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electric_cooper · Dec 5th, 2006, 11:39 PM

Been looking around for a re-map on my cooper!! Seen people quoting jumps from 115Bhp (standard) to 135Bhp!! Seems a big jump to me and really interests me!! Also the fact it wipes out all flat spots and makes the acceleration smoother and more powerful!!

Just a couple fo questions:

1). This wont alter the sound of the car will it, as I dont want it to sound like an exhaust has been put on, etc!! Just want it to sound standard but be more powerful!?
2) Which is the best re-map avaliable and where can I get it done, also what price!?
3). ARE THEY REALLY WORTH IT AND WILL I NOTICE THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE!??

Cheers

minicabrio · Dec 6th, 2006, 09:07 AM

Hey e_c...

I have the AMD one click on my Cooper which is a similar thing to the Bluefin by superchips. You won't see a 20bhp gain with just a re-map, i think most people claim 8bhp.

From the factory, the MINI is programmed to be able to run on all different grades of fuel from all over the world. The map will rule out most as in western europe our fuel is fairly high grade.

The map will also iron out any flat spots in the powerband, and will normally increase the cut in of your rev limiter.

Richard22b · Dec 6th, 2006, 09:55 AM

I got mine done by a man in Wolverhampton. Was £170 and very good. He used to work for superchip in germany.
All depends how far from there u are.

As for improvements yes you will seen a big improvements in all areas of driving.

Richard Crofts · Dec 6th, 2006, 10:36 AM

Simple really. For ease and sucurity you are best off with a superchips bluefin on the cooper. The AMD and MTH maps (the next two biggest map tuners for the MINI from what I can tell) are not difficult to do but as far as I'm aware they don't carry a warrantee. Once fitted your BMW warrantee on anything effected by the map change is void. If you get a superchips bluefin (usually a bit more expensive than AMD or MTH) then superchips have thier own warrantee, check this out, but i'm sure I'm right. You'll get about 130ish BHP from any of the maps available including the superchips one so with regard to power theres not really a point in shopping...shopping on the Cooper map is down to saving money and warrantees not the power hike.

Ant FR · Dec 6th, 2006, 10:42 AM

The AMD one does have a warrnaty.

Also bear in mind AMD are very well respected ( or were before everyone left them) and have done work for manuafturers, in fact the last car they were responsible for was the limited edition VXR 220

minicabrio · Dec 6th, 2006, 10:45 AM

Absoloutely, AMD are also great to deal with.

I got the One-Click from AMD about 2 years ago now and have been to them in Oxfordshire twice since to have the map tweaked as I've added more mods - always done without fuss

hyperbluejames · Dec 6th, 2006, 10:45 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Richard Crofts (original)

Simple really. For ease and sucurity you are best off with a superchips bluefin on the cooper. The AMD and MTH maps (the next two biggest map tuners for the MINI from what I can tell) are not difficult to do but as far as I'm aware they don't carry a warrantee. Once fitted your BMW warrantee on anything effected by the map change is void. If you get a superchips bluefin (usually a bit more expensive than AMD or MTH) then superchips have thier own warrantee, check this out, but i'm sure I'm right. You'll get about 130ish BHP from any of the maps available including the superchips one so with regard to power theres not really a point in shopping...shopping on the Cooper map is down to saving money and warrantees not the power hike.

Richard, can you actually get 130ish hp from a remap alone? I thought that figure only included physical extras too? Because if it gives me another 10-15hp just from a remap, I'm their next customer!!

minicabrio · Dec 6th, 2006, 10:47 AM

Quite a few standard Coopers run above the 115 factory figure to begin with

humph · Dec 6th, 2006, 10:48 AM

Bluefin state 130 bhp but then say 8 bhp gain for a Cooper, 115+8=123bhp. So not sure which it is.

Jon Chalk · Dec 6th, 2006, 12:46 PM

If you check the .pdf file on their bluefin site - their test cooper started with 123bhp & went up to 131bhp.

humph · Dec 6th, 2006, 12:57 PM

Yep you're right. 8 bhp it is then.

Richard Crofts · Dec 6th, 2006, 01:15 PM

The S map is different to the one used on the Cooper and ONE.

The map used for Coopers and ONE brings either car to approx 130 bhp from the standard 90 (?) or 115 bhp. Therefore the Cooper/ONE map provides 30ish/15ish BHP respectivley (this is based on if your car was pushing out the standard factory stated bhp at the start...many are not!)

The S map only provides the S with 8 bhp over the standard 163 ...not sure what it gives to facelift (July 04 onwards) Cooper S's (Normally 170 as standard)

This is all dependant on your car of course. Some cars are way down on power and others will register higher than factory even when standard. I have an 02 S which appears to be a really sweet vehicle in terms of engine quality/power. When rolling roaded it threw out over stock levels and had one of the best (smooth) power and torque curves i have seen on a standard factory car thats been on a RR (no major dips in power or torque and nice and even increase right to peak levels). However there are plenty of cars including JCW models that don't achieve anywhere near the power they are supposed to...an example is a JCW 200 (Pre 210 model) that has been RR several times and never acheived over 195 bhp!! Its like the pot luck thing you get with some cars being Friday afternoon cars and having loads of faults and some that are really tight and never have anything wrong with them.

Its all pot luck and very much dependant on the fuel you use too.

R

Richard Crofts · Dec 6th, 2006, 01:23 PM

Oh and BTW I agree the AMD are very very good. I was just not sure if they supplied a warrantee like Superchips...If they do then thier maps are just as good as Superchips IMHO from knowing folks with them. Basically the Cooper and ONE are capable of around 130-140 bhp depending on what map and mods you run. I know there are a few Coopers out their running quite nice set-ups and obtaining 140ish bhp...after this the gearboxes start to get to be a worry rather than the engines from what I have seen over the years. Just with a map (of a good quality) you should achieve 125-130 if your car was half decent to start with...if you have a good exhaust, manifold and induction kit then you can look at achieving higher than 130...especially if you run a custom map from superchips, AMD or MTH thats specifically mapped for the extra performance bits on your car.

Oh and just mapping the car won't make a differnece to the noise...what does that is the silencer and exhaust/manifold bore, and induction kit...if they stay stock then other than possibly a bit more popping on over run you'll not notice any external or internal noise changes.

Dec 5th, 2006, 11:39 PM	#1
electric_cooper MINI2 Regular My Classifieds Join Date: Dec 2006 Local Time: 10:53 PM Posts: 84 Offline	Want a Re-map on my Cooper!! Which is best!!? Been looking around for a re-map on my cooper!! Seen people quoting jumps from 115Bhp (standard) to 135Bhp!! Seems a big jump to me and really interests me!! Also the fact it wipes out all flat spots and makes the acceleration smoother and more powerful!! Just a couple fo questions: 1). This wont alter the sound of the car will it, as I dont want it to sound like an exhaust has been put on, etc!! Just want it to sound standard but be more powerful!? 2) Which is the best re-map avaliable and where can I get it done, also what price!? 3). ARE THEY REALLY WORTH IT AND WILL I NOTICE THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE!?? Cheers

Dec 6th, 2006, 10:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
humph Back To My Old Self Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In The Wind Local Time: 09:53 PM Posts: 2,717 Offline	Bluefin state 130 bhp but then say 8 bhp gain for a Cooper, 115+8=123bhp. So not sure which it is. MODERN MINI OSCARS 2008 - BEST COOPER NOMINEE

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humph Back To My Old Self Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In The Wind Local Time: 09:53 PM Posts: 2,717 Offline	Yep you're right. 8 bhp it is then. MODERN MINI OSCARS 2008 - BEST COOPER NOMINEE

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Dec 6th, 2006, 09:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
minicabrio Sing-a-long MINIer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampshire Local Time: 09:53 PM Posts: 15,996 Offline	Hey e_c... I have the AMD one click on my Cooper which is a similar thing to the Bluefin by superchips. You won't see a 20bhp gain with just a re-map, i think most people claim 8bhp. From the factory, the MINI is programmed to be able to run on all different grades of fuel from all over the world. The map will rule out most as in western europe our fuel is fairly high grade. The map will also iron out any flat spots in the powerband, and will normally increase the cut in of your rev limiter.

Dec 6th, 2006, 09:55 AM	#3 (permalink)
Richard22b Yellow Mini Man My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bristol (North) Local Time: 10:53 PM Posts: 499 Offline	I got mine done by a man in Wolverhampton. Was £170 and very good. He used to work for superchip in germany. All depends how far from there u are. As for improvements yes you will seen a big improvements in all areas of driving.

Dec 6th, 2006, 10:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
Richard Crofts THE STICK Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Worcestershire WR15 Local Time: 09:53 PM Posts: 3,261 Offline	Simple really. For ease and sucurity you are best off with a superchips bluefin on the cooper. The AMD and MTH maps (the next two biggest map tuners for the MINI from what I can tell) are not difficult to do but as far as I'm aware they don't carry a warrantee. Once fitted your BMW warrantee on anything effected by the map change is void. If you get a superchips bluefin (usually a bit more expensive than AMD or MTH) then superchips have thier own warrantee, check this out, but i'm sure I'm right. You'll get about 130ish BHP from any of the maps available including the superchips one so with regard to power theres not really a point in shopping...shopping on the Cooper map is down to saving money and warrantees not the power hike.

Dec 6th, 2006, 10:42 AM	#5 (permalink)
Ant FR MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Local Time: 09:53 PM Posts: 1,922 Offline	The AMD one does have a warrnaty. Also bear in mind AMD are very well respected ( or were before everyone left them) and have done work for manuafturers, in fact the last car they were responsible for was the limited edition VXR 220

Dec 6th, 2006, 10:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
minicabrio Sing-a-long MINIer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampshire Local Time: 09:53 PM Posts: 15,996 Offline	Absoloutely, AMD are also great to deal with. I got the One-Click from AMD about 2 years ago now and have been to them in Oxfordshire twice since to have the map tweaked as I've added more mods - always done without fuss

Dec 6th, 2006, 10:45 AM	#7 (permalink)
hyperbluejames Ashes and dust Maximus! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hertfordshire Local Time: 10:53 PM Posts: 654 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Richard Crofts (original) Simple really. For ease and sucurity you are best off with a superchips bluefin on the cooper. The AMD and MTH maps (the next two biggest map tuners for the MINI from what I can tell) are not difficult to do but as far as I'm aware they don't carry a warrantee. Once fitted your BMW warrantee on anything effected by the map change is void. If you get a superchips bluefin (usually a bit more expensive than AMD or MTH) then superchips have thier own warrantee, check this out, but i'm sure I'm right. You'll get about 130ish BHP from any of the maps available including the superchips one so with regard to power theres not really a point in shopping...shopping on the Cooper map is down to saving money and warrantees not the power hike. Richard, can you actually get 130ish hp from a remap alone? I thought that figure only included physical extras too? Because if it gives me another 10-15hp just from a remap, I'm their next customer!!

Dec 6th, 2006, 10:47 AM	#8 (permalink)
minicabrio Sing-a-long MINIer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampshire Local Time: 09:53 PM Posts: 15,996 Offline	Quite a few standard Coopers run above the 115 factory figure to begin with

Dec 6th, 2006, 12:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jon Chalk Cooperama? Who's he? Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Milton Keynes Local Time: 10:53 PM Posts: 689 Offline	If you check the .pdf file on their bluefin site - their test cooper started with 123bhp & went up to 131bhp.

Dec 6th, 2006, 01:15 PM	#12 (permalink)
Richard Crofts THE STICK Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Worcestershire WR15 Local Time: 09:53 PM Posts: 3,261 Offline	The S map is different to the one used on the Cooper and ONE. The map used for Coopers and ONE brings either car to approx 130 bhp from the standard 90 (?) or 115 bhp. Therefore the Cooper/ONE map provides 30ish/15ish BHP respectivley (this is based on if your car was pushing out the standard factory stated bhp at the start...many are not!) The S map only provides the S with 8 bhp over the standard 163 ...not sure what it gives to facelift (July 04 onwards) Cooper S's (Normally 170 as standard) This is all dependant on your car of course. Some cars are way down on power and others will register higher than factory even when standard. I have an 02 S which appears to be a really sweet vehicle in terms of engine quality/power. When rolling roaded it threw out over stock levels and had one of the best (smooth) power and torque curves i have seen on a standard factory car thats been on a RR (no major dips in power or torque and nice and even increase right to peak levels). However there are plenty of cars including JCW models that don't achieve anywhere near the power they are supposed to...an example is a JCW 200 (Pre 210 model) that has been RR several times and never acheived over 195 bhp!! Its like the pot luck thing you get with some cars being Friday afternoon cars and having loads of faults and some that are really tight and never have anything wrong with them. Its all pot luck and very much dependant on the fuel you use too. R

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Dec 6th, 2006, 01:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
Richard Crofts THE STICK Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Worcestershire WR15 Local Time: 09:53 PM Posts: 3,261 Offline	Oh and BTW I agree the AMD are very very good. I was just not sure if they supplied a warrantee like Superchips...If they do then thier maps are just as good as Superchips IMHO from knowing folks with them. Basically the Cooper and ONE are capable of around 130-140 bhp depending on what map and mods you run. I know there are a few Coopers out their running quite nice set-ups and obtaining 140ish bhp...after this the gearboxes start to get to be a worry rather than the engines from what I have seen over the years. Just with a map (of a good quality) you should achieve 125-130 if your car was half decent to start with...if you have a good exhaust, manifold and induction kit then you can look at achieving higher than 130...especially if you run a custom map from superchips, AMD or MTH thats specifically mapped for the extra performance bits on your car. Oh and just mapping the car won't make a differnece to the noise...what does that is the silencer and exhaust/manifold bore, and induction kit...if they stay stock then other than possibly a bit more popping on over run you'll not notice any external or internal noise changes.