MINI2

Keith · Sep 25th, 2002, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by macncheese
Keith,
I think you're misunderstanding what Im saying. Im not arguing that you wont feel a difference, or that there isnt a difference. There is!
Its my opinion that the gains are due to concepts/situations that arent reproducable on a dyno.

--
Cheese

But we know that switching the intake produces results measurable on a dyno so we know the dyno shows changes due to improved air flow. Changing an intake from beathing throgh a 1" hole to using a 2" hole is likely to have similar effects - it is all doing the same thing, i.e. improving air flow.

jmardy · Sep 25th, 2002, 02:17 PM

In looking at the design of the Rogue CAI, I wonder why air isn't taken from the area where the brake master cylinder is?
It seems like there would be a lot of cool, even possibly pressurized air coming in from the vents in front of the windshield.
Hey, who wants to start making a scoop to replace those vents that would shoot the air right into the Rogue CAI box?

Ben?

macncheese · Sep 25th, 2002, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Keith

But we know that switching the intake produces results measurable on a dyno so we know the dyno shows changes due to improved air flow. Changing an intake from beathing throgh a 1" hole to using a 2" hole is likely to have similar effects - it is all doing the same thing, i.e. improving air flow.

I dont remember anyone ever saying they produced measurable differences on a dyno. Was this on a different thread? Forgive my ignorance, I've been really busy/forgetful lately.

--
Cheese

macncheese · Sep 25th, 2002, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jmardy
In looking at the design of the Rogue CAI, I wonder why air isn't taken from the area where the brake master cylinder is?
It seems like there would be a lot of cool, even possibly pressurized air coming in from the vents in front of the windshield.
Hey, who wants to start making a scoop to replace those vents that would shoot the air right into the Rogue CAI box?

Ben?

--
Cheese

jmardy · Sep 25th, 2002, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by macncheese

--
Cheese

You're just glad I didn't say DYNO

MiniVa · Sep 25th, 2002, 06:34 PM

Jmardy, there was a ram air mod done a good while ago that has a scoop under the right front. Everyone said it was no good in the event you ran through a puddle. I think your idea is much better. I bet you could get a good more amount of Hp out of doing that have two 2" pipes going to an ice box. BMP are reading this?

minime s · Sep 25th, 2002, 07:28 PM

Do you know where that ram air mod post is ? I don't drive mine in bad weather........thanks

Keith · Sep 25th, 2002, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by macncheese

I dont remember anyone ever saying they produced measurable differences on a dyno. Was this on a different thread? Forgive my ignorance, I've been really busy/forgetful lately.

--
Cheese

Rogue Engineering are claiming a 9.3hp increase at the wheels with their intake and BMP is claiming a 12.9hp increase. This is consistent with minime s's exteriences on the track. My guess is that the Rogue setup is limited by the small diameter pipe bringing in the air and connecting it to the same source as BMP would give similar power. The hope is that a dyno run would show the extra 3.6hp - maybe more as the Rogue setup is brining in cold air and, after re-reading minime s's post, it sounds like the BMP is open at the back so gets warm air from the engine bay.

Disclaimer: these measurements were from different sources on different cars at different times and places so we don't really know what the real difference is!

minime s · Sep 25th, 2002, 09:26 PM

The BMP one is open in the back........It gets alot more air and is definitely making more power........next time we go to the track , I would be glad to show you the difference if anyone wants to go(we go to Englishtown , NJ)

macncheese · Sep 25th, 2002, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by minime s
The BMP one is open in the back........It gets alot more air and is definitely making more power........next time we go to the track , I would be glad to show you the difference if anyone wants to go(we go to Englishtown , NJ)

Can you email me next time you guys go? Are you going to be at the NYMMG/Rogue open house on saturday?

--
Cheese
cheese@alchemyeng.com

minime s · Sep 25th, 2002, 09:55 PM

Tell me more about Saturday.........

macncheese · Sep 25th, 2002, 11:20 PM

NYCMMG Meet No.2 Hosted by Rogue Engineering of HoHoKus, NJ.

This Saturday, September 28th from 10am - 2 pm.

Please join us for a casual get together with your fellow NYC
Metro Mini owners! Coffee and bagels will be served.

We will be raffling off two great gift certificates towards Rogue
products. In addition, Rogue is offering their MCS Cold Air Intakes
and stainless exhausts for both the Mini Cooper and Mini Cooper S with
free installs. If you are interested in either product, you will need
to call and setup an appointment at 201.444.8150.

Unfortunately Rogue stripe kit installs will not be offered due to the
2+ hours needed for a professional install. Rogue Engineering
representatives will be on hand to answer any questions regarding other
products as well.

And, to make things a bit more interesting, we will be having some
Informal RC car racing. Cruisin RC's, of Ramsey NJ, will be bringing
several RC cars, including some Minis to run at the Rogue lot. So if
you've got an RC, please bring it along!

For driving directions, please refer to http://www.rogueengineering.com

Hope to see you all there!

Sep 25th, 2002, 01:57 PM	#41
Keith MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SW Florida Local Time: 09:50 PM Posts: 683 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by macncheese Keith, I think you're misunderstanding what Im saying. Im not arguing that you wont feel a difference, or that there isnt a difference. There is! Its my opinion that the gains are due to concepts/situations that arent reproducable on a dyno. -- Cheese But we know that switching the intake produces results measurable on a dyno so we know the dyno shows changes due to improved air flow. Changing an intake from beathing throgh a 1" hole to using a 2" hole is likely to have similar effects - it is all doing the same thing, i.e. improving air flow. 2007 DS/W MCS LSD, sport suspension, Enkei RPM2 wheels 2002 EB/W MCS Sport package, Rogue intake, Borla exhaust, 15% pulley & Madness sway bar

Sep 25th, 2002, 02:17 PM	#42 (permalink)
jmardy MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Local Time: 02:50 PM Posts: 264 Offline	More cold air? In looking at the design of the Rogue CAI, I wonder why air isn't taken from the area where the brake master cylinder is? It seems like there would be a lot of cool, even possibly pressurized air coming in from the vents in front of the windshield. Hey, who wants to start making a scoop to replace those vents that would shoot the air right into the Rogue CAI box? Ben?

Sep 25th, 2002, 02:46 PM	#44 (permalink)
macncheese MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Jersey Local Time: 05:50 PM Posts: 1,212 Offline	Re: More cold air? Quote: Originally posted by jmardy In looking at the design of the Rogue CAI, I wonder why air isn't taken from the area where the brake master cylinder is? It seems like there would be a lot of cool, even possibly pressurized air coming in from the vents in front of the windshield. Hey, who wants to start making a scoop to replace those vents that would shoot the air right into the Rogue CAI box? Ben? -- Cheese

Sep 25th, 2002, 03:20 PM	#45 (permalink)
jmardy MINI2 Regular Join Date: Jun 2002 Local Time: 02:50 PM Posts: 264 Offline	Re: Re: More cold air? Quote: Originally posted by macncheese -- Cheese You're just glad I didn't say DYNO

Sep 25th, 2002, 06:34 PM	#46 (permalink)
MiniVa MINI2 Regular Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Northern Va. Local Time: 05:50 PM Posts: 105 Offline	Jmardy, there was a ram air mod done a good while ago that has a scoop under the right front. Everyone said it was no good in the event you ran through a puddle. I think your idea is much better. I bet you could get a good more amount of Hp out of doing that have two 2" pipes going to an ice box. BMP are reading this? 200HP Please

MINI2

Fuel for your MINI obsession

From air-filters to exhausts and all in between, discuss them here

Today
Sponsors	Sponsored Links Registered members do not see Google Ads posts, they can also post messages, pictures, and classified adverts. Register your free account today and become a member of MINI2 - MINI Forum

Sep 25th, 2002, 02:43 PM	#43 (permalink)
macncheese MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Jersey Local Time: 05:50 PM Posts: 1,212 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by Keith But we know that switching the intake produces results measurable on a dyno so we know the dyno shows changes due to improved air flow. Changing an intake from beathing throgh a 1" hole to using a 2" hole is likely to have similar effects - it is all doing the same thing, i.e. improving air flow. I dont remember anyone ever saying they produced measurable differences on a dyno. Was this on a different thread? Forgive my ignorance, I've been really busy/forgetful lately. -- Cheese

Sep 25th, 2002, 07:28 PM	#47 (permalink)
minime s M7SPEED SPONSORED MINI ! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dix Hills,New York Local Time: 05:50 PM Posts: 631 Offline	Do you know where that ram air mod post is ? I don't drive mine in bad weather........thanks 1/4 mile 13.07 @109mph...258 wheel horsepower, 03 cooper"S" Pure Silver,18" Kahn's,Aero Kit,Nitrous Express NOS kit(50 shot),Evotech Computer upgrade,ALTA intake,short shifter,Magnaflow exhaust,header,pulley upgrade,cam,H&R springs,quaife,MSD Coil a

Sep 25th, 2002, 07:56 PM	#48 (permalink)
Keith MINI2 Senior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SW Florida Local Time: 09:50 PM Posts: 683 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by macncheese I dont remember anyone ever saying they produced measurable differences on a dyno. Was this on a different thread? Forgive my ignorance, I've been really busy/forgetful lately. -- Cheese Rogue Engineering are claiming a 9.3hp increase at the wheels with their intake and BMP is claiming a 12.9hp increase. This is consistent with minime s's exteriences on the track. My guess is that the Rogue setup is limited by the small diameter pipe bringing in the air and connecting it to the same source as BMP would give similar power. The hope is that a dyno run would show the extra 3.6hp - maybe more as the Rogue setup is brining in cold air and, after re-reading minime s's post, it sounds like the BMP is open at the back so gets warm air from the engine bay. Disclaimer: these measurements were from different sources on different cars at different times and places so we don't really know what the real difference is! 2007 DS/W MCS LSD, sport suspension, Enkei RPM2 wheels 2002 EB/W MCS Sport package, Rogue intake, Borla exhaust, 15% pulley & Madness sway bar

Sep 25th, 2002, 09:26 PM	#49 (permalink)
minime s M7SPEED SPONSORED MINI ! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dix Hills,New York Local Time: 05:50 PM Posts: 631 Offline	The BMP one is open in the back........It gets alot more air and is definitely making more power........next time we go to the track , I would be glad to show you the difference if anyone wants to go(we go to Englishtown , NJ) 1/4 mile 13.07 @109mph...258 wheel horsepower, 03 cooper"S" Pure Silver,18" Kahn's,Aero Kit,Nitrous Express NOS kit(50 shot),Evotech Computer upgrade,ALTA intake,short shifter,Magnaflow exhaust,header,pulley upgrade,cam,H&R springs,quaife,MSD Coil a

Sep 25th, 2002, 09:53 PM	#50 (permalink)
macncheese MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Jersey Local Time: 05:50 PM Posts: 1,212 Offline	Quote: Originally posted by minime s The BMP one is open in the back........It gets alot more air and is definitely making more power........next time we go to the track , I would be glad to show you the difference if anyone wants to go(we go to Englishtown , NJ) Can you email me next time you guys go? Are you going to be at the NYMMG/Rogue open house on saturday? -- Cheese cheese@alchemyeng.com

Sep 25th, 2002, 09:55 PM	#51 (permalink)
minime s M7SPEED SPONSORED MINI ! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dix Hills,New York Local Time: 05:50 PM Posts: 631 Offline	Tell me more about Saturday......... 1/4 mile 13.07 @109mph...258 wheel horsepower, 03 cooper"S" Pure Silver,18" Kahn's,Aero Kit,Nitrous Express NOS kit(50 shot),Evotech Computer upgrade,ALTA intake,short shifter,Magnaflow exhaust,header,pulley upgrade,cam,H&R springs,quaife,MSD Coil a

Sep 25th, 2002, 11:20 PM	#52 (permalink)
macncheese MINI2 Master Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Jersey Local Time: 05:50 PM Posts: 1,212 Offline	NYCMMG Meet No.2 Hosted by Rogue Engineering of HoHoKus, NJ. This Saturday, September 28th from 10am - 2 pm. Please join us for a casual get together with your fellow NYC Metro Mini owners! Coffee and bagels will be served. We will be raffling off two great gift certificates towards Rogue products. In addition, Rogue is offering their MCS Cold Air Intakes and stainless exhausts for both the Mini Cooper and Mini Cooper S with free installs. If you are interested in either product, you will need to call and setup an appointment at 201.444.8150. Unfortunately Rogue stripe kit installs will not be offered due to the 2+ hours needed for a professional install. Rogue Engineering representatives will be on hand to answer any questions regarding other products as well. And, to make things a bit more interesting, we will be having some Informal RC car racing. Cruisin RC's, of Ramsey NJ, will be bringing several RC cars, including some Minis to run at the Rogue lot. So if you've got an RC, please bring it along! For driving directions, please refer to http://www.rogueengineering.com Hope to see you all there!

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Email this Page	Search this Thread: Advanced Search
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
rogue engineering air intake	nadimghrayeb	Engine & Drivetrain Tuning	2	Mar 30th, 2006 03:52 PM
Rogue Engineering & Dinan Cold Air Intakes	bc_seventy_six	Engine & Drivetrain Tuning	32	Oct 7th, 2004 07:17 PM
Rogue Engineering Cold Air filter	Billy Smart	Engine & Drivetrain Tuning	7	Jun 15th, 2004 01:52 PM