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NeuroBeaker · May 25th, 2007, 10:43 AM

I was thinking... would an engine damper compensate for some of the clunky roughness of gear changes with the Midland gearbox? If so, do you think this modification could make the gearbox last longer?

Many thanks,
Andrew.

DaFlake · May 25th, 2007, 10:46 AM

It might..... I would think that any smoother shifting would be add some life (albeit at a lot) to pieces and parts.

Lucky Dave · Oct 2nd, 2007, 01:38 PM

I have the texas one fitted to my facelift S and it lasted 25 miles before the brackets bent and twisted!
I have emailed the supplier but they are sure its my incorrect fitting and attempts to adjust it on the car.
It is fitted correctly and I do know of another that has done the same.

They have admitted that later brackets are to be thicker but I have had no responce to my email sent weeks ago asking for replacement brackets!

MINI-Morgan · Oct 2nd, 2007, 02:31 PM

Is it actually damping or is it completely solid to bend it that easily? but then it doesnt look too thick....

Richard Crofts · Oct 2nd, 2007, 02:40 PM

I have seen this bit of kit on a pre facelift car and its good...works well and looks like it can do the job...the lines and angles and basic damping line appear to be in line with what i'd expect. I have also seen the same one on 2 post facelift cars and both Daves and anouther MINI cooper S car have been badly twisted! I could not belive the twist on the brackets when i saw them in person. TBH when you look at the bracket and damper lines on the post facelift cars you can see the difference in the angles the damper moves in compared to the early car. The late cars just have not got the mounting in the right place for this to work properly IMO.

Daves is not fitted wrong...theres little to get wrong when it comes to fitting it, so its either a misjudgement on post facelift cars as to the angles nessesary to allow some movement, in correct direction (stops brackets twisting) or a misjudgement on the actual size/shape/material of the brackets

I have seen the insides of these and TBH Its seems to do the job well enough on early cars but its not that sofisticated...I won't give texas speedways manufature away but its really is very simplistic. But simplistic can be efffective and it appears to be on the early cars...just not on later models

Lucky Dave · Oct 2nd, 2007, 03:59 PM

Its just 2 nylon bushes in a tube to be blunt!

Under load it leavers the engine upwards in its attempt to stop it moving backwards.

It was a total waste of money IMO

If anyone wants to buy mine cheap!!! I may just keep it as an example of poor engineering.

Im not sure if its normal practice to support a rose joint on just one side when its faced on a 10mm spacer and bolted to 2-3mm steel at the narrowest section of steel in the whole bracket.

Richard Crofts · Oct 2nd, 2007, 04:07 PM

I'll give you £346 Dave, but that price has got to be inclusive of VAT and free delivery

LOL

Lucky Dave · Oct 2nd, 2007, 04:18 PM

Im sorry if I have been hash on the product, but at the end of the day Its an item I have spent my money on and it does not do the job its designed to.

In the sales info it even claims to have bomb proof brackets!

The rose joints have play in them from new so I would not expect them to last long at all.

To be honest I would not sell it to anyone.

Bhozar · Oct 2nd, 2007, 04:54 PM

Will be interesting to see how well mine wears. I dont expect it to wear out though, as my engine moves less due to all the upper/lower engine and gearbox Proflex mounts my MINI already has. I do find mine touches the bonnet slighty on the body of the shock.

LordOfTheFlies · Oct 2nd, 2007, 05:05 PM

FYi their brackets were actually designed by a ROCKET SCIENTIST if you can believe that!

Not quite as robust as one would think!

Here's a pic of a set of ROBUST brackets that ain't going nowhere.

And at $80 it's a steal!

Very often simple is better than complicated in my humble opinion...

But then again, I am a little biased.

Unfortunately, I won't be selling these kits anymore, though I do have some brackets left over.

Bomb proof MY *SS.

alski · Oct 2nd, 2007, 05:20 PM

[quote=LordOfTheFlies;3176847]

And at $80 it's a steal!

Very often simple is better than complicated in my humble opinion...

Unfortunately, I won't be selling these kits anymore, though I do have some brackets left over.

how ironic

look at this... its better & cheaper but you cant have it

well thanks for nothing

.

Richard Crofts · Oct 2nd, 2007, 05:22 PM

That does look more substantial and angles far more realistically to deal with the directions of movement induced by the engine shifting.

I have seen one thats even better though

LordOfTheFlies · Oct 2nd, 2007, 07:54 PM

[quote=alski;3176868]

Quote: Originally Posted by LordOfTheFlies (original)

And at $80 it's a steal!

Very often simple is better than complicated in my humble opinion...

Unfortunately, I won't be selling these kits anymore, though I do have some brackets left over.

how ironic

look at this... its better & cheaper but you cant have it

well thanks for nothing

.

I do have extra brackets in stock. I just don't have any new dampers. I also have some slightly scuffed up dampers (cost of doing business) that were damaged in shipping to me.

Contact me if you are interested. I only have a handful of everything left...and hopefully I will get back to full throttle on this project soon.

If you have several hours, you can peruse through the 27 page group buy thread on another MINI site regarding my damper kit:

LINK

MINI-Morgan · Oct 3rd, 2007, 02:03 PM

How scuffed? and how much for delivery of a scuffed one with the new brackets? Thanks

LordOfTheFlies · Oct 3rd, 2007, 04:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINI-Morgan (original)

How scuffed? and how much for delivery of a scuffed one with the new brackets? Thanks

Tiny cosmetic scratches. Doesn't affect the performance but some of them do get nicked around when they come 100 in a box.

My normal price is $60 + $15 shipping/handling to the UK for 04-06 kits, $80 + $15 shipping/handling to the UK for the 02-03 model years (includes brackets).

Brackets don't work with the 04-06 and both kits come with instructions.

I'd like to get rid of these so $10 off either kit. Should have a handful in each color - red, blue, and silver....

Thanks.

Shoe

duncanbanana · Oct 6th, 2007, 10:08 PM

so how do we buy one of these off u - payment options please
Would want a red oe for my 2003 MSC

LordOfTheFlies · Oct 8th, 2007, 04:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by duncanbanana (original)

so how do we buy one of these off u - payment options please
Would want a red oe for my 2003 MSC

Will send you a pm. Paypal is the best way. Thanks.

Lucky Dave · Oct 9th, 2007, 11:10 PM

Has anyone considered the effect fitting one of these may have on the functioning of your knock sensor?

BigShow · Oct 10th, 2007, 01:13 AM

I second Dave's comments above... I'll be sticking with powerflex bushes all round.

Lucky Dave · Oct 10th, 2007, 09:27 AM

An extra mount is fine if correctly dampened.

The rubbers in the damper I had were way too hard.

May 25th, 2007, 10:43 AM	#41
NeuroBeaker Must.. keep... smiling... Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Behind the wheel Local Time: 09:49 PM Posts: 6,444 Offline	Gearbox Benefits? I was thinking... would an engine damper compensate for some of the clunky roughness of gear changes with the Midland gearbox? If so, do you think this modification could make the gearbox last longer? Many thanks, Andrew. NeuroBeaker - Proud owner of "Zeus" (a 'slightly modified' 2004 MINI ONE). *WARNING!* Thesis writing in progress. Experiments continue. Multi-tasking? Explosion imminent!

May 25th, 2007, 10:46 AM	#42 (permalink)
DaFlake Lovin' every MINI of it! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hanging on The Cape! Local Time: 04:49 PM Posts: 11,037 Offline	It might..... I would think that any smoother shifting would be add some life (albeit at a lot) to pieces and parts. Global Moderator

Oct 2nd, 2007, 01:38 PM	#43 (permalink)
Lucky Dave Thinking Minis My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 09:49 PM Posts: 811 Online	I have the texas one fitted to my facelift S and it lasted 25 miles before the brackets bent and twisted! I have emailed the supplier but they are sure its my incorrect fitting and attempts to adjust it on the car. It is fitted correctly and I do know of another that has done the same. They have admitted that later brackets are to be thicker but I have had no responce to my email sent weeks ago asking for replacement brackets! For All Your Mini's Needs 01905 620011

Oct 2nd, 2007, 02:31 PM	#44 (permalink)
MINI-Morgan MINI Obsessed... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southampton, Hants Local Time: 09:49 PM Posts: 4,679 Offline	Is it actually damping or is it completely solid to bend it that easily? but then it doesnt look too thick.... One Man, One Project......find out what happens next at MINIProject.co.uk For MINIs in the south it can only be South Coast New MINI Club

Oct 2nd, 2007, 03:59 PM	#46 (permalink)
Lucky Dave Thinking Minis My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 09:49 PM Posts: 811 Online	Its just 2 nylon bushes in a tube to be blunt! Under load it leavers the engine upwards in its attempt to stop it moving backwards. It was a total waste of money IMO If anyone wants to buy mine cheap!!! I may just keep it as an example of poor engineering. Im not sure if its normal practice to support a rose joint on just one side when its faced on a 10mm spacer and bolted to 2-3mm steel at the narrowest section of steel in the whole bracket. For All Your Mini's Needs 01905 620011

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Oct 2nd, 2007, 02:40 PM	#45 (permalink)
Richard Crofts THE STICK Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Worcestershire WR15 Local Time: 09:49 PM Posts: 3,261 Offline	I have seen this bit of kit on a pre facelift car and its good...works well and looks like it can do the job...the lines and angles and basic damping line appear to be in line with what i'd expect. I have also seen the same one on 2 post facelift cars and both Daves and anouther MINI cooper S car have been badly twisted! I could not belive the twist on the brackets when i saw them in person. TBH when you look at the bracket and damper lines on the post facelift cars you can see the difference in the angles the damper moves in compared to the early car. The late cars just have not got the mounting in the right place for this to work properly IMO. Daves is not fitted wrong...theres little to get wrong when it comes to fitting it, so its either a misjudgement on post facelift cars as to the angles nessesary to allow some movement, in correct direction (stops brackets twisting) or a misjudgement on the actual size/shape/material of the brackets I have seen the insides of these and TBH Its seems to do the job well enough on early cars but its not that sofisticated...I won't give texas speedways manufature away but its really is very simplistic. But simplistic can be efffective and it appears to be on the early cars...just not on later models

Oct 2nd, 2007, 04:07 PM	#47 (permalink)
Richard Crofts THE STICK Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Worcestershire WR15 Local Time: 09:49 PM Posts: 3,261 Offline	I'll give you £346 Dave, but that price has got to be inclusive of VAT and free delivery LOL

Oct 2nd, 2007, 04:18 PM	#48 (permalink)
Lucky Dave Thinking Minis My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 09:49 PM Posts: 811 Online	Im sorry if I have been hash on the product, but at the end of the day Its an item I have spent my money on and it does not do the job its designed to. In the sales info it even claims to have bomb proof brackets! The rose joints have play in them from new so I would not expect them to last long at all. To be honest I would not sell it to anyone. For All Your Mini's Needs 01905 620011

Oct 2nd, 2007, 04:54 PM	#49 (permalink)
Bhozar Overly excited!! My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Worcestershire Local Time: 09:49 PM Posts: 1,280 Offline	Will be interesting to see how well mine wears. I dont expect it to wear out though, as my engine moves less due to all the upper/lower engine and gearbox Proflex mounts my MINI already has. I do find mine touches the bonnet slighty on the body of the shock.

Oct 2nd, 2007, 05:05 PM	#50 (permalink)
LordOfTheFlies MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New York Local Time: 05:49 PM Posts: 314 Offline	FYi their brackets were actually designed by a ROCKET SCIENTIST if you can believe that! Not quite as robust as one would think! Here's a pic of a set of ROBUST brackets that ain't going nowhere. And at $80 it's a steal! Very often simple is better than complicated in my humble opinion... But then again, I am a little biased. Unfortunately, I won't be selling these kits anymore, though I do have some brackets left over. Bomb proof MY *SS. "Do or do not. There is no try." - Master Yoda

Oct 2nd, 2007, 05:20 PM	#51 (permalink)
alski dyno-mite, might not.... My Classifieds Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: banbury Local Time: 09:49 PM Posts: 988 Offline	[quote=LordOfTheFlies;3176847] And at $80 it's a steal! Very often simple is better than complicated in my humble opinion... Unfortunately, I won't be selling these kits anymore, though I do have some brackets left over. how ironic look at this... its better & cheaper but you cant have it well thanks for nothing . carefree

Oct 2nd, 2007, 05:22 PM	#52 (permalink)
Richard Crofts THE STICK Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Worcestershire WR15 Local Time: 09:49 PM Posts: 3,261 Offline	That does look more substantial and angles far more realistically to deal with the directions of movement induced by the engine shifting. I have seen one thats even better though

Oct 2nd, 2007, 07:54 PM	#53 (permalink)
LordOfTheFlies MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New York Local Time: 05:49 PM Posts: 314 Offline	[quote=alski;3176868] Quote: Originally Posted by LordOfTheFlies (original) And at $80 it's a steal! Very often simple is better than complicated in my humble opinion... Unfortunately, I won't be selling these kits anymore, though I do have some brackets left over. how ironic look at this... its better & cheaper but you cant have it well thanks for nothing . I do have extra brackets in stock. I just don't have any new dampers. I also have some slightly scuffed up dampers (cost of doing business) that were damaged in shipping to me. Contact me if you are interested. I only have a handful of everything left...and hopefully I will get back to full throttle on this project soon. If you have several hours, you can peruse through the 27 page group buy thread on another MINI site regarding my damper kit: LINK "Do or do not. There is no try." - Master Yoda

Oct 3rd, 2007, 02:03 PM	#54 (permalink)
MINI-Morgan MINI Obsessed... My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southampton, Hants Local Time: 09:49 PM Posts: 4,679 Offline	How scuffed? and how much for delivery of a scuffed one with the new brackets? Thanks One Man, One Project......find out what happens next at MINIProject.co.uk For MINIs in the south it can only be South Coast New MINI Club

Oct 3rd, 2007, 04:53 PM	#55 (permalink)
LordOfTheFlies MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New York Local Time: 05:49 PM Posts: 314 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by MINI-Morgan (original) How scuffed? and how much for delivery of a scuffed one with the new brackets? Thanks Tiny cosmetic scratches. Doesn't affect the performance but some of them do get nicked around when they come 100 in a box. My normal price is $60 + $15 shipping/handling to the UK for 04-06 kits, $80 + $15 shipping/handling to the UK for the 02-03 model years (includes brackets). Brackets don't work with the 04-06 and both kits come with instructions. I'd like to get rid of these so $10 off either kit. Should have a handful in each color - red, blue, and silver.... Thanks. Shoe "Do or do not. There is no try." - Master Yoda

Oct 6th, 2007, 10:08 PM	#56 (permalink)
duncanbanana Yeah...I know !!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: North West Local Time: 10:49 PM Posts: 1,202 Offline	so how do we buy one of these off u - payment options please Would want a red oe for my 2003 MSC

Oct 8th, 2007, 04:02 PM	#57 (permalink)
LordOfTheFlies MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New York Local Time: 05:49 PM Posts: 314 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by duncanbanana (original) so how do we buy one of these off u - payment options please Would want a red oe for my 2003 MSC Will send you a pm. Paypal is the best way. Thanks. "Do or do not. There is no try." - Master Yoda

Oct 9th, 2007, 11:10 PM	#58 (permalink)
Lucky Dave Thinking Minis My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 09:49 PM Posts: 811 Online	Has anyone considered the effect fitting one of these may have on the functioning of your knock sensor? For All Your Mini's Needs 01905 620011

Oct 10th, 2007, 01:13 AM	#59 (permalink)
BigShow Tunnel Runner My Classifieds Join Date: Aug 2007 Local Time: 09:49 PM Posts: 928 Offline	I second Dave's comments above... I'll be sticking with powerflex bushes all round. http://www.MiniTorque.com

Oct 10th, 2007, 09:27 AM	#60 (permalink)
Lucky Dave Thinking Minis My Classifieds Join Date: Jun 2005 Local Time: 09:49 PM Posts: 811 Online	An extra mount is fine if correctly dampened. The rubbers in the damper I had were way too hard. For All Your Mini's Needs 01905 620011

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