[Ruskins JCW]

What is the loudest mainfold?????

[chrisflyer]

The John Cooper works franchise is owned by BMW the John Cooper Motorsport section is not.
It is a totally different entity .
You say the motorsport section is subsidised. Please could you let me know by who as this could be very usefull information.

Any responce to my welding remarks

[BRMCooper]

if your after BHP the standard system has proven its self twice over! put the money in to losing weight or other performance mods, if its sound then pop along to a show or local meet and have a listen to what other people have, aint no better way to make the desicion your self

[GTT 280]

Quote: Originally Posted by Chilli21 (original)

GTT i saw your Cooper S at the MINI Cooper day, it didnt make much noise at low revs infact i didnt even hear it drive up behind me!! lol does it get louder when driven faster? as i was after a manifold that doesent make it too boomey or noisey.

Wait a minute - who was driving my car? It was supposed to be at the GTT garage????????



My zorst is certainly louder than OEM. Are you sure it was my car?

Cheers,
K.

[roland2003]

Hi,TIG welding penetrates the full depth of the two pieces of metal you are joining. MIG on the other hand doesnt ,it just relies on a large mass of metal added to the surface. If you like, 'TIG is your polysterene cement' you used on your airfix models where it melts the two bits your joining, and MIG is your hot glue gun....
Even if things are covered by warrantys its still a major inconvenience if things break .....better to make things as best they can be in the first place.
Even the removable cat on the GTT item is more convenient should it ever need replacing.

Regarding Cat Backs ,yes stock system with GTT ReRoute takes a lot of beating. In our tests only the Miltek just pipped it (4 times the price though). And the JCW came out worse than stock.
Best Regards Roland GTT

[chrisflyer]

Hi,

Over the last six months I have been saving up for a manifold for my JCW S and after reading article after article I have come to this conclusion.
There are quite a lot of manifolds out there,
The first thing you have to decide is wether you want a 4-2-1 or a 4-1 manifold and trying to compare the two is wrong because each were designed to achieve deferent results.
After making this decision you then move on to make.
The 4-2-1 made by john Cooper ,is as people say a nice piece of kit, but expensive.
The 4-1 made by GTT is I believe the best 4-1 on the market and as so many of Roland's products was designed to out perform the other 4-1 on the market.
So in conclusion it really comes down to your own preferences on were you want the extra grunt in the rev range and what mods you have or are considering.

[s33gav]

Quote: Originally Posted by chrisflyer (original)

Hi,

Over the last six months I have been saving up for a manifold for my JCW S and after reading article after article I have come to this conclusion.
There are quite a lot of manifolds out there,
The first thing you have to decide is wether you want a 4-2-1 or a 4-1 manifold and trying to compare the two is wrong because each were designed to achieve deferent results.
After making this decision you then move on to make.
The 4-2-1 made by john Cooper ,is as people say a nice piece of kit, but expensive.
The 4-1 made by GTT is I believe the best 4-1 on the market and as so many of Roland's products was designed to out perform the other 4-1 on the market.
So in conclusion it really comes down to your own preferences on were you want the extra grunt in the rev range and what mods you have or are considering.

Well are you going to jump off the fence and let us know your choice then?

[futureal33]

I was in exactly the same boat as you mate, I had saved up for about 4 months for a manifold and had about 4 or 5 choices. 2 of these choices invloved importing manifolds from USA and Japan which still worked out cheaper than some UK companies.
I did so much reading up on the subject, browsing forums, listening to sound clips, comparing dynos etc and learned quite a lot of interesting stuff which helped in my final decision. Unfortauntely at the end of the day, money was a major factor in my decision and I simply couldn't afford to get the one Manifold I wanted the most (the MTH Manifold) as you cant get hold of it in the UK and it was looking pretty expensive to import it in
In the end I ended up going for the Janspeed manifold (de-cat) with out the CAT section. This worked out at just over £300 and then got it fitted locally for £40. The sound is just unbelieveable, when I first started it up I was god smacked at how good it sounded.

Research will show you that Janspeed infact make manifolds for quite a few of the other brands out there (MTH/GTT and probably some more, just with slghtly different designs) I personally couldnt justify the extra £ for pretty much the same pipework with perhaps different welding or slightly thinner headplates to reduce weight, at the end of the day I spent what I feel was an affordable sum of money and I couldnt be happer with my decision, everytime I drive the car i get a huge grin on my face.

Performance wise it was a big step up in torque throughout the rev range as well but for me, sound was my main concern and boy how it has been fulfilled....
I did a review on it a few months back im sure searching will find it

[*Vikki*]

Quote: Originally Posted by GTT 260 (original)

Wait a minute - who was driving my car? It was supposed to be at the GTT garage????????



My zorst is certainly louder than OEM. Are you sure it was my car?

Cheers,
K.

I have only just realised you arnt the GTT man LOL i thought you were the GTT guy how you are talking.

[*Vikki*]

Quote: Originally Posted by GTT 260 (original)

Wait a minute - who was driving my car? It was supposed to be at the GTT garage????????



My zorst is certainly louder than OEM. Are you sure it was my car?

Cheers,
K.

lol just realised you are not GTT, i thought you was how you were talking and with your user name.

[*Vikki*]

Quote: Originally Posted by GTT 260 (original)

Wait a minute - who was driving my car? It was supposed to be at the GTT garage????????



My zorst is certainly louder than OEM. Are you sure it was my car?

Cheers,
K.

lol just realised you are not GTT, i thought you was how you were talking and with your user name.

[GTT 280]

...any reason you provided your response in triplicate? ....but this does appear to conclude it was not my car you saw/heard. You'd certainly know if it was my car

Your are quite right though, "roland2003" is your man, I'm just a customer of the brand - but you do feel you learn a lot from Roland, he does explain things to you instead of just 'fitting' the item, which i think is excellent. It is certainly part of the enthusiam he has for designing, manufacturing and fitting the components.

Cheers,
K.

[chrisflyer]

OK,

I will get of the fence.
My preference is to have the manifold that gives a better increase through the hole rev range. So I would opt for the 4-2-1. But as like many people the cost is a bigger issue than I would like it to be. So I will only go this route if I can negotiate a good price, If not I will; be going like so many people to Roland at GTT. Either way I know i will be getting one jaw dropping,head turning hell of a sounding car.

[GTT 280]

whole, not hole. Off not of.



btw - my 4-1 GTT manifold gives one hell of a increase of power through the rev range. something in never really had with the 4-2-1 manifold. Albeit without the other mods, but still, in tests completed by the man himself the jcw manifold did not bode well.

Cheers,
K.

[Aberdeen Al]

Quote: Originally Posted by GTT 270 (original)

whole, not hole. Off not of.



btw - my 4-1 GTT manifold gives one hell of a increase of power through the rev range. something in never really had with the 4-2-1 manifold. Albeit without the other mods, but still, in tests completed by the man himself the jcw manifold did not bode well.

Cheers,
K.

I found a hell of a difference with my GTT manifold.........................unfortunately I have the JCW exhaust which probably isn't the best to get the most from the manifold!

[*Vikki*]

Quote: Originally Posted by GTT 270 (original)

...any reason you provided your response in triplicate? ....but this does appear to conclude it was not my car you saw/heard. You'd certainly know if it was my car

Your are quite right though, "roland2003" is your man, I'm just a customer of the brand - but you do feel you learn a lot from Roland, he does explain things to you instead of just 'fitting' the item, which i think is excellent. It is certainly part of the enthusiam he has for designing, manufacturing and fitting the components.

Cheers,
K.

The site was playing up for me at the time and i cannot seam to deleate the posts now. Yea i am not saying anything that he dosent am i? just you seam to talk like you are Roland knowing everything so i thought it was roland

[GTT 280]

Quote: Originally Posted by Chilli21 (original)

The site was playing up for me at the time and i cannot seam to deleate the posts now. Yea i am not saying anything that he dosent am i? just you seam to talk like you are Roland knowing everything so i thought it was roland

Nope, defintely not Roland here. I'm a 6ft 5 mancunian skin head !!!

I suppose i may be able to comment on many things GTT simply because i have had nearly every GTT part fitted to my car. By no means do i try to think i know as much as Roland when it comes to tuning, i simply don't. But he does explain things very well, i suppose i just remember them. I really appreciate each and every modification and i take the time to try and understand what each one offers in the way of performance and functionality - as should every modified car owner.

...but that is how you learn new things isn't it ?

Cheers,
Karl.

[chrisflyer]

Hi

Thanks for the spelling lesson. I am dyslexic so I am sorry if that was a problem for you to read.
I understand you being bi-est towards GTT are you on a retainer.
I on the other are neither one way or the other and am a little skeptical of the comments made by some manufactures referring to others parts.
In one case I found it a little strange if not hard to believe for some one to have spent in the region of £900 on a JCM manifold to then go and have it replaced.

[Ruskins JCW]

This mini sounds fantastic, you can here it after its well out the shot

YouTube - Milltek Exhaust and Janspeed Manifold...

[futureal33]

Thats mine

Janspeed manifold (de cat) and Milltek cat-back - awesome combination