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JSN · Sep 23rd, 2006, 01:27 PM

Whats the difference between the Air Filter used in the Cooper Sound Kit and the Cone Air Filter kit available one the John Cooper website?

I've noticed that garages will sell the Filter from the Sound Kit for £200+ and the the Cone Air Filter is only £115 on the John Cooper Website. So whats the difference?

I have also been considering the Pipercross Viper Induction kit, How would the JCW kits compare to the Viper.

I may wait to change Insurance companies before i start tinkering seeing as Admiral will charge for mods but only pay out on a standard car, so would the simple £33 pipercross filter from the Lohen site give any benefits, or should i just wait?

Root Ginger · Sep 23rd, 2006, 02:08 PM

The JCM one is better

Up until recently the sound kit filter was the motorsport filter. Both were identical and made by Pipercross.

Unsure who the new JCM one is made by as it appears to be cotton gauze and suspiciously like K&N.

Cotton gauze is supposed to flow better and the ribbed design increases surface area and the ability to draw air apparently.

JSN · Sep 23rd, 2006, 09:23 PM

Cheers, thought that has left me slightly confused

are you saying the JCM one (Air Cone filter) is the better one ?

Serby · Sep 23rd, 2006, 09:46 PM

I've got a JCM one, although not the latest one on thier website, all I know is it sounds awesome!

Root Ginger · Sep 24th, 2006, 10:39 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Serby (original)

I've got a JCM one, although not the latest one on thier website, all I know is it sounds awesome!

That is the same one I have on my Works. That filter is the same as the one in the sound kit.

Root Ginger · Sep 24th, 2006, 10:54 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by JSN (original)

Cheers, thought that has left me slightly confused

are you saying the JCM one (Air Cone filter) is the better one ?

Yes the new JCM one looks to be an improvement over the old one. I've just noticed that the sound kit must've changed at some point and so I'm probably giving you the incorrect information. The soundkit filter now looks to be an enclosed unit so these open filters will be a lot better.

Old JCM/Old Sound Kit Filter

click to enlarge

New JCM Filter

JSN · Sep 24th, 2006, 12:05 PM

Ah ha right i get ya

Now to decide between the Air Cone filter or the Viper Induction kit. I may go for this short term.

NeuroBeaker · Mar 19th, 2008, 02:13 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger (original)

Yes the new JCM one looks to be an improvement over the old one. I've just noticed that the sound kit must've changed at some point and so I'm probably giving you the incorrect information. The soundkit filter now looks to be an enclosed unit so these open filters will be a lot better.

Old JCM/Old Sound Kit Filter

click to enlarge

New JCM Filter

Got a picture of that New JCM Filter? I'm trying to get hold of one and want to see what it should look like.

Presumably it sounds just as awesome as the old one??

Many thanks,
Andrew.

Root Ginger · Mar 19th, 2008, 03:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ARCrawford (original)

Got a picture of that New JCM Filter? I'm trying to get hold of one and want to see what it should look like.

Presumably it sounds just as awesome as the old one??

Many thanks,
Andrew.

Looks like where ever I linked to before (probably the John Cooper Works website when they were still open) has now gone.

These products were only available from JCW themselves. Now it's gone you wont be able to get them anymore. The JCW motorsport parts and parts for the original Cooper Works were never carried by BMW.

Try the MINI Motorsport Centre though as it's run by Tony Franks the former Chief Engineer for JCW and they are the official parts supplier for the MINI Challenge.

MINI Motorsport Centre

humph · Mar 19th, 2008, 03:15 PM

Tony Franks at MINImotorsportcentre still supplies JCW/JCM parts

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NeuroBeaker · Mar 19th, 2008, 03:40 PM

Thanks guys,

Serby pointed me in the direction of Tony Franks too - I previously was blown away by the sound of Serby's car (click here for link to videos).

Do you think the new JCM510 (Motorsport Open Air Cone) will be as pleasingly noisy as the old one? As what I'm really after is a kit that will make my car sound as awesome as Serby's did - achieved through induction roar rather than a loud exhaust.

All the best,
Andrew.

Serby · Mar 19th, 2008, 04:58 PM

Damn I miss the sound of my old car!!

One thing that I noticed.. particularly with my car being a One.. the induction roar became a lot louder once I had my car Bluefinned

But yeah.. induction kits all the wayy!!!!!!

NeuroBeaker · Mar 20th, 2008, 03:38 PM

Awesome - just got off the phone with Tony and have a kit on order. Hopefully it'll arrive before the end of March.

Root Ginger · Mar 22nd, 2008, 05:57 PM

I noticed that you mentioned in the post you linked to about not being mislead by the Pipercross badge on the car. The JCW Motorsport filter was actually made by Pipercross believe it or not. It was Tony Franks himself who let me into this little secret when they were fitting mine.

My claim to fame is that my old car was the first road car to have that filter. In fact mine was the first Works BMW MINI on the road full stop!

NeuroBeaker · Mar 23rd, 2008, 06:31 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger (original)

I noticed that you mentioned in the post you linked to about not being mislead by the Pipercross badge on the car. The JCW Motorsport filter was actually made by Pipercross believe it or not. It was Tony Franks himself who let me into this little secret when they were fitting mine.

Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger (original)

My claim to fame is that my old car was the first road car to have that filter. In fact mine was the first Works BMW MINI on the road full stop!

That's pretty cool!

Root Ginger · Mar 23rd, 2008, 01:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ARCrawford (original)

That's pretty cool!

Here's a little clip of what my Works sounded like.

http://www.rootginger.co.uk/MINI2/Wo...runty%20Hi.WMV

Sep 23rd, 2006, 01:27 PM	#1
JSN legend in my own world Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Not sure Local Time: 07:19 PM Posts: 1,530 Offline	JCW SK Filter v JCW Cone Open Air Filter Whats the difference between the Air Filter used in the Cooper Sound Kit and the Cone Air Filter kit available one the John Cooper website? I've noticed that garages will sell the Filter from the Sound Kit for £200+ and the the Cone Air Filter is only £115 on the John Cooper Website. So whats the difference? I have also been considering the Pipercross Viper Induction kit, How would the JCW kits compare to the Viper. I may wait to change Insurance companies before i start tinkering seeing as Admiral will charge for mods but only pay out on a standard car, so would the simple £33 pipercross filter from the Lohen site give any benefits, or should i just wait?

Sep 23rd, 2006, 02:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 07:19 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	The JCM one is better Up until recently the sound kit filter was the motorsport filter. Both were identical and made by Pipercross. Unsure who the new JCM one is made by as it appears to be cotton gauze and suspiciously like K&N. Cotton gauze is supposed to flow better and the ribbed design increases surface area and the ability to draw air apparently. It was acceptable in the 80's

Sep 23rd, 2006, 09:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
Serby :: 32mpg woo! :: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nottingham Local Time: 07:19 PM Posts: 952 Offline	I've got a JCM one, although not the latest one on thier website, all I know is it sounds awesome! :: Click for my YouTube MINI videos ::

Sep 24th, 2006, 10:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 07:19 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Serby (original) I've got a JCM one, although not the latest one on thier website, all I know is it sounds awesome! That is the same one I have on my Works. That filter is the same as the one in the sound kit. It was acceptable in the 80's

Sep 24th, 2006, 10:54 AM	#6 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 07:19 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by JSN (original) Cheers, thought that has left me slightly confused are you saying the JCM one (Air Cone filter) is the better one ? Yes the new JCM one looks to be an improvement over the old one. I've just noticed that the sound kit must've changed at some point and so I'm probably giving you the incorrect information. The soundkit filter now looks to be an enclosed unit so these open filters will be a lot better. Old JCM/Old Sound Kit Filter click to enlarge New JCM Filter It was acceptable in the 80's

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Sep 23rd, 2006, 09:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
JSN legend in my own world Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Not sure Local Time: 07:19 PM Posts: 1,530 Offline	Cheers, thought that has left me slightly confused are you saying the JCM one (Air Cone filter) is the better one ?

Sep 24th, 2006, 12:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
JSN legend in my own world Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Not sure Local Time: 07:19 PM Posts: 1,530 Offline	Ah ha right i get ya Now to decide between the Air Cone filter or the Viper Induction kit. I may go for this short term.

Mar 19th, 2008, 02:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
NeuroBeaker Where's my navigator?! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Behind the wheel Local Time: 07:19 PM Posts: 5,756 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger (original) Yes the new JCM one looks to be an improvement over the old one. I've just noticed that the sound kit must've changed at some point and so I'm probably giving you the incorrect information. The soundkit filter now looks to be an enclosed unit so these open filters will be a lot better. Old JCM/Old Sound Kit Filter click to enlarge New JCM Filter Got a picture of that New JCM Filter? I'm trying to get hold of one and want to see what it should look like. Presumably it sounds just as awesome as the old one?? Many thanks, Andrew. * * * * * NeuroBeaker Proud owner of "Zeus" (a 'slightly modified' 2004 Mini ONE).

Mar 19th, 2008, 03:10 PM	#9 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 07:19 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ARCrawford (original) Got a picture of that New JCM Filter? I'm trying to get hold of one and want to see what it should look like. Presumably it sounds just as awesome as the old one?? Many thanks, Andrew. Looks like where ever I linked to before (probably the John Cooper Works website when they were still open) has now gone. These products were only available from JCW themselves. Now it's gone you wont be able to get them anymore. The JCW motorsport parts and parts for the original Cooper Works were never carried by BMW. Try the MINI Motorsport Centre though as it's run by Tony Franks the former Chief Engineer for JCW and they are the official parts supplier for the MINI Challenge. MINI Motorsport Centre It was acceptable in the 80's

Mar 19th, 2008, 03:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
humph Back To My Old Self Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In The Wind Local Time: 07:19 PM Posts: 2,415 Offline	Tony Franks at MINImotorsportcentre still supplies JCW/JCM parts MINI Challenge

Mar 19th, 2008, 03:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
NeuroBeaker Where's my navigator?! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Behind the wheel Local Time: 07:19 PM Posts: 5,756 Offline	Thanks guys, Serby pointed me in the direction of Tony Franks too - I previously was blown away by the sound of Serby's car (click here for link to videos). Do you think the new JCM510 (Motorsport Open Air Cone) will be as pleasingly noisy as the old one? As what I'm really after is a kit that will make my car sound as awesome as Serby's did - achieved through induction roar rather than a loud exhaust. All the best, Andrew. * * * * * NeuroBeaker Proud owner of "Zeus" (a 'slightly modified' 2004 Mini ONE).

Mar 19th, 2008, 04:58 PM	#12 (permalink)
Serby :: 32mpg woo! :: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nottingham Local Time: 07:19 PM Posts: 952 Offline	Damn I miss the sound of my old car!! One thing that I noticed.. particularly with my car being a One.. the induction roar became a lot louder once I had my car Bluefinned But yeah.. induction kits all the wayy!!!!!! :: Click for my YouTube MINI videos ::

Mar 20th, 2008, 03:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
NeuroBeaker Where's my navigator?! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Behind the wheel Local Time: 07:19 PM Posts: 5,756 Offline	Awesome - just got off the phone with Tony and have a kit on order. Hopefully it'll arrive before the end of March. * * * * * NeuroBeaker Proud owner of "Zeus" (a 'slightly modified' 2004 Mini ONE).

Mar 22nd, 2008, 05:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 07:19 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	I noticed that you mentioned in the post you linked to about not being mislead by the Pipercross badge on the car. The JCW Motorsport filter was actually made by Pipercross believe it or not. It was Tony Franks himself who let me into this little secret when they were fitting mine. My claim to fame is that my old car was the first road car to have that filter. In fact mine was the first Works BMW MINI on the road full stop! It was acceptable in the 80's

Mar 23rd, 2008, 06:31 AM	#15 (permalink)
NeuroBeaker Where's my navigator?! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Behind the wheel Local Time: 07:19 PM Posts: 5,756 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger (original) I noticed that you mentioned in the post you linked to about not being mislead by the Pipercross badge on the car. The JCW Motorsport filter was actually made by Pipercross believe it or not. It was Tony Franks himself who let me into this little secret when they were fitting mine. Quote: Originally Posted by Root Ginger (original) My claim to fame is that my old car was the first road car to have that filter. In fact mine was the first Works BMW MINI on the road full stop! That's pretty cool! * * * * * NeuroBeaker Proud owner of "Zeus" (a 'slightly modified' 2004 Mini ONE).

Mar 23rd, 2008, 01:04 PM	#16 (permalink)
Root Ginger Amiga 500 to PS3 20 Years Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Slough, Berkshire Local Time: 07:19 PM Posts: 4,673 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ARCrawford (original) That's pretty cool! Here's a little clip of what my Works sounded like. http://www.rootginger.co.uk/MINI2/Wo...runty%20Hi.WMV It was acceptable in the 80's

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