[CC07ERS]

isnt it funny there are no comments from lohen or superchips on this the silence is deafening isnt it

[Haggi]

Quote: Originally Posted by SC06GVK (original)

isnt it funny there are no comments from lohen or superchips on this the silence is deafening isnt it

just cos there no reply dosent mean they wont ive spent a lot of cash at lohen and ive always been happy and having ACTUALY spoken to them about what happned i feel sure it wasnt their fault there not the only mini tuner to use superchips and acted better than most bmw would after his engine blew

[:: Jon ::]

I think people need to chill out about slating LOHEN..

at the end of the day Two guys have set up a business which has took off very well in the short amount of time they've been trading..

Even tho they had a problem with one car which yes.. did result in a broken engine.. they just got on with it and replaced it..

Far better than the services of BMW i might add..

I've used these guys for a few things and i'll be using them again this friday.. with no problems i might add..

thses are top people who are just trying to earn a living like the rest of us... give them a break..

and if youve got any problems dont use them simple.. but how can you slate them over things you have not even witnessed & been a part of..

[Haggi]

^^ well said

[JG.26]

What tosh with references to BMW lol, their not going to touch a car where the engine has been messed about with whilst still under the manufacturers waaranty to an extent that it suffered terminal failure why would they bother?, BUT many dealers will still go to lengths to sort out problems associated with modified cars when strictly they shouldn't. I think you will be surprised how many new MINI's go back to the dealer where aftermarket parts have caused problems. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for modifying my MINI so long as it's done properly.

Have used LOHEN myself and were okish, they did a nice job of fitting my extra gauges but a C**p job of fitting an exhaust , I gave up going back trying to get it sorted and cost me a pretty penny to put things right Considering the publicity that a certain member had on MINI2 with an engine failure with one of their tuning packages it would have been nice to have received some constructive feedback, yes they didn't have too but if it had been my business then maintaining customer confidence is paramount. Dismissing the problems I had with the exhaust I would definitely has gone back to have had their tuning package fitted, but sorry to say not now. It's not a case of slating people it's case of having confidence when spending alot of money with a particular company.

[Haggi]

i wasn't suggesting that BMW would touch that car sorry if i implyed other wise yes i wouldn't ever expect BMW to pay for damages caused buy a third party but OK fair enough if you had a zorst problem

Ive always been well treated all the times Ive been there and for a tuner who are new to only have a few complaints is pretty good for a start up company

personlay I'm not relay one for tinning a cars engines jcw would do me just fine esp with the goverment approach to motorists and if the problem was the superchip i would say the fault lies with superchips and not lohen to be fair so blaming lohen for this would be folly

[:: Jon ::]

Quote: Originally Posted by <vonstig> (original)

if the problem was the superchip i would say the fault lies with superchips and not lohen to be fair so blaming lohen for this would be folly

I'm with you on this...

[KiwiJCW]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3 (original)

For info, if you havent read it.....
http://www.mini2.com/forum/faults-fi...ing-tuned.html

Reading the thread referenced above makes me thankful that I emigrated 20 years ago...to get away from all the negativity & whingeing! Anyone can have a quality issue, and it was obviously put right in this instance so i don't see the point of referencing it again.

I'd happily lend my car to Lohen to explore tuning possibilities. It would be an interesting exercise with a company that has contributed a lot to the MINI scene. You guys are bloody lucky to have MINI enthusiasts like Lohen, GTT, MiniMania etc. Wish we had them them in NZ!

[:: Jon ::]

Quote: Originally Posted by KiwiJCW (original)

Reading the thread referenced above makes me thankful that I emigrated 20 years ago...to get away from all the negativity & whingeing! Anyone can have a quality issue, and it was obviously put right in this instance so i don't see the point of referencing it again.

I'd happily lend my car to Lohen to explore tuning possibilities. It would be an interesting exercise with a company that has contributed a lot to the MINI scene. You guys are bloody lucky to have MINI enthusiasts like Lohen, GTT, MiniMania etc. Wish we had them them in NZ!

well said

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by KiwiJCW (original)

Reading the thread referenced above makes me thankful that I emigrated 20 years ago...to get away from all the negativity & whingeing! Anyone can have a quality issue, and it was obviously put right in this instance so i don't see the point of referencing it again.

I'd happily lend my car to Lohen to explore tuning possibilities. It would be an interesting exercise with a company that has contributed a lot to the MINI scene. You guys are bloody lucky to have MINI enthusiasts like Lohen, GTT, MiniMania etc. Wish we had them them in NZ!

The point of a technical forum is to disuss issues, and to advise and counsel. If we all just went around saying 'yes sure have the work done nothing could possibly go wrong', we wouldn't have a discussion, we'd just have a lot of Mini's with unhappy owners from not getting advise.

The point of the discussion was a company that uses many third party suppliers were asking for a donor car to experiment on and develop a new product. For this service, with the risk invloved, they were offerinf the sum of F**K ALL SQUARED to the owner of the 'brand new limited edition donor vehicle.

Now charity is all well and good, but personally, as its a business venture to develop a new product, I wouldnt want to get invloved. The fact that its Lohen isn't really the point of the thread, or Lohens track record of fixing things that go wrong, as it could be anyone.

So well done to Lohen for fixing the car that went all wrong, by supplying a new engine - that was good of them, especially as it probably wasn't all their fault at all, as they are basically a reseller of engineering, not a source manufacturer. However, if it had been my Mini that needed a whole new engine I'd have still been livid.

If you would happily lend your car for R&D work to a company that has questionable levels of experience - then you sir, are a fool.

[Haggi]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3 (original)

The point of the discussion was a company that uses many third party suppliers were asking for a donor car to experiment on and develop a new product. For this service, with the risk invloved, they were offerinf the sum of F**K ALL SQUARED to the owner of the 'brand new limited edition donor vehicle.


If you would happily lend your car for R&D work to a company that has questionable levels of experience - then you sir, are a fool.

that is a very good and very fair point as yes i would expect to be paid for the use of my car (quite a bit) and would ask for them to sing a legal paper sating that in the event of engine and drive train damage or failure they will meet the cost of any and all reapirs and a hire car to let them have such a valueble car as a GP under any other way would as tony said be very foolish - but if you would relay like 8 bhp more outta your gp at the cost of your engine and the best warrnty devised by a car dealer feel free its not my money

[Shamster]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bonnie Scotland (original)

What a fuss about nothing, if the guy is prepared to allow his car to be tinkered with i'm sure he's well aware of all the potential pitfalls that may or may not present itself in the future.

I remember when i had the first hartge S tuned engine in scotland, the exact same posts as here appeared.
I had no warranty issues at all and in fact increased the engine with a bbr 240, again with no issues at all.
I appreciate that not every engine will survive like mine, but, give the guy some credit for allowing his motor to be used as a guinea pig for others.

Nobody knows what kind of deal he's getting either, so to presume what fuel costs and any kind of expenses is totally unknown, he may even get it all for free

When i bought my last cooper it had the stumble, so, i had a remap and it cured that, as each car requires a different map anyway there's a certain element of trial and error.

Stands back and waits for the flaming

You did ok Alan but I remember Andy's (Bad Manners) MCS had a bit of problem with his Hartge kit and it took ages for them to sort it out - blame was being passed between tuner and manufacturer from what I remember. I was considering getting my first MCS Hartge tuned at the time and his problem put me off getting it done.

At the end of the day it's down to personal choice.

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by <vonstig> (original)

that is a very good and very fair point as yes i would expect to be paid for the use of my car (quite a bit) and would ask for them to sing a legal paper sating that in the event of engine and drive train damage or failure they will meet the cost of any and all reapirs and a hire car to let them have such a valueble car as a GP under any other way would as tony said be very foolish - but if you would relay like 8 bhp more outta your gp at the cost of your engine and the best warrnty devised by a car dealer feel free its not my money

Good reply mate. Although I guess you dont want Lohen singing a legal document, you'd rather them sign it!!! although it would be entertaining.

like your signature too...

[Haggi]

lol i never can spell when i need to lazyness i think but yeah would be amusing none the less

[Bonnie Scotland]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3 (original)

The point of the discussion was a company that uses many third party suppliers were asking for a donor car to experiment on and develop a new product. For this service, with the risk invloved, they were offerinf the sum of F**K ALL SQUARED to the owner of the 'brand new limited edition donor vehicle

Please advise from where you got your information from.
I, for one, don't know what anyone was offered, whether they were singing or signing and i'm pretty sure you don't know either, so, to assume that nowt was offered is purely here say.

Quote: Originally Posted by Shamster

You did ok Alan but I remember Andy's (Bad Manners) MCS had a bit of problem with his Hartge kit and it took ages for them to sort it out - blame was being passed between tuner and manufacturer from what I remember. I was considering getting my first MCS Hartge tuned at the time and his problem put me off getting it done

Speaking of which, i've not spoken to Andy for ages as for his car, i'm sure BMW remapped his ecu against his wishes, but that's another story

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bonnie Scotland (original)

Please advise from where you got your information from.
I, for one, don't know what anyone was offered, whether they were singing or signing and i'm pretty sure you don't know either, so, to assume that nowt was offered is purely here say.

The original 'offer' from Lohen was that anyone helping them with the development by supplying a GP, would qualify for a 'discount' off a Bluefin.

This was detailed specifically in Lohens post on this thread:

http://www.mini2.com/forum/john-coop...p-bluefin.html

So I don't really see where you can accuse me of assuming anything on a 'hear-say' basis

[Jim Ray]

Back to the original question, yes, I do own a GP, and NO, I would not loan it to any tuning company for repeated dyno runs.

Not even BMW, oops, MINI. No way. Development implys that some mods will work well, and improve performance, and some will work poorly and risk engine damage.

It is pretty easy to say "If I owned a GP, I would thrash it, because that is what it is for", if you don't own one.

[Bonnie Scotland]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonyt3 (original)

The original 'offer' from Lohen was that anyone helping them with the development by supplying a GP, would qualify for a 'discount' off a Bluefin

This is going a wee tad off topic, but, what i'm trying to say is, do you actually know what the "discount" is/was, saying it's next to **** all kinda insinuates you know what it is.
It may well be that the "discount" could turn out to be totally free, or, £500 off another purchase etc etc
In any event, even if the discount was say half price, then to me that would be a good price for a potential 8 BHP increase and more torque, to me it's not next to **** all. It's simply my point of view against yours.
Of course you added:-
"brand new limited edition donor vehicle" in order to dress it up a little
I would put in:-
"to maximise the true potential of this super little power plant for approx 0.006 per cent of the cost of the new car"

I/we simply do not know what the "discount" or offer is/was

[Tonyt3]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bonnie Scotland (original)

This is going a wee tad off topic, but, what i'm trying to say is, do you actually know what the "discount" is/was, saying it's next to **** all kinda insinuates you know what it is.
It may well be that the "discount" could turn out to be totally free, or, £500 off another purchase etc etc
In any event, even if the discount was say half price, then to me that would be a good price for a potential 8 BHP increase and more torque, to me it's not next to **** all. It's simply my point of view against yours.
Of course you added:-
"brand new limited edition donor vehicle" in order to dress it up a little
I would put in:-
"to maximise the true potential of this super little power plant for approx 0.006 per cent of the cost of the new car"

I/we simply do not know what the "discount" or offer is/was

Well, if its your point of view that a 'discount' off a product that cost £300 is worth using your car as a test bed (and yes, all GP's are by defintion 'brand new and limeted edition') for product developement then fine thats your view. My view is it isn't. My reply was to Von Stig, and he seems to agree with me in that. Now it did say 'discount', not 'we'll cover all your costs and give it to you for nothing', so I'm assuming a discount would probably range from somewhere between 20 and 50%, although obviosuly thats an educated guess on my part. So your talking perhaps and offer of £60 to subject your car to R&D purposes, for NO GUARANTEED bhp improvement, so that a comercial business can create a product for which they can make an on going profit.....

Lets say they aired on the 'generous' sid eof a discount.... that would be what, £150-200.... still not worth it.

[Haggi]

yep in agreement with tony on it as for r&d work to be done on my car i would expect a good paymnet for use on top of a free bluefin dont get me wrong i use lohen and have done 3 times but havent had any engine work done as i feel its ****ing cah up the wall to mess with a coopers engine im saving that for my westfeild project