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SiBradbury · Mar 23rd, 2007, 08:26 PM

Got an email in work today from K&N regarding some new filters that they are doing.

They now make the Apollo, originally a universal cold air induction filter, in specific fitments on seven cars. Two of these are the 2002-2006 Cooper S (+18bhp) and the 2007> Cooper (+8bhp) for £174.99!!

They sent me pdf's with details and dyno graphs but they exceed Mini2's limit. If I can figure out a way to attach them i will!

Shame they don't yet make for the pre 2007 One and Cooper tho......

samboevans · Mar 24th, 2007, 11:34 AM

i doubt you will gain 18bhp from a k and n apollo

SiBradbury · Mar 24th, 2007, 11:57 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by samboevans (original)

i doubt you will gain 18bhp from a k and n apollo

Exactly what I thought! The dyno graphs are on the PDF and its to big to attach here! Definitley showed 18bhp increase tho.....

jamesbeaumont · Mar 24th, 2007, 12:05 PM

and 8 bhp on a non turbo! if thats true, its fantastic and im getting one!

SiBradbury · Mar 24th, 2007, 12:09 PM

Anyone know how to make a PDF smaller so I can post the dyno graphs before the conspiracy theorists arrive?

jamesbeaumont · Mar 24th, 2007, 12:13 PM

Not really no...Only suggestion I have is you could take a screen shot with the pdf displayed and open/save it in paint shop then you could post that file...? Perhaps...

SiBradbury · Mar 24th, 2007, 12:34 PM

Best I could do!

jamesbeaumont · Mar 24th, 2007, 12:41 PM

wow! thats some difference, for both models. Why the low HP rating though? 140 and 80 bhp on the graph? The cooper peaked at 85 bhp with the mod...

SiBradbury · Mar 24th, 2007, 12:42 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by jamesbeaumont (original)

wow! thats some difference, for both models. Why the low HP rating though? 140 and 80 bhp on the graph? The cooper peaked at 85 bhp with the mod...

Probably wheel bhp rather than engine bhp (which is what I think Mini quote)

mmalc · Mar 24th, 2007, 04:13 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by SiBradbury (original)

They now make the Apollo, originally a universal cold air induction filter

This was very interesting -- I'd not considered that the air filter could have such a dramatic effect. But I did some reading about this, and am concerned that one of the main downsides is that basically the air seems to be less filtered...

(Very crudely: Bigger holes, more air in, more particles in.)

To what extent is this an issue?

mmalc

SiBradbury · Mar 24th, 2007, 04:28 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by mmalc (original)

This was very interesting -- I'd not considered that the air filter could have such a dramatic effect. But I did some reading about this, and am concerned that one of the main downsides is that basically the air seems to be less filtered...

(Very crudely: Bigger holes, more air in, more particles in.)

To what extent is this an issue?

mmalc

Have a look here:

K&N Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

mmalc · Mar 24th, 2007, 04:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by SiBradbury (original)

Have a look here:

K&N Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

Thanks, I did actually look over that before, but (maybe I'm being overly paranoid or skeptical) I got the feeling the answer was a little evasive.

In particular, "With proper cleaning K&N air filters will protect your engine for the life of your vehicle."

That seems to put the onus of responsibility on the user. But how do I know I'm cleaning it properly? With an ordinary air filter, I attach it and it works...

Again, I'm sorry if I'm being overly skeptical. I'm also aware that my questions have been asked time after time in other forums (I looked at over a dozen other sites), so do feel guilty repeating them here. But I never came away with an entirely comfortable feeling from anything I read...

mmalc

jamesbeaumont · Mar 24th, 2007, 05:27 PM

Well they do come with a million mile warranty...I think any filter would need proper cleaning if it were to protect the engine for its entire life.

mmalc · Mar 24th, 2007, 05:48 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by jamesbeaumont (original)

Well they do come with a million mile warranty...I think any filter would need proper cleaning if it were to protect the engine for its entire life.

Yes, but it's not particularly useful if the filter lasts for 1,000,000 miles but the engine falls apart after 50,000

And "proper cleaning" is still left as an unresolved issue. If I don't clean it properly, I'm presumably risking damage to my engine. That puts a significant burden of responsibility on me. This is in contrast to the current situation where I can simply leave it to the dealer to replace the air filter when necessary, and I know it "just works". (I know I'm oversimplifying here, but...)

mmalc

SiBradbury · Mar 24th, 2007, 06:38 PM

THIS is what I was looking for originally, maybe you'll find the answers you're looking for here!

http://www.aptfast.com/KN_Additional...lter_facts.htm

It's the oiling of the filter that is the vital bit, the cleaning process is a no-brainer.

mmalc · Mar 24th, 2007, 08:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by SiBradbury (original)

THIS is what I was looking for originally, maybe you'll find the answers you're looking for here!
K&N Air Filter Facts
It's the oiling of the filter that is the vital bit, the cleaning process is a no-brainer.

Ah, yes, that's very helpful, thank you.
I didn't see (or at least didn't find) anything equally useful on K&N's own site, which is surprising...
Hmm, immediately after writing the section below, I did actually find this (linked from here), which is almost the same article as the one you cite.
So mea culpa, I overlooked it by going straight to the FAQ.

The other thing that still at least seems absent from K&N's own site is the product itself. Is it only available in the UK? Using the search on the US site didn't return the Apollo; it's also not listed here. The UK site seemed to use the US search tool...

mmalc

SiBradbury · Mar 24th, 2007, 09:25 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by mmalc (original)

Ah, yes, that's very helpful, thank you.
I didn't see (or at least didn't find) anything equally useful on K&N's own site, which is surprising...
Hmm, immediately after writing the section below, I did actually find this (linked from here), which is almost the same article as the one you cite.
So mea culpa, I overlooked it by going straight to the FAQ.

The other thing that still at least seems absent from K&N's own site is the product itself. Is it only available in the UK? Using the search on the US site didn't return the Apollo; it's also not listed here. The UK site seemed to use the US search tool...

mmalc

I think that is the old FAQ section that used to be on K&N's site. It certainly seems to answer the filtration question better than what's on the current site.

I think K&N UK are maybe little frustrated that the Apollo isn't on the website yet which is why they are relying on the UK dealer networks to make customers aware of it at the moment, hence the email we received in work.

gramirez · Mar 26th, 2007, 01:50 AM

Nice numbers!

I found in k&n website this.

The site list this adaptors:
70mm - 80mm part #85-6001.
70mm, part #85-6002, and
70mm - 60mm part #85-6003,

Will any of this kits fit the MCS? or will we have to wait for the 6006 kit?

Best regards!

Memo

SiBradbury · Mar 26th, 2007, 09:12 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by gramirez (original)

Nice numbers!

I found in k&n website this.

The site list this adaptors:
70mm - 80mm part #85-6001.
70mm, part #85-6002, and
70mm - 60mm part #85-6003,

Will any of this kits fit the MCS? or will we have to wait for the 6006 kit?

Best regards!

Memo

The 6006 kit is already out so you won't have to wait!

MINIAC · Mar 26th, 2007, 03:05 PM

Looks like a Hot Air Intake to me

Mar 23rd, 2007, 08:26 PM	#1
SiBradbury "I'm kind of a big deal" My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wirral Local Time: 08:47 PM Posts: 1,151 Offline	New K&N Apollo CAI Filter Got an email in work today from K&N regarding some new filters that they are doing. They now make the Apollo, originally a universal cold air induction filter, in specific fitments on seven cars. Two of these are the 2002-2006 Cooper S (+18bhp) and the 2007> Cooper (+8bhp) for £174.99!! They sent me pdf's with details and dyno graphs but they exceed Mini2's limit. If I can figure out a way to attach them i will! Shame they don't yet make for the pre 2007 One and Cooper tho......

Mar 26th, 2007, 01:50 AM	#18 (permalink)
gramirez I love my MINI My Classifieds Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Aguascalientes Local Time: 02:47 PM Posts: 288 Offline	Nice numbers! I found in k&n website this. The site list this adaptors: 70mm - 80mm part #85-6001. 70mm, part #85-6002, and 70mm - 60mm part #85-6003, Will any of this kits fit the MCS? or will we have to wait for the 6006 kit? Best regards! Memo Traveling in my MINI

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MINIAC MINI Profiler Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: City By The Bay Local Time: 12:47 PM Posts: 8,406 Offline	Looks like a Hot Air Intake to me Attached Thumbnails

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Mar 24th, 2007, 11:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
samboevans Sam Evans My Classifieds Join Date: May 2006 Location: lichfield Local Time: 07:47 PM Posts: 13 Offline	i doubt you will gain 18bhp from a k and n apollo

Mar 24th, 2007, 11:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
SiBradbury "I'm kind of a big deal" My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wirral Local Time: 08:47 PM Posts: 1,151 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by samboevans (original) i doubt you will gain 18bhp from a k and n apollo Exactly what I thought! The dyno graphs are on the PDF and its to big to attach here! Definitley showed 18bhp increase tho.....

Mar 24th, 2007, 12:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
jamesbeaumont Addicted to MINI... Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 08:47 PM Posts: 456 Offline	and 8 bhp on a non turbo! if thats true, its fantastic and im getting one!

Mar 24th, 2007, 12:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
SiBradbury "I'm kind of a big deal" My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wirral Local Time: 08:47 PM Posts: 1,151 Offline	Anyone know how to make a PDF smaller so I can post the dyno graphs before the conspiracy theorists arrive?

Mar 24th, 2007, 12:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
jamesbeaumont Addicted to MINI... Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 08:47 PM Posts: 456 Offline	Not really no...Only suggestion I have is you could take a screen shot with the pdf displayed and open/save it in paint shop then you could post that file...? Perhaps...

Mar 24th, 2007, 12:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
SiBradbury "I'm kind of a big deal" My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wirral Local Time: 08:47 PM Posts: 1,151 Offline	Best I could do!

Mar 24th, 2007, 12:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
jamesbeaumont Addicted to MINI... Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 08:47 PM Posts: 456 Offline	wow! thats some difference, for both models. Why the low HP rating though? 140 and 80 bhp on the graph? The cooper peaked at 85 bhp with the mod...

Mar 24th, 2007, 12:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
SiBradbury "I'm kind of a big deal" My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wirral Local Time: 08:47 PM Posts: 1,151 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by jamesbeaumont (original) wow! thats some difference, for both models. Why the low HP rating though? 140 and 80 bhp on the graph? The cooper peaked at 85 bhp with the mod... Probably wheel bhp rather than engine bhp (which is what I think Mini quote)

Mar 24th, 2007, 04:13 PM	#10 (permalink)
mmalc MINI2 newcomer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bay Area, California Local Time: 12:47 PM Posts: 210 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by SiBradbury (original) They now make the Apollo, originally a universal cold air induction filter This was very interesting -- I'd not considered that the air filter could have such a dramatic effect. But I did some reading about this, and am concerned that one of the main downsides is that basically the air seems to be less filtered... (Very crudely: Bigger holes, more air in, more particles in.) To what extent is this an issue? mmalc

Mar 24th, 2007, 04:28 PM	#11 (permalink)
SiBradbury "I'm kind of a big deal" My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wirral Local Time: 08:47 PM Posts: 1,151 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by mmalc (original) This was very interesting -- I'd not considered that the air filter could have such a dramatic effect. But I did some reading about this, and am concerned that one of the main downsides is that basically the air seems to be less filtered... (Very crudely: Bigger holes, more air in, more particles in.) To what extent is this an issue? mmalc Have a look here: K&N Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

Mar 24th, 2007, 04:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
mmalc MINI2 newcomer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bay Area, California Local Time: 12:47 PM Posts: 210 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by SiBradbury (original) Have a look here: K&N Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Thanks, I did actually look over that before, but (maybe I'm being overly paranoid or skeptical) I got the feeling the answer was a little evasive. In particular, "With proper cleaning K&N air filters will protect your engine for the life of your vehicle." That seems to put the onus of responsibility on the user. But how do I know I'm cleaning it properly? With an ordinary air filter, I attach it and it works... Again, I'm sorry if I'm being overly skeptical. I'm also aware that my questions have been asked time after time in other forums (I looked at over a dozen other sites), so do feel guilty repeating them here. But I never came away with an entirely comfortable feeling from anything I read... mmalc

Mar 24th, 2007, 05:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
jamesbeaumont Addicted to MINI... Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edinburgh Local Time: 08:47 PM Posts: 456 Offline	Well they do come with a million mile warranty...I think any filter would need proper cleaning if it were to protect the engine for its entire life.

Mar 24th, 2007, 05:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
mmalc MINI2 newcomer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bay Area, California Local Time: 12:47 PM Posts: 210 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by jamesbeaumont (original) Well they do come with a million mile warranty...I think any filter would need proper cleaning if it were to protect the engine for its entire life. Yes, but it's not particularly useful if the filter lasts for 1,000,000 miles but the engine falls apart after 50,000 And "proper cleaning" is still left as an unresolved issue. If I don't clean it properly, I'm presumably risking damage to my engine. That puts a significant burden of responsibility on me. This is in contrast to the current situation where I can simply leave it to the dealer to replace the air filter when necessary, and I know it "just works". (I know I'm oversimplifying here, but...) mmalc

Mar 24th, 2007, 06:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
SiBradbury "I'm kind of a big deal" My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wirral Local Time: 08:47 PM Posts: 1,151 Offline	THIS is what I was looking for originally, maybe you'll find the answers you're looking for here! http://www.aptfast.com/KN_Additional...lter_facts.htm It's the oiling of the filter that is the vital bit, the cleaning process is a no-brainer.

Mar 24th, 2007, 08:10 PM	#16 (permalink)
mmalc MINI2 newcomer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bay Area, California Local Time: 12:47 PM Posts: 210 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by SiBradbury (original) THIS is what I was looking for originally, maybe you'll find the answers you're looking for here! K&N Air Filter Facts It's the oiling of the filter that is the vital bit, the cleaning process is a no-brainer. Ah, yes, that's very helpful, thank you. I didn't see (or at least didn't find) anything equally useful on K&N's own site, which is surprising... Hmm, immediately after writing the section below, I did actually find this (linked from here), which is almost the same article as the one you cite. So mea culpa, I overlooked it by going straight to the FAQ. The other thing that still at least seems absent from K&N's own site is the product itself. Is it only available in the UK? Using the search on the US site didn't return the Apollo; it's also not listed here. The UK site seemed to use the US search tool... mmalc

Mar 24th, 2007, 09:25 PM	#17 (permalink)
SiBradbury "I'm kind of a big deal" My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wirral Local Time: 08:47 PM Posts: 1,151 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by mmalc (original) Ah, yes, that's very helpful, thank you. I didn't see (or at least didn't find) anything equally useful on K&N's own site, which is surprising... Hmm, immediately after writing the section below, I did actually find this (linked from here), which is almost the same article as the one you cite. So mea culpa, I overlooked it by going straight to the FAQ. The other thing that still at least seems absent from K&N's own site is the product itself. Is it only available in the UK? Using the search on the US site didn't return the Apollo; it's also not listed here. The UK site seemed to use the US search tool... mmalc I think that is the old FAQ section that used to be on K&N's site. It certainly seems to answer the filtration question better than what's on the current site. I think K&N UK are maybe little frustrated that the Apollo isn't on the website yet which is why they are relying on the UK dealer networks to make customers aware of it at the moment, hence the email we received in work.

Mar 26th, 2007, 09:12 AM	#19 (permalink)
SiBradbury "I'm kind of a big deal" My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wirral Local Time: 08:47 PM Posts: 1,151 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by gramirez (original) Nice numbers! I found in k&n website this. The site list this adaptors: 70mm - 80mm part #85-6001. 70mm, part #85-6002, and 70mm - 60mm part #85-6003, Will any of this kits fit the MCS? or will we have to wait for the 6006 kit? Best regards! Memo The 6006 kit is already out so you won't have to wait!

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