[ASTON]

what i dont understand is why they would want to develop a bluefin for the GP

Its such a small market

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by ASTON (original)

what i dont understand is why they would want to develop a bluefin for the GP

Its such a small market

I would be surprised if it had any different parameters from a standard JCW 210 car anyway....

And the GP already utilises a higher rev limit, therefore potential returns from an ECU upgrade will be minimal.

[ASTON]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3 (original)

I would be surprised if it had any different parameters from a standard JCW 210 car anyway....

And the GP already utilises a higher rev limit, therefore potential returns from an ECU upgrade will be minimal.

thats true

why dont they use a JCW 210 for development?

i will watch this space

[mGP]

Quote: Originally Posted by ASTON (original)

thats true

why dont they use a JCW 210 for development?

i will watch this space

Probably 'cos a GP will get them more publicity ; either way, they aint going anywhere near mine!

[spud130475]

Quote: Originally Posted by Goonery (original)

It really does not need it IMO, still each to his own I spose. An 8 bhp gain is barely worth the effort, I'd like to see before and after dyno figures though.

I will ask for a copy of the dyno print outs for before and after

It will be all done at superchips in buckingham & nick from Lohan's will be there aswell

[GBMINI]

Quote: Originally Posted by spud130475 (original)

I will ask for a copy of the dyno print outs for before and after

Just make sure the car's had lots of time to cool down before the first test - engine (intercooler) temp makes a HUGE difference as I learned a few years ago.

[AlexF2003]

What happens if communication between the Bluefin and the DME fails during a remap?

Then its back to MINI for reporgramming!

Its the whole powertrain warrant you ruin - clutch, gearbox, driveshaft, wheel bearings.... anything that "extra" power might harm!

Alex

[venox22]

jesus he's not going to gain a 100bhp's, an extra 5-10bhp isnt going to damage the drivetrain etc now is it!!

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by venox22 (original)

jesus he's not going to gain a 100bhp's, an extra 5-10bhp isnt going to damage the drivetrain etc now is it!!

Of course it could - your missing the point. They try a new map, which fecks up the fuel/air mix, causing way early detonation, puts a hole through No1 piston. Literally, with this kind of 'tuning' they will try to find the most power the car can put out before 'pinking' etc, and to find the top limit, you have to actually exceed the limit and then retard it slighly. So, for R&D purposes, multple maps, multiple dyno runs, then picking the 'safest' map at the limit. Safest meanng the map that will give the best output without, hopefully, ruining the car.

Al for what is likely to be no more than 1or 2% performance increase in my opinion. Its easy for a tuner to get 8-15% performance increase on a standard car, but pulling more out of an already highly tuned car is virtually impossible. You dont here of Ferrari 430's running Bluefin, for that reason. Laws of diminishing returns.

To significantly improve the performance of the GP, and increase BHP, (above +10bhp) you'd need to be looking at mechanical upgrades, such as a properly ported head, with big exhaust valves, and a race cam. The ECU is already pretty optimum for its hard ware.

Then you put low grade fuel in the Bluefinned GP because your local Shell garage has run out of 98 octane and your totally stuffed.

[Scrogg]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3 (original)

Wonder if they are paying his other costs too - time, petrol etc.....

I would imagine this has already been factored into the discount!

Quote: Originally Posted by Joogle (original)

So you post on a website clearly showing your GP roof number, state you are using the car for development and do not expect anyone from MINI to be reading this..........as Aston says Bye bye warranty

I thought that Mini could now see that the car had been re-mapped? something about a hidden flag on the system now?

I'd be very surprised if, by now, the warranty department have not got a note on their database flagging up that this car has been mucked about with and, as has been discussed many times on here before, any excuse not to pay out on a warranty claim will be used, regardless of whether there is any direct correlation between changes made away from the standard factory settings and any fault that occurs.

Remember, Big Brother is watching, and there is nowhere to hide!

[manwithnoname]

Quote: Originally Posted by spud130475 (original)

Ive had a bluefin on my focus rs it was fine never had a problem.
Iam off down a week on friday to superchips
Iam the one that will help develope the Bluefin for the GP

I honestly can't believe you're allowing someone to experiment on your car in this way. Not least for the fact that it is a limited edition version. People are going to know this car has been tinkered with and that's gotta have an effect on the resale value of the car. Leave it be, the car is a joy to drive as it is.

[Bonnie Scotland]

What a fuss about nothing, if the guy is prepared to allow his car to be tinkered with i'm sure he's well aware of all the potential pitfalls that may or may not present itself in the future.

I remember when i had the first hartge S tuned engine in scotland, the exact same posts as here appeared.
I had no warranty issues at all and in fact increased the engine with a bbr 240, again with no issues at all.
I appreciate that not every engine will survive like mine, but, give the guy some credit for allowing his motor to be used as a guinea pig for others.

Nobody knows what kind of deal he's getting either, so to presume what fuel costs and any kind of expenses is totally unknown, he may even get it all for free

When i bought my last cooper it had the stumble, so, i had a remap and it cured that, as each car requires a different map anyway there's a certain element of trial and error.

Stands back and waits for the flaming

[SoggyCornFlakes]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bonnie Scotland (original)

What a fuss about nothing, if the guy is prepared to allow his car to be tinkered with i'm sure he's well aware of all the potential pitfalls that may or may not present itself in the future.

I remember when i had the first hartge S tuned engine in scotland, the exact same posts as here appeared.
I had no warranty issues at all and in fact increased the engine with a bbr 240, again with no issues at all.
I appreciate that not every engine will survive like mine, but, give the guy some credit for allowing his motor to be used as a guinea pig for others.

Nobody knows what kind of deal he's getting either, so to presume what fuel costs and any kind of expenses is totally unknown, he may even get it all for free

When i bought my last cooper it had the stumble, so, i had a remap and it cured that, as each car requires a different map anyway there's a certain element of trial and error.

Stands back and waits for the flaming

What Alan said

[Tonyt3]

For info, if you havent read it.....
http://www.mini2.com/forum/faults-fi...ing-tuned.html

[Haggi]

i agree with tont its not worth tinkering with a GPs ecu but its worth tinkering with a decent ammount of head work cams and pistons and better air gain set up and manifold and chrage cooler it would fly and ditch the pseky run flats

[Bonnie Scotland]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3 (original)

For info, if you havent read it.....
http://www.mini2.com/forum/faults-fi...ing-tuned.html

A fair point and one worth thinking about, the first bit i read it was all sorted out to the owners satisfaction.
However, in this instance we are talking about a remap, not an engine conversion

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bonnie Scotland (original)

A fair point and one worth thinking about, the first bit i read it was all sorted out to the owners satisfaction.
However, in this instance we are talking about a remap, not an engine conversion

The point being made is not to do with a remap, but to do with the fact that they are developing a new product, R&D in intensive purposes.......

however, what one chooses to do with ones own car is of course ones own business....

[duncanbanana]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3 (original)

The point being made is not to do with a remap, but to do with the fact that they are developing a new product, R&D in intensive purposes.......

however, what one chooses to do with ones own car is of course ones own business....

Its not exactly a new product its just a new map for that type of Mini
im taking my Mini down to Superchips to have a rolling road remap done as soon as i get the chance because of alll the mods done to my car and i have alreay have the Bluefin map on mine
i want to get the most out of what mods i have
its just like when Minis first come out, everyone being worried about what may happen , but then again how many Bluefins have been sold and how many have had problems?

[JG.26]

Would basically agree with Tony and whats the point for such little gain and the chance albeit slim that your gonna knacker the car. I seem to remember LOHEN using the bluefin / supechips map on a fellow MINI2ers S with unfortunate consequences. It was a shame they never came back as to what the problem was?

[Haggi]

Quote: Originally Posted by JG.26 (original)

Would basically agree with Tony and whats the point for such little gain and the chance albeit slim that your gonna knacker the car. I seem to remember LOHEN using the bluefin / supechips map on a fellow MINI2ers S with unfortunate consequences. It was a shame they never came back as to what the problem was?

no matter what whent wrong LOHEN vidicated them selves by replacing his engine without question - a mini dealer refused to do the same when a freinds engine caught fire after they (mini) replaced it some times things go wrong but lohen did put i right and i do not think its fair that this remains as mark against them forever as yes they do work on my car so dose my mini dealer but they have both never let me down