote: Originally Posted by St00ge

loss of boost is not necessarily a bad thing if you can cool the charge well enough. 19% will fix the loss of boost

At the expense of more heat.
Loss of boost isn't bad if there is an increase in flow.

It's all a balance.


Good luck with this