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Rakey · Sep 12th, 2006, 12:11 PM

Just wondering, is it really worth putting a larger intercooler on if you aren't going to change the ECU software?

Will the car gain anything from doing this?

ButtonIt · Sep 12th, 2006, 12:13 PM

Yeah, any extra cooling of the air will benefit. A larger more efficient intercooler will cool the air more.

venox22 · Sep 12th, 2006, 12:21 PM

Yes even with a custom MTH map like mine, there is no re-mapping neede for a larger intercooler!!

Rakey · Sep 12th, 2006, 12:27 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ButtonIt (original)

Yeah, any extra cooling of the air will benefit. A larger more efficient intercooler will cool the air more.

So what does this give to the car? More power?

AprilWhine · Sep 12th, 2006, 01:01 PM

I'm upgrading the stock intercooler in my MCSC, but not as a performance mod. I'm moving to a place very similar to hell for three months of the year. I chose the GP intercooler as the replacement.

Berthil · Sep 12th, 2006, 01:08 PM

I've got a watercooled intercooler, may be you should have taken a look at it at the Cotswold Run

There is much confusion about intercoolers, but I definitely feel an improvement over stock and with no ECU change. But most of you might not go get a watercooled one though

I hear the M7 DFIC and GRS are the best air to air coolers. It doesn't gain horsepower, it makes you loose less.

T-bone S · Sep 12th, 2006, 01:10 PM

Yes it is worth it. - you will have a greater volume of dense cooled air available to the engine overstock - also you will suffer significantly less with heat soak performance issues especially in summer - as has been brilliantly said - doesn't make horsepower but stops you losing it.

Some results seem as though you gain power from IC upgrade but really you are no longer losing the difference.

Rakey · Sep 12th, 2006, 01:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by AprilWhine (original)

I'm upgrading the stock intercooler in my MCSC, but not as a performance mod. I'm moving to a place very similar to hell for three months of the year. I chose the GP intercooler as the replacement.

have you had it fitted yet Sherry?

Just wondering if all the parts different, such as the scoop intake bit, or if I just need the intercooler and cover.

but this is the route I am considering

St00ge · Sep 12th, 2006, 01:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by AprilWhine (original)

I'm upgrading the stock intercooler in my MCSC, but not as a performance mod. I'm moving to a place very similar to hell for three months of the year. I chose the GP intercooler as the replacement.

how come? warranty? how much was it?

Rakey · Sep 12th, 2006, 01:57 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by St00ge (original)

how come? warranty? how much was it?

there is a thread on here with part numbers and prices in it

St00ge · Sep 12th, 2006, 01:58 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original)

there is a thread on here with part numbers and prices in it

but surely there are better intercoolers for the same price? the only reason to get a GP IC would be for warranty reasons....

Rakey · Sep 12th, 2006, 02:01 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by St00ge (original)

but surely there are better intercoolers for the same price? the only reason to get a GP IC would be for warranty reasons....

there are bigger, but I want to keep my warranty and JCW as a JCW not some half breed

Anyway, I just wanted to know would there be a benifit from an intercooler without a remap, not which to buy

St00ge · Sep 12th, 2006, 02:07 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original)

there are bigger, but I want to keep my warranty and JCW as a JCW not some half breed

Anyway, I just wanted to know would there be a benifit from an intercooler without a remap, not which to buy

I wasn't telling you which one to buy. I was asking AprilWhine why she would want a GP IC over an aftermarket IC.

venox22 · Sep 12th, 2006, 02:19 PM

the GP one is almost pointless really, othe than a new IC cover that you buy with it for asthetic reasons.

Being a JCW freak myself would normally buy this but as its prob the most pointless thing they have done, definatly not...........GRS all the way im afraid

MPG will be increased at a result of improved efficiency

St00ge · Sep 12th, 2006, 02:41 PM

well anyway, an intercooler is easily reversible for when you need to take it to the dealer. 15 mins at the most....., plus whatever time to revert the diverter on the hood back to stock

MINIAC · Sep 12th, 2006, 03:24 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by venox22 (original)

the GP one is almost pointless really, othe than a new IC cover that you buy with it for asthetic reasons.

Being a JCW freak myself would normally buy this but as its prob the most pointless thing they have done, definatly not...........GRS all the way im afraid

Can you point me to the results of testing on the GP intercooler, especially those comparing it to the GRS?

Rakey · Sep 12th, 2006, 03:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by venox22 (original)

the GP one is almost pointless really, othe than a new IC cover that you buy with it for asthetic reasons.

Being a JCW freak myself would normally buy this but as its prob the most pointless thing they have done, definatly not...........GRS all the way im afraid

MPG will be increased at a result of improved efficiency

I think you'll find the cover is different, as its a larger cooler so needs a larger cover than the stock JCW one, not just to make it pretty

venox22 · Sep 12th, 2006, 03:39 PM

oh sorry i did mean that too!!

Rakey · Sep 12th, 2006, 03:41 PM

So to summarise, people believe that the fitting of a larger intercooler will aid the engine.

Can someone please tell me does it make the air cooler, or does it make more air cooler?

And then what difference this has upon the engine, does it give it more power/bhp or just run better, and if the latter in what way?

venox22 · Sep 12th, 2006, 03:47 PM

bit of theory for'ya

Intercooler Theory ignore the turbo bit same theory applies!!

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Sep 12th, 2006, 12:11 PM	#1
Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 09:42 PM Posts: 50,029 Offline	Larger intercoolers Just wondering, is it really worth putting a larger intercooler on if you aren't going to change the ECU software? Will the car gain anything from doing this? The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

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ButtonIt The Disorganiser My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Waiting for others Local Time: 09:42 PM Posts: 15,379 Offline	Yeah, any extra cooling of the air will benefit. A larger more efficient intercooler will cool the air more. Sponsor our Rickshaw team, please click here for info

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Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 09:42 PM Posts: 50,029 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ButtonIt (original) Yeah, any extra cooling of the air will benefit. A larger more efficient intercooler will cool the air more. So what does this give to the car? More power? The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

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AprilWhine Loves the Fuzzy One Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gypsy Local Time: 03:42 PM Posts: 16,078 Offline	I'm upgrading the stock intercooler in my MCSC, but not as a performance mod. I'm moving to a place very similar to hell for three months of the year. I chose the GP intercooler as the replacement. Global Moderator

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Berthil MINI2 Master Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sittard (NL) Local Time: 10:42 PM Posts: 759 Offline	I've got a watercooled intercooler, may be you should have taken a look at it at the Cotswold Run There is much confusion about intercoolers, but I definitely feel an improvement over stock and with no ECU change. But most of you might not go get a watercooled one though I hear the M7 DFIC and GRS are the best air to air coolers. It doesn't gain horsepower, it makes you loose less. EB/W R53 MCS Highly Modified

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Sep 12th, 2006, 12:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
venox22 only the brave! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lincs Local Time: 10:42 PM Posts: 1,290 Offline	Yes even with a custom MTH map like mine, there is no re-mapping neede for a larger intercooler!!

Sep 12th, 2006, 01:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
T-bone S MINI2 Senior Join Date: May 2006 Location: Berkshire Local Time: 09:42 PM Posts: 524 Offline	Yes it is worth it. - you will have a greater volume of dense cooled air available to the engine overstock - also you will suffer significantly less with heat soak performance issues especially in summer - as has been brilliantly said - doesn't make horsepower but stops you losing it. Some results seem as though you gain power from IC upgrade but really you are no longer losing the difference. MY05 MINI COOPER S - DS/B - GTT OPTIMISED- THANKS FOR THE RIDE - ENTER THE R56 JCW

Sep 12th, 2006, 01:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 09:42 PM Posts: 50,029 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by AprilWhine (original) I'm upgrading the stock intercooler in my MCSC, but not as a performance mod. I'm moving to a place very similar to hell for three months of the year. I chose the GP intercooler as the replacement. have you had it fitted yet Sherry? Just wondering if all the parts different, such as the scoop intake bit, or if I just need the intercooler and cover. but this is the route I am considering The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Sep 12th, 2006, 01:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:42 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by AprilWhine (original) I'm upgrading the stock intercooler in my MCSC, but not as a performance mod. I'm moving to a place very similar to hell for three months of the year. I chose the GP intercooler as the replacement. how come? warranty? how much was it? Black MCS

Sep 12th, 2006, 01:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 09:42 PM Posts: 50,029 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by St00ge (original) how come? warranty? how much was it? there is a thread on here with part numbers and prices in it The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Sep 12th, 2006, 01:58 PM	#11 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:42 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original) there is a thread on here with part numbers and prices in it but surely there are better intercoolers for the same price? the only reason to get a GP IC would be for warranty reasons.... Black MCS

Sep 12th, 2006, 02:01 PM	#12 (permalink)
Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 09:42 PM Posts: 50,029 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by St00ge (original) but surely there are better intercoolers for the same price? the only reason to get a GP IC would be for warranty reasons.... there are bigger, but I want to keep my warranty and JCW as a JCW not some half breed Anyway, I just wanted to know would there be a benifit from an intercooler without a remap, not which to buy The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Sep 12th, 2006, 02:07 PM	#13 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:42 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Rakey (original) there are bigger, but I want to keep my warranty and JCW as a JCW not some half breed Anyway, I just wanted to know would there be a benifit from an intercooler without a remap, not which to buy I wasn't telling you which one to buy. I was asking AprilWhine why she would want a GP IC over an aftermarket IC. Black MCS

Sep 12th, 2006, 02:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
venox22 only the brave! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lincs Local Time: 10:42 PM Posts: 1,290 Offline	the GP one is almost pointless really, othe than a new IC cover that you buy with it for asthetic reasons. Being a JCW freak myself would normally buy this but as its prob the most pointless thing they have done, definatly not...........GRS all the way im afraid MPG will be increased at a result of improved efficiency

Sep 12th, 2006, 02:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
St00ge 8/10 on the Stoogometer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne Local Time: 07:42 AM Posts: 2,835 Offline	well anyway, an intercooler is easily reversible for when you need to take it to the dealer. 15 mins at the most....., plus whatever time to revert the diverter on the hood back to stock Black MCS

Sep 12th, 2006, 03:24 PM	#16 (permalink)
MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 01:42 PM Posts: 8,618 Online	Quote: Originally Posted by venox22 (original) the GP one is almost pointless really, othe than a new IC cover that you buy with it for asthetic reasons. Being a JCW freak myself would normally buy this but as its prob the most pointless thing they have done, definatly not...........GRS all the way im afraid Can you point me to the results of testing on the GP intercooler, especially those comparing it to the GRS?

Sep 12th, 2006, 03:30 PM	#17 (permalink)
Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 09:42 PM Posts: 50,029 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by venox22 (original) the GP one is almost pointless really, othe than a new IC cover that you buy with it for asthetic reasons. Being a JCW freak myself would normally buy this but as its prob the most pointless thing they have done, definatly not...........GRS all the way im afraid MPG will be increased at a result of improved efficiency I think you'll find the cover is different, as its a larger cooler so needs a larger cover than the stock JCW one, not just to make it pretty The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Sep 12th, 2006, 03:39 PM	#18 (permalink)
venox22 only the brave! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lincs Local Time: 10:42 PM Posts: 1,290 Offline	oh sorry i did mean that too!!

Sep 12th, 2006, 03:41 PM	#19 (permalink)
Rakey Remember My Classifieds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Local Time: 09:42 PM Posts: 50,029 Offline	So to summarise, people believe that the fitting of a larger intercooler will aid the engine. Can someone please tell me does it make the air cooler, or does it make more air cooler? And then what difference this has upon the engine, does it give it more power/bhp or just run better, and if the latter in what way? The only problem I have is knowing which one to drive?

Sep 12th, 2006, 03:47 PM	#20 (permalink)
venox22 only the brave! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lincs Local Time: 10:42 PM Posts: 1,290 Offline	bit of theory for'ya Intercooler Theory ignore the turbo bit same theory applies!! GRS Motorsport : Quality Aluminium Products

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