[MarkW19]

I'm going to get this done on my Works I think, but it seems a bit silly buying an £80 USB-ODB cable just for a couple of uses!

Does anyone in West Yorkshire have the MTH USB-ODB cable that would let me borrow it, and/or let me use their PC laptop/cable to do the upload? For a fee, of course

TIA.

[Haggi]

are you sure about this as obviously the works is already re-mapped and the gain of 8 bhp ?? wouldn't it be better to fit a manifold to free up some real power and a lighter GTT crank pulley and flywheel ?

[MarkW19]

Quote: Originally Posted by JWF (original)

are you sure about this as obviously the works is already re-mapped and the gain of 8 bhp ?? wouldn't it be better to fit a manifold to free up some real power and a lighter GTT crank pulley and flywheel ?

I'm leaving everything JCW as much as possible, otherwise it won't be a JCW any more and there would've been no point me getting it I'm considering a JCM manifold at some point, but that's quite a while away.

The main reason for me getting the MTH would be to smooth things out a bit (get rid of that slight dip in power), and also to sort the traction control out. Quoted figures are a 20bhp gain (230bhp), although I doubt that's the case.

[venox22]

def get it done and you can borrow mine!!!

[MarkW19]

Quote: Originally Posted by venox22 (original)

def get it done and you can borrow mine!!!

Nice one Cheers...

I just need the ASC+T sorting out as it's really intrusive and frankly dangerous at times!!

How else can I expect things to change on my JCW210? Will I really notice a difference in acceleration, and smoothness?

Cheers.

[:: Jon ::]

Quote: Originally Posted by MarkW19 (original)

I just need the ASC+T sorting out as it's really intrusive and frankly dangerous at times!!

use index finger on left hand.. press down ASC switch and release.. little light turns on.. job done..

[MarkW19]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jonmorgan (original)

use index finger on left hand.. press down ASC switch and release.. little light turns on.. job done..

Ah, but it should only kick in when you get into problems and things go dangerously wrong. It kicks in way too much in everyday driving, meaning it's basically not doing it's job properly.

What's the point in having a "safety" feature on the car if you have to turn it off when just driving normally?! The time I turn it off for just wanting to *normally* pull out at a junction, will be the time I forget to turn it back on and happen to really need it.

No thanks!

[T-bone S]

Does your car have the LSD Mark?

[:: Jon ::]

Automatic Stability Control plus Traction, its a system which prevents the drive wheels from spinning at which point it kicks in..

the power delivered to the wheels must not exceed a level that would cause any of them to spin, even if you put your foot down..

ASC+T knows when stability and traction have to be increased down to the ABS sensors, this provides the computer with the info on wheel slip for each side of the car, as well as on changing speeds in the drive wheels. If the predetermined limits are exceeded, the control unit will instantly activate the traction system.

the ASC light will come on to indicate that ASC+T is in action this means YOU should adapt to the altered road surface.

[MarkW19]

Quote: Originally Posted by T-bone S (original)

Does your car have the LSD Mark?

Yes :-)

[Adrian_T]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jonmorgan (original)

Automatic Stability Control plus Traction, its a system which prevents the drive wheels from spinning at which point it kicks in..

the power delivered to the wheels must not exceed a level that would cause any of them to spin, even if you put your foot down..

ASC+T knows when stability and traction have to be increased down to the ABS sensors, this provides the computer with the info on wheel slip for each side of the car, as well as on changing speeds in the drive wheels. If the predetermined limits are exceeded, the control unit will instantly activate the traction system.

the ASC light will come on to indicate that ASC+T is in action this means YOU should adapt to the altered road surface.

If we had wanted to drive like our grandparents then we would not have bought cars running 170+bhp through the front wheels in the first place.

Interestingly having changed to non runflat tyres the ASC+T no longer lights up very often so perhaps its a case that the system was 'tuned' originally with decent tyres and ignored when the slippery runflats came on board.

[:: Jon ::]

Quote: Originally Posted by Adrian_T (original)

If we had wanted to drive like our grandparents

did it mention "sunday drivers"


if you understand the system you can overcome it.. simple.. you cant modify it in anyway so just learn to use it to your advantage..


get yourself on a track and understand your car... so many people rant and rave about so many things on their cars but only a fraction of people actually understand how they work and why..

Tracking a car gives you an insight to what infact your car can do under the conditions set before you..

[Haggi]

im willing to say that mth wont get you 20 bhp not even 10 as roland GTT has pointed out befoure a re-map for the s is not the best awnser at times as his car is 270+ and has no re-map on it

[Haggi]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jonmorgan (original)

did it mention "sunday drivers"


if you understand the system you can overcome it.. simple.. you cant modify it in anyway so just learn to use it to your advantage..


get yourself on a track and understand your car... so many people rant and rave about so many things on their cars but only a fraction of people actually understand how they work and why..

Tracking a car gives you an insight to what infact your car can do under the conditions set before you..

yep as having noew driven a mini round a track abiet it was a 250 bhp GTT one none the less it was still a eye opening experince as to how our litte car behaves and the fact that it was in the rain and we were om scrub tyres amde the experince all the better as not only could the mini handle the conditions it thirved in them and i even passed the likes of westfeilds elieses and even a 911 gt3 without much effort

[MarkW19]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jonmorgan (original)

Automatic Stability Control plus Traction, its a system which prevents the drive wheels from spinning at which point it kicks in..

the power delivered to the wheels must not exceed a level that would cause any of them to spin, even if you put your foot down..

ASC+T knows when stability and traction have to be increased down to the ABS sensors, this provides the computer with the info on wheel slip for each side of the car, as well as on changing speeds in the drive wheels. If the predetermined limits are exceeded, the control unit will instantly activate the traction system.

the ASC light will come on to indicate that ASC+T is in action this means YOU should adapt to the altered road surface.

Thanks for demonstrating your knowledge of the system I simply hate the way it works. It's unpredictable - sometimes it doesn't kick in at all, sometimes it kicks in way too instantly and dangerously. It's also too sensitive, totally cutting power rather than gradually reducing it until traction is gained again. I've been stopped in quite a few situations when I least expected it to kick in, putting me in a dangerous position. It's quite ironic that a safety feature should actually be so unpredictable and often increase the potential for an accident when pulling out at junctions at an average (not stupid) speed. I do acknowledge that I have to adapt my driving to the system in certain situations; but when pulling out at a junction you rarely have the time to think too much about what you're doing and watch the light - you're looking in several directions and at several cars, and just want to get out of the way. The system often prevents you from setting off in 1st gear at anything but a snail's pace.

You only have to read the hundreds of posts on here to see that a lot of people aren't happy with it's intrusive and unpredictable nature!

[Haggi]

if you whant it get it and it may or may not sort it out but i would also look at your meathod of driving and certainly a track day as that sorted my driving and understanding of the MINI out for sure but i garantee it wont give you 20 bhp

[MarkW19]

I'm not so naive as to expect 230bhp out of my car after the remap. But after reading people's comments, I do expect it to alter the drive and make it smoother/better. I've not read any negatives about the MTH, only people raving about it. I had the MTH on my Cooper and it certainly made a difference.

I will get to a track day at some point, even if just for a bit of fun

[Haggi]

i dont doubt mth makes a differnace but all it adjusts is the fuel air allocation which is what you car could do with by the sound of it as roland did say that some cars need a re-map and some dont its porbs the case that the one szie approch of the works mapp isnt working as well as it should on your car which is the probem of mass production but also how many miles have you done as the engine probs hansent fully settled yet as my cooper feels soo much nicer now that ive crossed the 30k mark

[sam_a156]

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It's unpredictable - sometimes it doesn't kick in at all, sometimes it kicks in way too instantly and dangerously. It's also too sensitive, totally cutting power rather than gradually reducing it until traction is gained again. I've been stopped in quite a few situations when I least expected it to kick in, putting me in a dangerous position. It's quite ironic that a safety feature should actually be so unpredictable and often increase the potential for an accident when pulling out at junctions at an average (not stupid) speed. I do acknowledge that I have to adapt my driving to the system in certain situations; but when pulling out at a junction you rarely have the time to think too much about what you're doing and watch the light - you're looking in several directions and at several cars, and just want to get out of the way. The system often prevents you from setting off in 1st gear at anything but a snail's pace.
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I totally agree with this. I've also had several near misses because of this "safety system" when pulling out from junctions in heavy traffic. The worst feature is that it *completely* cuts the power off, just when you need it most: in the middle of a junction and with cars approaching at high speed. I have started to switch the damn thing off altogether when trying to pull off on first gear from difficult junctions.

When you are already moving it is a tad less intrusive. Perhaps the non-runflats might help as somebody suggested...

[T-bone S]

Have to say you guys must be really flooring it from the junctions in order for this to be as big an issue as you make out.

I have had it happen to me - but I really was trying to make a bank robbery getaway on a junction and turning a corner at the same time. the ASC kicked in and left me stranded until i lifted off. Annoying but have just learned instead to change my style of driving!