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ant1 · Jun 3rd, 2007, 07:19 PM

My car has already been rr at 249bhp on the standard intercooler. I couldn't tell you the mods except for the obvious, pulley, full exhaust, manifold, etc. All work carried out by ray at West Tuning.

Just orderd a Alta induction kit, but i have a opportunity to purchase a brand new Forge intercooler for £260 delivered. Would there be any beneficial gains through me fitting this?

Ant FR · Jun 3rd, 2007, 07:33 PM

wanna share with us how you can get it for £260

Damo · Jun 3rd, 2007, 07:39 PM

249 with a standard intercooler

alski · Jun 3rd, 2007, 07:40 PM

no idea on the figures, but i have one on my gtt 220+ and it is an good improvement over OEM
you might want to think about new bellows/snoot boots as well

ant1 · Jun 3rd, 2007, 07:42 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Ant FR (original)

wanna share with us how you can get it for £260

It's a one off, i will tell you wants the deal is sealed

ant1 · Jun 3rd, 2007, 07:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Damo (original)

249 with a standard intercooler

Your telling me

Do ou think i will see any gains when these 2 extras have been fitted?

Here is the dyno sheet, going to be rr again at west tuning on wednesday.

Damo · Jun 3rd, 2007, 07:58 PM

Its not that you'll gain power, but you'll lose less. Very shocked at that power, suually people have upgraded their intercooler before getting that power.

I know of one car at a reliable 255 (by reliable i mean its not going to blow it based on whats been done to it) and he'd running a charge cooler.

ant1 · Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:04 PM

Hmmm, hopefully Ray and shed some light when i see him as he worked on it. Also this was converted in july 2004 when perhaps there where not many options for ICs at that time?

Damo · Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:11 PM

Preety sure the GRS one has been around since then.

ScottyBoy · Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:46 PM

As said you will loose less with this, but would you care to explain what MODS you have for that power please...

Scott

ant1 · Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ScottyBoy230 (original)

As said you will loose less with this, but would you care to explain what MODS you have for that power please...

Scott

That's what i am hoping to find out on wednesday. Orignally the car only had the works pack fitted but i also have a 5k receipt from west tuning. 1k brembo brakes, 1k alloys, £500 suspension mods, 2.5k engine work. But there is no break down of components.

Just ordered and payed for the IC so i might rebook with ray once fitted. I will drop him a call tomorrow for advice.

alski · Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:59 PM

no mention of air, via induction or intercooler on west tuning site?
looks like you have a stage 4/5 kit,
would enquire about bigger injectors as well,

ant1 · Jun 3rd, 2007, 09:03 PM

It's really quick for a mini. My previous car was a E39 M5 and before that, evos. Performance wise, once rolling say 10mph to 120mph there is very little difference in peformance between the 3.

1320autos · Jun 3rd, 2007, 09:37 PM

I know we made 197at the wheels and 235 at the flywheel with a stock intercooler ecu so 249 would be possible with headwork and tuning.

The IC will help you out no end the Alta will but not as much as the IC, are you running a standard airbox with a panel filter at the moment?

Is the lower line wheel horsepower???

GRSmotorsport · Jun 3rd, 2007, 10:03 PM

I'm still running a standard air box, with a K/N panel filter with 256bhp, but am considering a new air filter

ant1 · Jun 3rd, 2007, 10:25 PM

I don't know if the lower line is the wheels figuire or the torque.

Using the standard box with uprgaded panel filter.

1320autos · Jun 3rd, 2007, 10:41 PM

It cant be torque because they should cross over at 5250 or equal the same number.

Maybe its the pre modification dyno as if it was wheel it would follow the upper line but its a lot more smoother.

Congrats to u both for making that horsepower with the std air box

Ant FR · Jun 4th, 2007, 11:48 AM

so now the deals done, spill the beans, as i want an intercooler. but as Mick hucknal once sang, money IS too tight to mention.

Come on

ant1 · Jun 4th, 2007, 05:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Ant FR (original)

so now the deals done, spill the beans, as i want an intercooler. but as Mick hucknal once sang, money IS too tight to mention.

Come on

Sorry buddy, lilke i said, it was a one off.

roland2003 · Jun 6th, 2007, 07:32 AM

-That lower line is a BHP one too (about 183 by my wobbly rular). Im thinking the lower line is @ the wheels? If that is the case that would mean Rays added 37% to the wheels figure ( or 27% losses taken off the flywheel figure).
Ray told me at a Rolling road day he allows for 25% losses on FWD cars to calculate his 'flywheel' figure from his wheels figure . (his words to me).
I've also seen some other plots hes done where the torque and power didnt cross over at 5250rpm (they should) so something would appear to be amiss there too.

Best Regards Roland GTT

Jun 3rd, 2007, 07:19 PM	#1
ant1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2006 Local Time: 10:57 PM Posts: 45 Offline	Forge intercooler? My car has already been rr at 249bhp on the standard intercooler. I couldn't tell you the mods except for the obvious, pulley, full exhaust, manifold, etc. All work carried out by ray at West Tuning. Just orderd a Alta induction kit, but i have a opportunity to purchase a brand new Forge intercooler for £260 delivered. Would there be any beneficial gains through me fitting this?

Jun 3rd, 2007, 07:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
alski dyno-mite, might not.... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: banbury Local Time: 11:57 PM Posts: 954 Offline	no idea on the figures, but i have one on my gtt 220+ and it is an good improvement over OEM you might want to think about new bellows/snoot boots as well Attached Thumbnails carefree

Jun 3rd, 2007, 07:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
ant1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2006 Local Time: 10:57 PM Posts: 45 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Damo (original) 249 with a standard intercooler Your telling me Do ou think i will see any gains when these 2 extras have been fitted? Here is the dyno sheet, going to be rr again at west tuning on wednesday. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by ant1 : Jun 3rd, 2007 at 08:58 PM.

Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
alski dyno-mite, might not.... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: banbury Local Time: 11:57 PM Posts: 954 Offline	no mention of air, via induction or intercooler on west tuning site? looks like you have a stage 4/5 kit, would enquire about bigger injectors as well, carefree

Jun 3rd, 2007, 09:03 PM	#13 (permalink)
ant1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2006 Local Time: 10:57 PM Posts: 45 Offline	It's really quick for a mini. My previous car was a E39 M5 and before that, evos. Performance wise, once rolling say 10mph to 120mph there is very little difference in peformance between the 3. Last edited by DaFlake : Jun 4th, 2007 at 11:57 AM. Reason: Bypassing swear filter.

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Jun 3rd, 2007, 07:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ant FR MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Local Time: 11:57 PM Posts: 1,893 Online	wanna share with us how you can get it for £260

Jun 3rd, 2007, 07:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
Damo MINI2fosi My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 11:57 PM Posts: 10,652 Offline	249 with a standard intercooler

Jun 3rd, 2007, 07:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
ant1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2006 Local Time: 10:57 PM Posts: 45 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Ant FR (original) wanna share with us how you can get it for £260 It's a one off, i will tell you wants the deal is sealed

Jun 3rd, 2007, 07:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
Damo MINI2fosi My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 11:57 PM Posts: 10,652 Offline	Its not that you'll gain power, but you'll lose less. Very shocked at that power, suually people have upgraded their intercooler before getting that power. I know of one car at a reliable 255 (by reliable i mean its not going to blow it based on whats been done to it) and he'd running a charge cooler.

Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
ant1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2006 Local Time: 10:57 PM Posts: 45 Offline	Hmmm, hopefully Ray and shed some light when i see him as he worked on it. Also this was converted in july 2004 when perhaps there where not many options for ICs at that time?

Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
Damo MINI2fosi My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: MINItorque.com Local Time: 11:57 PM Posts: 10,652 Offline	Preety sure the GRS one has been around since then.

Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
ScottyBoy Obsessive Car Cleaner OCC My Classifieds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Thornaby NE Local Time: 11:57 PM Posts: 2,874 Offline	As said you will loose less with this, but would you care to explain what MODS you have for that power please... Scott

Jun 3rd, 2007, 08:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
ant1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2006 Local Time: 10:57 PM Posts: 45 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by ScottyBoy230 (original) As said you will loose less with this, but would you care to explain what MODS you have for that power please... Scott That's what i am hoping to find out on wednesday. Orignally the car only had the works pack fitted but i also have a 5k receipt from west tuning. 1k brembo brakes, 1k alloys, £500 suspension mods, 2.5k engine work. But there is no break down of components. Just ordered and payed for the IC so i might rebook with ray once fitted. I will drop him a call tomorrow for advice.

Jun 3rd, 2007, 09:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
1320autos MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Beds Cambs Northants Local Time: 11:57 PM Posts: 1,928 Offline	I know we made 197at the wheels and 235 at the flywheel with a stock intercooler ecu so 249 would be possible with headwork and tuning. The IC will help you out no end the Alta will but not as much as the IC, are you running a standard airbox with a panel filter at the moment? Is the lower line wheel horsepower??? Slicks 11.77@115.92mph Street tyres 12.162 @ 119.02 IT'S NOT HOW MUCH YOU SPEND BUT HOW WELL YOU SPEND IT

Jun 3rd, 2007, 10:03 PM	#15 (permalink)
GRSmotorsport MINI2 Senior My Classifieds Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Yeovil Local Time: 11:57 PM Posts: 680 Offline	I'm still running a standard air box, with a K/N panel filter with 256bhp, but am considering a new air filter Graham

Jun 3rd, 2007, 10:25 PM	#16 (permalink)
ant1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2006 Local Time: 10:57 PM Posts: 45 Offline	I don't know if the lower line is the wheels figuire or the torque. Using the standard box with uprgaded panel filter.

Jun 3rd, 2007, 10:41 PM	#17 (permalink)
1320autos MINI2 Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Beds Cambs Northants Local Time: 11:57 PM Posts: 1,928 Offline	It cant be torque because they should cross over at 5250 or equal the same number. Maybe its the pre modification dyno as if it was wheel it would follow the upper line but its a lot more smoother. Congrats to u both for making that horsepower with the std air box Slicks 11.77@115.92mph Street tyres 12.162 @ 119.02 IT'S NOT HOW MUCH YOU SPEND BUT HOW WELL YOU SPEND IT

Jun 4th, 2007, 11:48 AM	#18 (permalink)
Ant FR MINI2 Master My Classifieds Join Date: Oct 2006 Local Time: 11:57 PM Posts: 1,893 Online	so now the deals done, spill the beans, as i want an intercooler. but as Mick hucknal once sang, money IS too tight to mention. Come on

Jun 4th, 2007, 05:14 PM	#19 (permalink)
ant1 MINI2 Regular Join Date: Mar 2006 Local Time: 10:57 PM Posts: 45 Offline	Quote: Originally Posted by Ant FR (original) so now the deals done, spill the beans, as i want an intercooler. but as Mick hucknal once sang, money IS too tight to mention. Come on Sorry buddy, lilke i said, it was a one off.

Jun 6th, 2007, 07:32 AM	#20 (permalink)
roland2003 MINI 2 Sponsor GT Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Local Time: 11:57 PM Posts: 2,736 Offline	-That lower line is a BHP one too (about 183 by my wobbly rular). Im thinking the lower line is @ the wheels? If that is the case that would mean Rays added 37% to the wheels figure ( or 27% losses taken off the flywheel figure). Ray told me at a Rolling road day he allows for 25% losses on FWD cars to calculate his 'flywheel' figure from his wheels figure . (his words to me). I've also seen some other plots hes done where the torque and power didnt cross over at 5250rpm (they should) so something would appear to be amiss there too. Best Regards Roland GTT www.gttuning.com

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