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herbie hind · Aug 8th, 2006, 11:50 PM

okay; let fly with the opinions.... i was just cruisin' around on north american motoring and alot of talk is going on about how good the m7 dfi/c is . so..... who's better the grs ? or m7 d f ?

Root Ginger · Aug 9th, 2006, 09:35 AM

I'm not sure there have been any shootouts yet between the two devices. Would be interesting.

minti · Aug 9th, 2006, 10:33 AM

... I would go with the new intercooler that is fitted to the JCW GP, which is slightly larger than the on from the standard Mini Cooper S and as a spare part from BMW it is original and no warranty will be lost - only availability might be a problem.

Root Ginger · Aug 9th, 2006, 10:48 AM

It's unlikely you'll be able to order any GP parts without having a GP chassis number.

Also the GP I/C is not going to be in the same league as the GRS or DFIC and probably be more expensive too

BlownMini · Aug 9th, 2006, 11:08 AM

Lately Ive been reading good things about the M7. Many MCS owners are quite happy with the IC, as long as it is installed correctly with out any leaks.

St00ge · Aug 9th, 2006, 11:23 AM

after this semester, i'll be buying a DFIC for sure. I'll let you know what i think

MINIMANIAUK · Aug 9th, 2006, 12:07 PM

cost is the factor that dictates "best" the best would be a water cooled i/c - we are developing a brand new charge cooler with a fantastic core system capeable of coping with 10 bhp per inch of tubing (about the size of a cotton reel) so final size about 30 inches in total ,either 2 rows of 15 inches or 3 rows of 10 , but there, as always is a cost premium, these cores are not cheap and a radiator/tank/pump has to be added , ultimately any cooler can only cool to the ambient conditions so there is always a limit, but for high power applications water is the way to go as it can cope with 300+ bhp and still remain a reasonable size,also a factor is what you select today for the cars current power levels may not be adequate for any future power hikes and therefore you end up paying twice.
There is a lot of constant development for tuning the MINI engine and as stock items reach their limits ( throttle body -270) there will be new replacements, hence todays best - will become obsolete

Mike Edwards · Aug 9th, 2006, 09:35 PM

But - if you were use aircon components and fill the system with refrigerant - you could get it even cooler...

herbie hind · Aug 9th, 2006, 10:08 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Edwards (original)

But - if you were use aircon components and fill the system with refrigerant - you could get it even cooler...

yeah you could but you'd pay dear to spin the compressor , so even though a great idea ;it won't happen. now if you could run a compressor off energy already spent say out put shaft on tranny.....

St00ge · Aug 10th, 2006, 12:09 AM

well isn't that what we're doing with the supercharger?

just depends if its worth it or not

herbie hind · Aug 10th, 2006, 11:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by St00ge (original)

well isn't that what we're doing with the supercharger?

just depends if its worth it or not

yeah you're right there. but turbos are so common .

herbie hind · Aug 10th, 2006, 11:13 PM

are there any photos out there of the water to air in the process of being built ? why dont they expose the water lines of the i/c(our core) to air coming in scoop? just a question . is it just for looks? seems like it would cool better with lines exposed.

St00ge · Aug 11th, 2006, 12:16 AM

there are a couple of W2A ICs out there. Gintani springs to mind....

Aug 8th, 2006, 11:50 PM	#1
herbie hind MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: providence subburbs Local Time: 05:43 PM Posts: 449 Offline	a better i/c okay; let fly with the opinions.... i was just cruisin' around on north american motoring and alot of talk is going on about how good the m7 dfi/c is . so..... who's better the grs ? or m7 d f ?

Aug 9th, 2006, 09:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 09:43 PM Posts: 4,634 Offline	I'm not sure there have been any shootouts yet between the two devices. Would be interesting. It was acceptable in the 80's

Aug 9th, 2006, 10:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
minti MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2006 Local Time: 11:43 PM Posts: 28 Offline	... I would go with the new intercooler that is fitted to the JCW GP, which is slightly larger than the on from the standard Mini Cooper S and as a spare part from BMW it is original and no warranty will be lost - only availability might be a problem. MCS JCW MTH GTT Alta H&R Bilstein

Aug 9th, 2006, 10:48 AM	#4 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 09:43 PM Posts: 4,634 Offline	It's unlikely you'll be able to order any GP parts without having a GP chassis number. Also the GP I/C is not going to be in the same league as the GRS or DFIC and probably be more expensive too It was acceptable in the 80's

Aug 9th, 2006, 11:23 AM	#6 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:43 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	after this semester, i'll be buying a DFIC for sure. I'll let you know what i think Black MCS

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Aug 9th, 2006, 11:08 AM	#5 (permalink)
BlownMini MINI2 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Southern California Local Time: 02:43 PM Posts: 30 Offline	Lately Ive been reading good things about the M7. Many MCS owners are quite happy with the IC, as long as it is installed correctly with out any leaks.

Aug 9th, 2006, 12:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
MINIMANIAUK MINI2 Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2006 Local Time: 09:43 PM Posts: 1,080 Offline	cost is the factor that dictates "best" the best would be a water cooled i/c - we are developing a brand new charge cooler with a fantastic core system capeable of coping with 10 bhp per inch of tubing (about the size of a cotton reel) so final size about 30 inches in total ,either 2 rows of 15 inches or 3 rows of 10 , but there, as always is a cost premium, these cores are not cheap and a radiator/tank/pump has to be added , ultimately any cooler can only cool to the ambient conditions so there is always a limit, but for high power applications water is the way to go as it can cope with 300+ bhp and still remain a reasonable size,also a factor is what you select today for the cars current power levels may not be adequate for any future power hikes and therefore you end up paying twice. There is a lot of constant development for tuning the MINI engine and as stock items reach their limits ( throttle body -270) there will be new replacements, hence todays best - will become obsolete

Aug 9th, 2006, 09:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mike Edwards MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Herefordshire Local Time: 09:43 PM Posts: 767 Offline	But - if you were use aircon components and fill the system with refrigerant - you could get it even cooler...

Aug 9th, 2006, 10:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
herbie hind MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: providence subburbs Local Time: 05:43 PM Posts: 449 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Edwards (original) But - if you were use aircon components and fill the system with refrigerant - you could get it even cooler... yeah you could but you'd pay dear to spin the compressor , so even though a great idea ;it won't happen. now if you could run a compressor off energy already spent say out put shaft on tranny.....

Aug 10th, 2006, 12:09 AM	#10 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:43 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	well isn't that what we're doing with the supercharger? just depends if its worth it or not Black MCS

Aug 10th, 2006, 11:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
herbie hind MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: providence subburbs Local Time: 05:43 PM Posts: 449 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by St00ge (original) well isn't that what we're doing with the supercharger? just depends if its worth it or not yeah you're right there. but turbos are so common .

Aug 10th, 2006, 11:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
herbie hind MINI2 Senior Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: providence subburbs Local Time: 05:43 PM Posts: 449 Offline	are there any photos out there of the water to air in the process of being built ? why dont they expose the water lines of the i/c(our core) to air coming in scoop? just a question . is it just for looks? seems like it would cool better with lines exposed.

Aug 11th, 2006, 12:16 AM	#13 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:43 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	there are a couple of W2A ICs out there. Gintani springs to mind.... Black MCS

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